[News] 2016: Mock Draft Monitor 4.0

[eze17]

  2 hours ago, b93333 said:

Bosa or Buckner would fit the best player available formula... Bosa more of a position of need as well. A tougher question is if all of the top defensive players are gone by the time we get on the board? Can't see a LT just to create more dead money by dumping Monroe.

If we go LT , I think he will actually play LG for a year. Monroe has vowed to come back strong and healthy this year. When he plays, he plays decent, probably not ranked as one of the top 15 Left Tackles, but passable.
Looking at our current roster, we are definitely adding some help in this draft and maybe even find someone in the June 1st cuts.

Rumors circling, have us looking at Cleveland's Thomas and Denver's Clady. This could be just predraft smoke too!

I've also heard Ferguson from the Jet's name mentioned...The only way I see any of these guys would be if they were cut - we're not going to trade draft picks, and eat alot of salary - and I don't see the Brown's trading in the division in any case. My guess is we stay with Monroe, who is decent when healthy, and draft a tackle. What round would be anyone's guess, but I do think we pick one somewhere.

[evass#ravensnation]

I now what's gonna happen I came here from the future ! Ravens trade with Eagles from 6 to 8 . Eagles pick Goff / Ravens get VH3

[TheConquerorWorm]

3 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Honestly, the only guy I would be upset with would be Stanley. I just don't believe he is a Top 10 player. He is merely rated high because his position is in such high demand.

That's not true. Stanley is the complete package at LT - size, long arms, athleticism and great footwork (something Tunsil doesn't have). I think Tunsil & Stanley are 1A & 1B - it's all on the type of LT you want. Stanley is a D'Brickashaw Ferguson/Jake Matthews/Tyron Smith type LT where Tunsil is more of a Trent Williams/Greg Robinson/Cordy Glenn type.

Stanley is a MUCH better pass protector (elite level) and has shown he can handle 1-on-1 speed rushers. Tunsil - not so much (Ole Miss runs a read zone/option offense). If I were running a read option offense, no question you want Tunsil. If I'm running a west coast offense, I'd rather have Stanley.

Edited March 31, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[bioLarzen]

To be honest, any of these guys could end up being busts and on the Ring of Honor - and anywhere in between... Whichever of these guys (or anyone else) we end up picking, will be a promising guy.

[bioLarzen]

I now what's gonna happen I came here from the future ! Ravens trade with Eagles from 6 to 8 . Eagles pick Goff / Ravens get VH3

I have a dream scenario where the 49ers and the Rams or the Eagles get in a minor bidding war for our #6 pick, which eventuelly the 49ers are gonna get, picking Wentz or Goff, leaving the guy we would have picked at #6 on the board for us to take, plus two more picks (their 4th and 6th round picks would roughly be fair according the TVC - maybe even more if they really have to compete with the Rams)...

Too good to actually happen, but hey :)

[bigcatfrank1]

I'm surprised to see all of the anti-Stanley remarks. I would see the Ravens taking Stanley (keeping Monroe) and having him begin at OT on 2nd squad. Then moving him to LT next year or even sooner. Bischiotti seemed to have made it very clear that they were committed to Monroe this year and after selling short on KO, I'd say that is obvious. Stanley is a beast, I think he could boost the Ravens long term more than any player in the draft besides Tunsil (and he goes #1). Again, no one knows, but long term is where its it. Sure, I agree Ramsey, Jack, Bosa or Buckner if available at 6 would be awesome picks, all start for the Ravens and could be immediate impact players...but do they actually boost the Ravens long term at their position more than Stanley if reaching all expectations. Its all a roll of the dice... Go OZ, its good to be the Wizard.

[throwback2000]

I hate change! Stop changing the format!

[757RavensFan]

29 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

I'm surprised to see all of the anti-Stanley remarks. I would see the Ravens taking Stanley (keeping Monroe) and having him begin at OT on 2nd squad. Then moving him to LT next year or even sooner. Bischiotti seemed to have made it very clear that they were committed to Monroe this year and after selling short on KO, I'd say that is obvious. Stanley is a beast, I think he could boost the Ravens long term more than any player in the draft besides Tunsil (and he goes #1). Again, no one knows, but long term is where its it. Sure, I agree Ramsey, Jack, Bosa or Buckner if available at 6 would be awesome picks, all start for the Ravens and could be immediate impact players...but do they actually boost the Ravens long term at their position more than Stanley if reaching all expectations. Its all a roll of the dice... Go OZ, its good to be the Wizard.

 Probably b/c Stanley's stock has fallen since the combine. Some analyst say if the Ravens don't pick him he could fall to the mid to high teens. 

[Moderator 3]

5 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

I notice a little bit of a design change to the site. It looks nice.

 

41 minutes ago, throwback2000 said:

I hate change! Stop changing the format!

 

Can't please everyone I guess. 

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

2 hours ago, evass#ravensnation said:

I now what's gonna happen I came here from the future ! Ravens trade with Eagles from 6 to 8 . Eagles pick Goff / Ravens get VH3

I have a dream scenario where the 49ers and the Rams or the Eagles get in a minor bidding war for our #6 pick, which eventuelly the 49ers are gonna get, picking Wentz or Goff, leaving the guy we would have picked at #6 on the board for us to take, plus two more picks (their 4th and 6th round picks would roughly be fair according the TVC - maybe even more if they really have to compete with the Rams)...

Too good to actually happen, but hey

I am totally with you.

Edited April 1, 2016 by ravensnj

[ravensnj]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  4 hours ago, evass#ravensnation said:

I now what's gonna happen I came here from the future ! Ravens trade with Eagles from 6 to 8 . Eagles pick Goff / Ravens get VH3

I have a dream scenario where the 49ers and the Rams or the Eagles get in a minor bidding war for our #6 pick, which eventuelly the 49ers are gonna get, picking Wentz or Goff, leaving the guy we would have picked at #6 on the board for us to take, plus two more picks (their 4th and 6th round picks would roughly be fair according the TVC - maybe even more if they really have to compete with the Rams)...

Too good to actually happen, but hey :)

I am total with you.

Then the Rams and Eagles having a biding war for our new pick #7, lol

[jravens1313]

5 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true. Stanley is the complete package at LT - size, long arms, athleticism and great footwork (something Tunsil doesn't have). I think Tunsil & Stanley are 1A & 1B - it's all on the type of LT you want. Stanley is a D'Brickashaw Ferguson/Jake Matthews/Tyron Smith type LT where Tunsil is more of a Trent Williams/Greg Robinson/Cordy Glenn type.

Stanley is a MUCH better pass protector (elite level) and has shown he can handle 1-on-1 speed rushers. Tunsil - not so much (Ole Miss runs a read zone/option offense). If I were running a read option offense, no question you want Tunsil. If I'm running a west coast offense, I'd rather have Stanley.

Did you just say Tunsil doesn't have great footwork? Tunsil is a freak athlete, and his technique, footwork, and quickness are 2nd to none. Stanley's weakness is his quickness, agility, and footwork. Stanley is a long arm, heavy hands, mauler. I think he is more suited to be a great RT, but I don't believe he is Top 10 worthy and will struggle with the top edge rushers. 

[Maryland]

Well at least everyone is mocking us an OK pick nowadays instead of reaching for need on Stanley.

[JimmyBlack]

11 hours ago, n#7 said:

I guess Jack would be a good fall back player but his knee has more than a few scouts concerned. With the drafting of Perriman last year the Ravens can ill afford to have another 1st rounder sit out for an extended period of time because of a bum knee.

I sure hope that Perriman is able to play this year.  I don't care who the Ravens pick at number 6 just as long as we don't trade down.  It would be a crime to miss out on their highest pick since 2000.  Let's see how it turns out at the end of the month.

[harfordravenfan]

8 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Did you just say Tunsil doesn't have great footwork? Tunsil is a freak athlete, and his technique, footwork, and quickness are 2nd to none. Stanley's weakness is his quickness, agility, and footwork. Stanley is a long arm, heavy hands, mauler. I think he is more suited to be a great RT, but I don't believe he is Top 10 worthy and will struggle with the top edge rushers. 

IMO, tunsil is hands down the best Lt in the draft but from what I heard, Stanley is a great pass protector but not a great road grader. I wouldn't be calling him a mauler but do think he'll do well once he packs on some muscle

[usmccharles]

One thing I don't see mentioned much, with Buckner's long arms and big height, I could see him becoming a very good ball deflector

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

One thing I don't see mentioned much, with Buckner's long arms and big height, I could see him becoming a very good ball deflector

He definitely has the tools to block passes... That's a pretty big guy there

[usmccharles]

Where exactly would Buckner line up for us

[stixfix69]

I really like Lawson as he can play as a stand-up OLBer or with his hand in the dirt....His size i perfect for our 3-4, could be our next Suggs or Doom in a year or two, but could make impact now as well imo....So i would have no problem trading down a few spots to get him, and extra picks....He could solve 2 position as a DE,or OLBer, then we can look into getting ILBer help, and LT.....

[ludy51]

32 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Where exactly would Buckner line up for us

everywhere

[bigcatfrank1]

  On 3/31/2016 at 3:29 PM, jravens1313 said:

I notice a little bit of a design change to the site. It looks nice.

 

  20 hours ago, throwback2000 said:

I hate change! Stop changing the format!

 

Can't please everyone I guess. 

They all want to get a piece of me! lol

[bigcatfrank1]

  21 hours ago, evass#ravensnation said:

I now what's gonna happen I came here from the future ! Ravens trade with Eagles from 6 to 8 . Eagles pick Goff / Ravens get VH3

I have a dream scenario where the 49ers and the Rams or the Eagles get in a minor bidding war for our #6 pick, which eventuelly the 49ers are gonna get, picking Wentz or Goff, leaving the guy we would have picked at #6 on the board for us to take, plus two more picks (their 4th and 6th round picks would roughly be fair according the TVC - maybe even more if they really have to compete with the Rams)...

Too good to actually happen, but hey :)

Eagles are happy at #8 what would really screw them up is if we took Lawson! at #6

[balfan23]

14 hours ago, Maryland said:

Well at least everyone is mocking us an OK pick nowadays instead of reaching for need on Stanley.

Doesn't that seem odd? I'm wondering what has changed since the previous round of mocks that have pundits shifting away from Stanley. All I can see is that the Browns are now less likely to take a QB and will likely take a defender, which should further thin the possible defensive candidates who will fall to us. 

Could they be swayed by Bisciotti saying that Monroe is our LT? I can't imagine that is it. I firmly believe that Stanley is going to be somewhere around 9th on our list. IMO, if the scenario occurs where we see Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa and Jack go in front of us, we'll be taking Lawson (with VH3 as an outside chance).  

[TheConquerorWorm]

20 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

On 3/31/2016 at 6:36 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

That's not true. Stanley is the complete package at LT - size, long arms, athleticism and great footwork (something Tunsil doesn't have). I think Tunsil & Stanley are 1A & 1B - it's all on the type of LT you want. Stanley is a D'Brickashaw Ferguson/Jake Matthews/Tyron Smith type LT where Tunsil is more of a Trent Williams/Greg Robinson/Cordy Glenn type.

Stanley is a MUCH better pass protector (elite level) and has shown he can handle 1-on-1 speed rushers. Tunsil - not so much (Ole Miss runs a read zone/option offense). If I were running a read option offense, no question you want Tunsil. If I'm running a west coast offense, I'd rather have Stanley.

Did you just say Tunsil doesn't have great footwork? Tunsil is a freak athlete, and his technique, footwork, and quickness are 2nd to none. Stanley's weakness is his quickness, agility, and footwork. Stanley is a long arm, heavy hands, mauler. I think he is more suited to be a great RT, but I don't believe he is Top 10 worthy and will struggle with the top edge rushers. 

I think you got that backwards...Stanley is a footwork/technique LT and Tunsil is the road grader. Ole Miss runs the read option - not much drop back passing. Notre Dame runs a pro-style offense with complicated blocking schemes and Stanley was constantly matched up against the best pass rushers in the draft (Bosa, Lawson, etc.) - and he shut them down. I'm not saying that Tunsil has bad footwork, I just think that Stanley is much better in the passing game.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/28/11184656/2016-nfl-draft-breakdown-ronnie-stanley-notre-dame-laremy-tunsil

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/1/9827702/ronnie-stanley-laremy-tunsil-scouting-report-offensive-line-tackle-eagles

http://thebaltimorewire.com/2015/12/27/baltimore-ravens-draft-debate-tunsil-stanley/

To me, this is the same as Greg Robinson (Tunsil) vs Jake Matthews (Stanley).

I think that Tunsil goes #1 to the Titans and Stanley goes #3 to the Chargers. I would love for Stanley to be there at #6 for the Ravens. You mean to tell me you wouldn't want Jake Matthews at LT?

Edited April 2, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm
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[jravens1313]

40 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

I think you got that backwards...Stanley is a footwork/technique LT and Tunsil is the road grader. Ole Miss runs the read option - not much drop back passing. Notre Dame runs a pro-style offense with complicated blocking schemes and Stanley was constantly matched up against the best pass rushers in the draft (Bosa, Lawson, etc.) - and he shut them down. I'm not saying that Tunsil has bad footwork, I just think that Stanley is much better in the passing game.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/28/11184656/2016-nfl-draft-breakdown-ronnie-stanley-notre-dame-laremy-tunsil

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/1/9827702/ronnie-stanley-laremy-tunsil-scouting-report-offensive-line-tackle-eagles

http://thebaltimorewire.com/2015/12/27/baltimore-ravens-draft-debate-tunsil-stanley/

To me, this is the same as Greg Robinson (Tunsil) vs Jake Matthews (Stanley).

I think that Tunsil goes #1 to the Titans and Stanley goes #3 to the Chargers. I would love for Stanley to be there at #6 for the Ravens. You mean to tell me you wouldn't want Jake Matthews at LT?

Fair enough. I would rather see him get snatched up and let the defensive talent fall to us. 

[TheConquerorWorm]

  58 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

I think you got that backwards...Stanley is a footwork/technique LT and Tunsil is the road grader. Ole Miss runs the read option - not much drop back passing. Notre Dame runs a pro-style offense with complicated blocking schemes and Stanley was constantly matched up against the best pass rushers in the draft (Bosa, Lawson, etc.) - and he shut them down. I'm not saying that Tunsil has bad footwork, I just think that Stanley is much better in the passing game.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/28/11184656/2016-nfl-draft-breakdown-ronnie-stanley-notre-dame-laremy-tunsil

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/1/9827702/ronnie-stanley-laremy-tunsil-scouting-report-offensive-line-tackle-eagles

http://thebaltimorewire.com/2015/12/27/baltimore-ravens-draft-debate-tunsil-stanley/

To me, this is the same as Greg Robinson (Tunsil) vs Jake Matthews (Stanley).

I think that Tunsil goes #1 to the Titans and Stanley goes #3 to the Chargers. I would love for Stanley to be there at #6 for the Ravens. You mean to tell me you wouldn't want Jake Matthews at LT?

Fair enough. I would rather see him get snatched up and let the defensive talent fall to us. 

I still see Ramsey falling to us. Just can't see another team taking him. SD needs OL & Pass Rusher. Dallas needs DL & Pass rusher. Jax needs DL & LB help badly. To take a safety in the Top 5 would be almost unheard of. (Yes, he has the talent to play CB but has yet to play there full-time - that's a big gamble for a Top 5 pick)

I see it as:

1. Tunsil
2. Wentz
3. Stanley/Buckner
4. Bosa/Buckner
5. Jack/Buckner
6. Which will leave either Bosa/Buckner, Jack or Ramsey for us.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I just hope most of this draft we land defensive players.

[law215]

LB Myles Jack, UCLA
Junior; 6-1, 245; 3 games; 15 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 interception . How does this translate to top 5 IMO. (0 sacks, 1 int). Scout love his athleticism, but where's the production? 13 games 2013 1 sack, 13 games 2014 0 sacks. I don't see it. IMO. Bosa, Buckner, Stanley. Also, should get another CB by round 3 cause thinking Wright and Smith can hold things down is over estimating your talent.

[BMoreDuck]

1: Tunsil- franchise LT

2: Ramsey- Best overall player in the draft imo. Can play corner or safety. I personally think he'd be a Pro-Bowl caliber safety. He'd be an above average corner with maybe a few pro-bowl visits, but I think he'd excel at safety.

3: Buckner- I live in Eugene and have seen every single one of Buckners games since he got to the UO. The man is an absolute beast and he progressed every year at Oregon. He still has yet to reach his ceiling imo. At home games at Autzen, I would watch him interact with the team and he is a bonified leader. He would definitely be a good fit in the locker room. He is a high character guy and his work ethic is through the roof. He's been in a 3-4(2 gap) for four years at Oregon so he'd adjust smoothly to the Ravens D. 5 tech all the way. Definitely Buckner>Bosa.

4: Bosa- I'm honestly not a huge fan of Bosa, but he fits a pass rushing need. I just think he's more of an open end in a 4-3 at the next level. He's also had some off the field issues that he got caught for and I've heard rumors of him not getting caught for other issues. He's definitely talented, but if it's between him and DeFo, I'd go with Buckner every day of the week.

5: VH3- We need a solid corner on the other side of Smith and I think VH3 would offer that. He doesn't have prototypical size, but he's also not tiny. He's definitely a playmaker and stays on the hips of his receivers. I think he'd be a good #2 corner and I still think he has upside. If all the guys above are gone Ozzie could most likely trade back a couple of spots and still get VH3 and some extra picks.

6: Jack- I even had a hard time putting Jack here. I'm not a fan of Jack at all. Every year there's an athletic freak that jumps high in the draft. That's Jack. I'm curious as to how many people on this board have seen multiple games of Jack or your just basing your opinion on highlights and what analyst say? The PAC 12 games don't air out East so that's why I'm asking this? I've seen probably 70% of Jacks games and I've seen him in person as well. I wasn't overly impressed. I saw Oregon's TE Pharoah Brown completely take him to school on multiple occasions and people say he's elite in coverage. Lol. I just think a lot of people have bought into the hype because he played on both sides and the media pumped him up. Plus, he's not terrible brightest kid. He really wanted to come to Oregon, but the Duck staff passed on him because they felt he wouldn't have the grades. Somehow he got into a higher institution of learning in UCLA, but I imagine some strings were pulled. At OLB we want an elite pass rusher ie: Suggs/Doom and while Jack isn't terrible off the edge he's certainly not elite. And he's certainly not a sackmaster. He barely got after the QB. I also don't think he has the field IQ to move inside at the next level.  I think he'd struggle at ILB having to 2 gap. It would be too overwhelming for him. That's just my two cents. Throw in the injury and I just don't see him being anywhere close to being worth it at pk6.

7: Stanley- Not worth a top 10 pick imo. He has good size, good arms, good feet and he's solid in pass pro, but he's not that good in run protection. The Ravens rely a lot on the running game so you want a LT to be elite in that category as well as pass pro. Plus, the concern of his work ethic is red flag as well. I understand we need a LT, but it's not often Baltimore picks this high so they better make it count. 

Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, VH3. That's the order I'd have my board if I was Oz. One of those guys will definitely be there at 6 and most likely two or three of them could be available at 6.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2016 by BMoreDuck

[757RavensFan]

On 4/2/2016 at 9:39 PM, TheConquerorWorm said:

I still see Ramsey falling to us. Just can't see another team taking him. SD needs OL & Pass Rusher. Dallas needs DL & Pass rusher. Jax needs DL & LB help badly. To take a safety in the Top 5 would be almost unheard of. (Yes, he has the talent to play CB but has yet to play there full-time - that's a big gamble for a Top 5 pick)

I see it as:

1. Tunsil
2. Wentz
3. Stanley/Buckner
4. Bosa/Buckner
5. Jack/Buckner
6. Which will leave either Bosa/Buckner, Jack or Ramsey for us.

I don't see SD passing on Ramsey at all.  Especially after they jettisoned Weddle.