Hypothetical: Ravens trade up to #3

[Dame2]

If Tunsil go #1 and a QB go #2 are the Ravens willing to give up a third rd pick to move up 3 spots to get Jalen Remsey I think it will be a great move also.

[nishadrahman13]

It would be bold, but losing the 70th overall pick is no joke. That's a potential starter at that pick. Also, I doubt the Chargers would be willing to trade down regardless.

[Dame2]

That's true but the Ravens have  have 4 4th round picks.

[RaineV1]

It would probably take a first round pick next year to trade up with the Chargers.

[Underdogsontop!]

As much as I like Ramsey, I'd rather not. I also don't think it would happen simply because Oz loves having more picks and we would be giving up some valuable picks to move up. With those valuable picks we could get our future LT, Edge, or WR.  Also I don't ever remember Ozzie moving up in the 1st round... 

[Dame2]

Maybe not because it's only 3 spots and the Chargers pick up a 3rd and still can get a player they want Bosa,Buckner,Stanley if the Ravens stay at #6 and Bosa,Buckner,Jack are gone VH3 is the only option after that.

[JoeyFlex5]

Moving from 6th to 3rd  would take much more a 3rd rounder.

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

As much as I like Ramsey, I'd rather not. I also don't think it would happen simply because Oz loves having more picks and we would be giving up some valuable picks to move up. With those valuable picks we could get our future LT, Edge, or WR.  Also I don't ever remember Ozzie moving up in the 1st round... 

After he traded back he traded up to get Flacco and I think he did for Oher after trading back. However a straight trade up I don't recall

[52520Andrew]

4 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

As much as I like Ramsey, I'd rather not. I also don't think it would happen simply because Oz loves having more picks and we would be giving up some valuable picks to move up. With those valuable picks we could get our future LT, Edge, or WR.  Also I don't ever remember Ozzie moving up in the 1st round... 

Ngata

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

Ngata

Flacco (kinda)

[Gordo52]

Would love it. Ramsey is worth it for us. 

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, Underdogsontop! said:

As much as I like Ramsey, I'd rather not. I also don't think it would happen simply because Oz loves having more picks and we would be giving up some valuable picks to move up. With those valuable picks we could get our future LT, Edge, or WR.  Also I don't ever remember Ozzie moving up in the 1st round... 

Oher and Flacco

[RavensDieHard21]

Up until today I have strongly advocated staying put and taking the top talent left, but for any reason SD is willing to trade for a third rounder and maybe a future third or 4th, which is probably unlikely, I would do it in a heart beat, only if Ramsey or Tunsil are there.  I think Ozzie is a great GM and an excellent drafter, bur recent drafts have shown that many prospects past the top 20 picks can be wild cards, such as Elam, Brown, Oher, Upshaw, etc., which makes it almost irresistible to pass on either player that has future All-pro written all over them. Tunsil is self explanatory as he protects Joe's blind side for the rest of his career and is the best LT coming out since Tyron Smith. After watching Ramsey's pro day, I instantly was drooling as he is going to be a legit stud. Incredibly fast, explosive, smooth hips and hands. He is an instant game changer on defense and it is justifiable to sacrifice a will card or two for a kid with so much potential...

[Winchester]

Ravens need building block players. These players rarely hit free agency and cost loads of coin. So these players have to be drafted. I'm for trading up. The solid starters ravens will not be drafting with the picks traded can be found all over. Game changers can not be found wherever!! Solid players and depth come a dime a dozen. Can be found  in free agency later rounds and next draft. Have to aggressively pursue game changers. Will not fall in ravens lap.

[Halshayeji]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Moving from 6th to 3rd  would take much more a 3rd rounder.

According to the value chart, it would take a high second. I really doubt Ozzie gives up our 2nd. The talent pool from picks 10-40 are almost identical in overall grades.

 

well what if.....

Ozzie offers our second next year and one of our 4ths this year and the Chargers bite. Would you pull the trigger? 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

According to the value chart, it would take a high second. I really doubt Ozzie gives up our 2nd. The talent pool from picks 10-40 are almost identical in overall grades.

 

well what if.....

Ozzie offers our second next year and one of our 4ths this year and the Chargers bite. Would you pull the trigger? 

I wouldn't, we have a good record finding good talent in later rounds.  But honestly, it would be nice to see the FO actually do something to get a guy they love and really covet instead of valuing the draft picks more than getting the guy they want

[Halshayeji]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I wouldn't, we have a good record finding good talent in later rounds.  But honestly, it would be nice to see the FO actually do something to get a guy they love and really covet instead of valuing the draft picks more than getting the guy they want

 

True that. Go get em if you like em. But never chase unless we're talking QB.

[Cillmatic]

We'd need to give up our 2nd round pick in order to make this happen and if rather not do that. Ramsey's good but we'd be better off just praying that all the GM's in front of us go Momentarily blind and lose the Ramsey card. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

According to the value chart, it would take a high second. I really doubt Ozzie gives up our 2nd. The talent pool from picks 10-40 are almost identical in overall grades.

 

well what if.....

Ozzie offers our second next year and one of our 4ths this year and the Chargers bite. Would you pull the trigger? 

I just think that post-RGIII, that the value chart is almost useless. Teams are all very well aware that giving up an army of picks for a few spots is not worth it. I realistically would give up two third rounders at most. This team needs a super star and maybe that ends up being Hargreaves or Bosa, but Ramsey and Tunsil at 3 would be hard to pass if there was a chance at getting them, but that's not Ozzie's style. He would rather take a top talent like Jack, VH3, or Bosa, then trades up to the end of the first to grab a sliding top 15 pick.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

We'd need to give up our 2nd round pick in order to make this happen and if rather not do that. Ramsey's good but we'd be better off just praying that all the GM's in front of us go Momentarily blind and lose the Ramsey card. 

I see one big talent sliding to us no matter what. Most likely it will be Bosa if Titans don't take him. Ramsey just fits every team ahead of us needs. 

[Halshayeji]

28 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I just think that post-RGIII, that the value chart is almost useless. Teams are all very well aware that giving up an army of picks for a few spots is not worth it. I realistically would give up two third rounders at most. This team needs a super star and maybe that ends up being Hargreaves or Bosa, but Ramsey and Tunsil at 3 would be hard to pass if there was a chance at getting them, but that's not Ozzie's style. He would rather take a top talent like Jack, VH3, or Bosa, then trades up to the end of the first to grab a sliding top 15 pick.

 

I know the value chart is not very accurate but it's the only "almost reliable" realistic platform to go back to. Depending on the player or year the value chart often becomes irrelevant. But what remains constant is that teams rarely ever accept a trade that's less than its value on the chart. So basically if moving from 10-20 is worth 500 points then a team should expect a minimum of 450 in return.

oh and if Ozzie strikes with a top 5 talent then follows with snatching a top 15 talent then all bets are off. We just won the draft  

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I see one big talent sliding to us no matter what. Most likely it will be Bosa if Titans don't take him. Ramsey just fits every team ahead of us needs. 

Bosa doesn't fit us at all, he'd be useless if he fell.

if Tunsil, Jack or Ramsey aren't there when we're on the clock our pick(should we stay at #6) will be far less skilled in comparison to the earlier picks. I'd rather trade back and get someone more appropriate for the spot. 

Edited March 31, 2016 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

Predicting trades is way too difficult because it's draft dependent. In 13, the Dolphins jumped from 12 to 3 for a second. In 14, the Bills jumped from 9 to 4 for a future first and a 14 fourth. 

[thieverycorporation]

No one in the top five projections is worth trading up for. Noboby.

[RavensDieHard21]

33 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

 

I know the value chart is not very accurate but it's the only "almost reliable" realistic platform to go back to. Depending on the player or year the value chart often becomes irrelevant. But what remains constant is that teams rarely ever accept a trade that's less than its value on the chart. So basically if moving from 10-20 is worth 500 points then a team should expect a minimum of 450 in return.

oh and if Ozzie strikes with a top 5 talent then follows with snatching a top 15 talent then all bets are off. We just won the draft  

It is plausible. Ozzie is the hardest GM to predict. I am almost wrong every year, except 2011 I seen us taking Jimmy Smith. a top 15 talent to Ozzie at 36 or in a trade up could be Noah Spence, Mackensie Alexander, Kevin Dodd, but it could also be A'Shawn Robinson who has miraculously disappeared from first round mocks. For all we know Ozzie loving Bama and being worried about re-signing Williams could pick Robsinson lol  

[RavensDieHard21]

36 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Bosa doesn't fit us at all, he'd be useless if he fell.

if Tunsil, Jack or Ramsey aren't there when we're on the clock our pick(should we stay at #6) will be far less skilled in comparison to the earlier picks. I'd rather trade back and get someone more appropriate for the spot. 

Bosa, I believe is athletic enough to play OLB in due time, at least only on early downs early on where he could set the edge. But on obvious passing downs he could be kicking inside next to Suggs or Doom and he could generate a fine rush from the interior against slower guards. 

[JoeyFlex5]

38 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Bosa doesn't fit us at all, he'd be useless if he fell.

if Tunsil, Jack or Ramsey aren't there when we're on the clock our pick(should we stay at #6) will be far less skilled in comparison to the earlier picks. I'd rather trade back and get someone more appropriate for the spot. 

Man... What is it about you and exaggerating every little concern lol. 

 

Do you really think bosa would be useless here? I can not for the life of me see how a team who desperately needs a pass rusher and runs nickel just as often as the base 34, would find bosa useless. It just does not settle with me...

 

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[RavensDieHard21]

19 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

No one in the top five projections is worth trading up for. Noboby.

I would agree that no body named "boby" should be sought after in a trade up scenario, but there is this top-tier LT named Laremy Tunsil that might be a perennial All-pro that might be worth a few extra picks to get if he makes it to three.

[rmw10]

35 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Predicting trades is way too difficult because it's draft dependent. In 13, the Dolphins jumped from 12 to 3 for a second. In 14, the Bills jumped from 9 to 4 for a future first and a 14 fourth. 

I've seen somewhere that teams are expecting trades to be cheap this year since a lot of the talent is grouped together. Might be expensive in the top 8 or so, but afterwards, it's anyone's best guess. 

[Halshayeji]

20 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

It is plausible. Ozzie is the hardest GM to predict. I am almost wrong every year, except 2011 I seen us taking Jimmy Smith. a top 15 talent to Ozzie at 36 or in a trade up could be Noah Spence, Mackensie Alexander, Kevin Dodd, but it could also be A'Shawn Robinson who has miraculously disappeared from first round mocks. For all we know Ozzie loving Bama and being worried about re-signing Williams could pick Robsinson lol  

I feel ya. Ozzie is impossible to predict. What's funny is that I was waaaaaaay off in 2011. We all know Ozzie loves his Bama kids but no one can say who he loves more lol