[News] Late For Work 3/30: Trent Richardson's Big Goals With Ravens

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The running back has dropped 20 pounds. Justin Forsett holds camp in Italy. Hargreaves a reach?

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[The Greek]

i have a good feeling about richardson. he is still young and at the least we cut him without much cost if it does not work out. will make the other backs work that much harder to make the roster.

[fusuymada]

This is a "we have a lot to prove" year after a 5-11 season and we are picking up a lot of guys who feel they have something to prove. Of course, Wallace and Richardson, both who feel like they can get the last laugh in Baltimore and show people they really are the great players that people professed they would be. Same is true of Weddle who felt disrespected in San Diego and has a chip to prove he is still a pro bowl guy. We have some people on the roster who have something to prove starting with some injured players who want to prove they are still productive including Suggs, Will Davis and Forsett. If all these guys turn in a season equivalent to their talent levels, we could have an amazing season. As far as Hargreaves goes, the only way I wouldn't take him at 6 is if Ramsey is there. I am not sold on Bosa (would rather have Buckner) but I saw mock drafts that had Ramsey at 5. If he is there at 5, we should have made a move at 4 to get him. The Jaguars don't want a QB and if Dallas does, they could trade out with us and be a win-win. I know Bisciotti said we wont move up but this is the "season for lies" as teams try to confuse each other and fake each other out but I no longer believe anyone associated with a football team after February1.   Updated at 10:43 - NFL Mock Central has Daniel Jeremiah believing Hargreaves will go at 5 and Ike Taylor believes he will go at 6 to the Ravens so it looks like most people are getting in line.

Edited March 30, 2016 by fusuymada
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[berad]

Don't know what to expect from Richardson but he's doing a heck of a lot better than another Alabama reclamation we tried a few years ago - Rolando McClain... His accomplishments as a Raven were getting arrested a couple weeks after he signed, retiring a couple weeks after that, then getting traded to Dallas for peanuts - that was maybe one of Ozzie's greatest deals because Rolando McClain had done zilch in purple.

[The Greek]

This is a "we have a lot to prove" year after a 5-11 season and we are picking up a lot of guys who feel they have something to prove. Of course, Wallace and Richardson, both who feel like they can get the last laugh in Baltimore and show people they really are the great players that people professed they would be. Same is true of Weddle who felt disrespected in San Diego and has a chip to prove he is still a pro bowl guy. We have some people on the roster who have something to prove starting with some injured players who want to prove they are still productive including Suggs, Will Davis and Forsett. If all these guys turn in a season equivalent to their talent levels, we could have an amazing season. As far as Hargreaves goes, the only way I wouldn't take him at 6 is if Ramsey is there. I am not sold on Bosa (would rather have Buckner) but I saw mock drafts that had Ramsey at 5. If he is there at 5, we should have made a move at 4 to get him. The Jaguars don't want a QB and if Dallas does, they could trade out with us and be a win-win. I know Bisciotti said we wont move up but this is the "season for lies" as teams try to confuse each other and fake each other out but I no longer believe anyone associated with a football team after February1.

would have to give up a 2nd or more to move up. not worth it. if the fo does their homework we will land a star at #6 unless we move back

[creigle]

This is a "we have a lot to prove" year after a 5-11 season and we are picking up a lot of guys who feel they have something to prove. Of course, Wallace and Richardson, both who feel like they can get the last laugh in Baltimore and show people they really are the great players that people professed they would be. Same is true of Weddle who felt disrespected in San Diego and has a chip to prove he is still a pro bowl guy. We have some people on the roster who have something to prove starting with some injured players who want to prove they are still productive including Suggs, Will Davis and Forsett. If all these guys turn in a season equivalent to their talent levels, we could have an amazing season. As far as Hargreaves goes, the only way I wouldn't take him at 6 is if Ramsey is there. I am not sold on Bosa (would rather have Buckner) but I saw mock drafts that had Ramsey at 5. If he is there at 5, we should have made a move at 4 to get him. The Jaguars don't want a QB and if Dallas does, they could trade out with us and be a win-win. I know Bisciotti said we wont move up but this is the "season for lies" as teams try to confuse each other and fake each other out but I no longer believe anyone associated with a football team after February1.

I don't see them trading up. They just won't give up picks to move up. They will get a quality player at 6 and another at 36. One thing to remember is that 36th pick. It's only about 8-10 spots off from where they have picked in the 1st round the last several years. They should get two real good players this year.

[757RavensFan]

6 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

This is a "we have a lot to prove" year after a 5-11 season and we are picking up a lot of guys who feel they have something to prove. Of course, Wallace and Richardson, both who feel like they can get the last laugh in Baltimore and show people they really are the great players that people professed they would be. Same is true of Weddle who felt disrespected in San Diego and has a chip to prove he is still a pro bowl guy. We have some people on the roster who have something to prove starting with some injured players who want to prove they are still productive including Suggs, Will Davis and Forsett. If all these guys turn in a season equivalent to their talent levels, we could have an amazing season. As far as Hargreaves goes, the only way I wouldn't take him at 6 is if Ramsey is there. I am not sold on Bosa (would rather have Buckner) but I saw mock drafts that had Ramsey at 5. If he is there at 5, we should have made a move at 4 to get him. The Jaguars don't want a QB and if Dallas does, they could trade out with us and be a win-win. I know Bisciotti said we wont move up but this is the "season for lies" as teams try to confuse each other and fake each other out but I no longer believe anyone associated with a football team after February1.

As much as I love Suggs, I'm not convinced he has the internal fire to be dominant again as he was 2 years ago. Just last off-season he talked about retirement, how losing Ngata affected him and we know he's dealing w/ personal issues.  I hope he has it in him to give us one more great year.  

[dirtybird66]

I really hope this work's out for both of us,so,it's like getting another first round draft choice/smart,very smart, guy's.

[jravens1313]

  46 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

This is a "we have a lot to prove" year after a 5-11 season and we are picking up a lot of guys who feel they have something to prove. Of course, Wallace and Richardson, both who feel like they can get the last laugh in Baltimore and show people they really are the great players that people professed they would be. Same is true of Weddle who felt disrespected in San Diego and has a chip to prove he is still a pro bowl guy. We have some people on the roster who have something to prove starting with some injured players who want to prove they are still productive including Suggs, Will Davis and Forsett. If all these guys turn in a season equivalent to their talent levels, we could have an amazing season. As far as Hargreaves goes, the only way I wouldn't take him at 6 is if Ramsey is there. I am not sold on Bosa (would rather have Buckner) but I saw mock drafts that had Ramsey at 5. If he is there at 5, we should have made a move at 4 to get him. The Jaguars don't want a QB and if Dallas does, they could trade out with us and be a win-win. I know Bisciotti said we wont move up but this is the "season for lies" as teams try to confuse each other and fake each other out but I no longer believe anyone associated with a football team after February1.

As much as I love Suggs, I'm not convinced he has the internal fire to be dominant again as he was 2 years ago. Just last off-season he talked about retirement, how losing Ngata affected him and we know he's dealing w/ personal issues.  I hope he has it in him to give us one more great year.  

Have you honestly seen a year where Suggs didn't bring his all? Or wasn't the most dominant player on the field wearing Purple and Black? Suggs is a battle tested warrior. Be grateful for how long he has played and that he is still on this team. We need more guys like Sizzle.

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, jravens1313 said:

Have you honestly seen a year where Suggs didn't bring his all? Or wasn't the most dominant player on the field wearing Purple and Black? Suggs is a battle tested warrior. Be grateful for how long he has played and that he is still on this team. We need more guys like Sizzle.

Yes I have.  I can't remember the year, I'm sure someone will chime in.  But it was year when he was tremendously overweight and it wasn't a year after his Achilles injury.  

[budman]

8 minutes ago, jravens1313 said:

Have you honestly seen a year where Suggs didn't bring his all? Or wasn't the most dominant player on the field wearing Purple and Black? Suggs is a battle tested warrior. Be grateful for how long he has played and that he is still on this team. We need more guys like Sizzle.

Actually, yes. I love Suggs but I do remember him coming in waaay overweight and it took until a few games in to get close to sacks. That was big news a few years ago. If he has been rehabbing like crazy and conditioning  then there should not be a problem. It's funny how we hear about Flacco and Steve Smith's rehab and how far along they are but nothing on Suggs? Just saying.

[riseNConquer81]

  21 minutes ago, jravens1313 said:

Have you honestly seen a year where Suggs didn't bring his all? Or wasn't the most dominant player on the field wearing Purple and Black? Suggs is a battle tested warrior. Be grateful for how long he has played and that he is still on this team. We need more guys like Sizzle.

Yes I have.  I can't remember the year, I'm sure someone will chime in.  But it was year when he was tremendously overweight and it wasn't a year after his Achilles injury.  

a year of allegedly bad performance that wasnt even bad enough for you to remember hardly seems worth mentioning.

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

a year of allegedly bad performance that wasnt even bad enough for you to remember hardly seems worth mentioning.

As noted by Budman above you, it's obviously worth mentioning b/c I'm not the only one who remembered that bad year Suggs had.  I clearly remember how bad it was, I just don't remember what year it was.  

I do know it was BEFORE his first Achilles injury.  

[ludy51]

I'm really not sure whether I should be getting excited for this Trent Richardson thing or not

[riseNConquer81]

17 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

As noted by Budman above you, it's obviously worth mentioning b/c I'm not the only one who remembered that bad year Suggs had.  I clearly remember how bad it was, I just don't remember what year it was.  

I do know it was BEFORE his first Achilles injury.  

budman said he remembered a slow start. thats a few bad games, not a bad year. 
so yeah, you kind of are the only one who remembers it. 

Last time suggs played more than half a season and saw less than double digit sacks is 2009. 
In 2010, he had a sack credit in all but 4 weeks through week 15, and he started 2011 with 3 sacks against pittsburgh in week 1, so even budman's slow start memory seems grossly exaggerated. 
whatever you're talking about isnt as serious as youre trying to make it out to be. 
some trivial thing fans blew out of proportion as they are apt to do around here frequently. 

Edited March 30, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[budkretz]

The only way the Ravens draft Hargreaves is if they trade back to # 10-12. I'm guessing the Ravens are looking at Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner and Jack. With Tunsil and the possible QB picks one of those players should be available at #6. If not trade back (Giants may want to get to 6 to pick Elliott). I don't want the Ravens to go past #10 unless the Rams at #15 give us a super package (#15 , 2nd , 3rd and maybe something the following year). If we drop back to #10 -15 range: Hargreaves, Ragland (ILB), Eliott (RB), Lawson (DE) or Bullard (DE), Apple (CB) are in play. In the 2nd or 3rd round keep an eye on Artie Burns (CB) and Scooby Wright (ILB)

[Halshayeji]

VH3 is such an intriguing prospect. His film yells playmaker but his size leaves much to be desired at the next level. His combine showed how fluid his hips actually are and how elite his hands are. Then he runs a 4.50. His competition was elite but then the defense around him was weak and quarterbacks just avoided him all game.

i was hopping he squashes all doubters in his pro day then he decides not to run a 40. So what is his deal already? A month ago I would have been ok with taking him over Ramsey as a pure CB. Today im not sure if he'll ever become a true shutdown corner. I have no doubt he gets the job done against slot guys but I'm not so sure he can handle 6'3 guys who are a bit faster than him on a regular basis...

[budkretz]

i have a good feeling about richardson. he is still young and at the least we cut him without much cost if it does not work out. will make the other backs work that much harder to make the roster.

It's a win-win. For the veteran minimum we can get a back who gives us more flexibility in the backfieldand a different dimension in the backfield. If he's anywhere close to what he was in college WOW!! if he's done he's cut.

[bioLarzen]

I'm really not sure whether I should be getting excited for this Trent Richardson thing or not

No-one can tell. I'm a bit cautious when it comes to the Ravens giving a last-plus-one chance to players salvage or reignite their careers... Boller lasted a week or two in the summer a couple of seasons back, JaMarcus Russell not even that long (can really anbody remember him coming to the Castle for workouts?). Rolando McClain had the best success - but just after deserting from Baltimore and going to Dallas... The only name I can remember from the recent memory of a player who might have really saved and realigned his career after coming to - and staying in - Baltimore is Justin Forsett...

I guess in Richardson's case it will boil down to two factors: how well his cometitors will do, and how motivated he really is to play football again - and that's important: not to make money again, but to play football again. If his motivation is really just to make money again, it may easily vanish once he signs the contract. But if he's really aout to play football again, he may hve a chance...

[stixfix69]

I love the move of getting Richardson into camp, he has the thumper build with a burst....I really hope he steps it up in camp and earns PT, always have been a fan of bigger backs.....

[757RavensFan]

7 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

budman said he remembered a slow start. thats a few bad games, not a bad year. 
so yeah, you kind of are the only one who remembers it. 

Last time suggs played more than half a season and saw less than double digit sacks is 2009. 
whatever you're talking about isnt as serious as youre trying to make it out to be. 
some trivial thing fans blew out of proportion as they are apt to do around here frequently. 

Thanks for making my point.  When you only have 4.5 sacks in almost a full season(2009) when you were averaging almost 8 sacks a season is considered a good year? Umm, no! 2009 was the year he signed his 1st big contract and there was a lot of people talking about how he didn't perform to the level of his contract.  Stop acting like you don't know what I'm talking about.   Peace and have a good day. 

[riseNConquer81]

1 minute ago, 757RavensFan said:

Thanks for making my point.  When you only have 4.5 sacks in almost a full season(2009) when you were averaging almost 8 sacks a season is considered a good year? Umm, no! 2009 was the year he signed his 1st big contract and there was a lot of people talking about how he didn't perform to the level of his contract.  Stop acting like you don't know what I'm talking about.   Peace and have a good day. 

Thanks for demonstrating that you're just talking out of your rear.

He only played 13 games in 2009. 

you're obviously making this up as you go. 

[757RavensFan]

3 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Thanks for demonstrating that you're just talking out of your rear.

He only played 13 games in 2009. 

you're obviously making this up as you go. 

What part of "all most a full season" did you not comprehend? You're obviously only reading what you want to read.   

[ludy51]

10 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

No-one can tell. I'm a bit cautious when it comes to the Ravens giving a last-plus-one chance to players salvage or reignite their careers... Boller lasted a week or two in the summer a couple of seasons back, JaMarcus Russell not even that long (can really anbody remember him coming to the Castle for workouts?). Rolando McClain had the best success - but just after deserting from Baltimore and going to Dallas... The only name I can remember from the recent memory of a player who might have really saved and realigned his career after coming to - and staying in - Baltimore is Justin Forsett...

I guess in Richardson's case it will boil down to two factors: how well his cometitors will do, and how motivated he really is to play football again - and that's important: not to make money again, but to play football again. If his motivation is really just to make money again, it may easily vanish once he signs the contract. But if he's really aout to play football again, he may hve a chance...

Sound like he's really motivated. But........ he's Trent Richardson! How can anybody get excited for him!? I just don't know if he can regain his college form or not or if he'll just fade into oblivion after a few crappy games here.

[ellicottraven]

Motivation and desire can do great things if applied in the right way in an environment of encouragement. Hopefully, Trent has both motivation and desire to work hard, learn and produce. Because I know that the encouragement and environment are there for him in Baltimore.

[riseNConquer81]

12 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

What part of "all most a full season" did you not comprehend? You're obviously only reading what you want to read.   

no, im reading someone who made a nonsense comment flailing to save face on it. 

you made up some story about Suggs slacking, couldnt back it up, and then pretended you were talking about 2009 as soon as I brought it up. 

hello spade. 

worst part about that is: 2009 doesnt even make your point. He couldve easily gotten 3 sacks in any one of those 3 games he missed (or one sack in each) and then you'd be stuck trying to move the goal post again. 
Also worth noting: 2009 was Greg Mattison's first year as defensive coordinator and he had a penchant for 3 man rushes. 
youre presenting a presumption as fact. not how it works. 

Edited March 30, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[dirtybird66]

we don't want bosa!

[757RavensFan]

31 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

no, im reading someone who made a nonsense comment flailing to save face on it. 

you made up some story about Suggs slacking, couldnt back it up, and then pretended you were talking about 2009 as soon as I brought it up. 

hello spade. 

worst part avout that is: 2009 doesnt even make your point. He couldve easily gotten 3 sacks in any one of those 3 games he missed and then you'd be stuck trying to move the goal post again. 
your presenting a presumption as fact. not how it works. 

I clearly stated I didn't remember the year but I remember it wasn't a good one.  Pat yourself on the back for knowing it was 2009.  I SERIOUSLY doubt you knew that Suggs had less than double digit sacks in 2009 w/out hitting up Google first. But hey if you want me to believe that, so be it.

 It's funny you state that Suggs could have easily gotten 3 sacks in the last 3 games and then in your last sentence try to state I'm presenting a presumption as a fact.  Kinda of ironic, wouldn't you say? Saying Suggs could have easily got 3 sacks in the games he missed is like saying Flacco could have thrown for 400 yards and went 6-0 in the games he missed.  It's nothing more than wishful thinking and shouldn't even be used in a discussion.

Edited March 30, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[budman]

2009 Suggs played in 13 Games- had 44 tackles-15 assist and 4.5 Sacks. Not very good by his standards at all.

[Fastynart]

Richardson? There is a reason why an overall number 3 draft pick plays for 3 teams in 4 years and was cut by the Raiders. Unless the Ravens have figured it out and it is addressable, they are wasting their time and money on this guy. Talk is cheap. Whatever Harbaugh said to him he has heard before and not put up where his mouth is. It is only worth the chance if it costs the Ravens nothing. The first sign of slippage or lack of effort should get him a one way bus ticket out of here. He has had enough chances.