4th Round Trade Chips

[sflegend89]

We have four 4th round picks this year, 2 of them are tradeable (Our original 4th and the 4th from Denver). The possibility that jumps out to me is swapping one or both of those 4th round picks to maneuver from our 2nd round pick back into the tail end of the 1st to make sure we get a player we truly want (ie: Spence, Doctson, Fuller, Apple, Alexander). Let's reference the trade value chart to see just how high we could potentially move up using those picks as trade chips.

 

Original 4th + 2nd Round pick = Trade Value 626 - 30th Overall pick

Original 4th + Denver's 4th + 2nd Round Pick = Trade Value 668 - 28th Overall Pick

 

Obviously it takes a willing team to make a trade even if the trade value is fair but I think it's definitely a possibility we do indeed make one of those trades if there's someone we're high on available at the end of Day 1 on Draft Night. It's worth it to make sure we get the player we want and don't leave it up to chance that they make it to us at our 2nd. Teams like the Browns have shown interest in a lot of the same players we're probably targeting in the 2nd, I think jumping them could end up being crucial to landing a guy like Spence. The AFCN teams always seem to like very similar players in the draft. The comp picks at the end of the 4th round give us flexibility to move here and not sacrifice our chance to add some mid round depth type players.

Edited March 29, 2016 by sflegend89

[Halshayeji]

Yes yes YeS!

Moving back into the first would not only assure us getting a guy we really want. It also gives the Ravens a team option to keep the player after his rookie deal. Do it Ozzie! LT makes a lot of sense

[JoeyFlex5]

Depending on who we take in the first, wj3 Or Alexander falling past the Steelers could make us pull the trigger since any team ahead of us in the 2nd could take a db.

 

Spence probably is off our boards after will hill, I think his concerns are overblown but I don't think the ravens see it the same way. So I don't think he comes into play here. 

 

Corey Coleman or treadwell could be in play there if one of them slide.

 

I think the biggest wildcard here that Will trigger a 5-8 spot trade up, is a'shawn Robinson. Hes been forgotten around here and I'm glad he's out of the crosshairs at 6, but if his stock keeps plummeting then I'd expect ozzie to make the move in the early 30s. I'll bet Ozzie has a top 15 grade on Robinson.

[Winchester]

Nobody uses that chart these days. At least not completely. It is all who is available But I'm for trading them round4 picks to move into round2. Even to move back into round1for an impact player like Nkemdiche Corey Coleman or Michael Thomas.

[RaineV1]

I think the Chiefs or Cardinals could be willing to trade down since their needs are generally in positions where the draft is deep at. The Chiefs in particular could be willing to trade down and just grab Bullard or Butler in the early 2nd round.

In my opinion, a trade up would be for Spriggs, Dodd, WJ3, or Alexander.

[rmw10]

I think one of those is almost assuredly trade bait. There have already been rumors that the Ravens could look to trade back up into the first. 

[edthehead]

I am all in for an aggressive draft,

then there is the possibility that we trade back with our 6th, more pics 

what we need is to go after players and not sit and wait

[RaineV1]

13 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I am all in for an aggressive draft,

then there is the possibility that we trade back with our 6th, more pics 

what we need is to go after players and not sit and wait

For me a dream scenario would be to trade back for extra pics, and then use those to trade up in other rounds to grab guys that Ozzie and company really like. We could get 3 players that are capable of being starters or heavy rotation pieces in the top 50 picks (possibly top 40).

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think the Chiefs or Cardinals could be willing to trade down since their needs are generally in positions where the draft is deep at. The Chiefs in particular could be willing to trade down and just grab Bullard or Butler in the early 2nd round.

In my opinion, a trade up would be for Spriggs, Dodd, WJ3, or Alexander.

Cardinals need a pass rusher. The draft isn't very deep in those.

[beanfigger]

Comp picks are now tradeable, right? New rule this year? That means we have even more ammunition.

[GrimCoconut]

9 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

Comp picks are now tradeable, right? New rule this year? That means we have even more ammunition.

Next year not this year.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Cardinals need a pass rusher. The draft isn't very deep in those.

True, but they could also use a DB. So it depends on what's available to them with that pick, and what they think they can get later on.

[beanfigger]

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Next year not this year.

Bullocks. Guess we picked the right year to stop racking them up.

[Maryland]

Too many picks so close together. Whenever I do a mock simulation, I always find myself dissatisfied with the player I get with those last couple 4th round picks  

That Denver pick should be moved for sure. 

[Winchester]

12 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

For me a dream scenario would be to trade back for extra pics, and then use those to trade up in other rounds to grab guys that Ozzie and company really like. We could get 3 players that are capable of being starters or heavy rotation pieces in the top 50 picks (possibly top 40).

Exactly trade back several spots and pick up an extra round2 then trade back into round1 for Spence Nkemdiche Coleman or Thomas.

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, beanfigger said:

Bullocks. Guess we picked the right year to stop racking them up.

I dunno why everybody is so fascinated with trading comp picks. It is not like the ravens have ever been very aggressive moving up. But I do agree the ravens picked a terrible time to give up the comps. And did so for older players that could end up being one year players. Watson is old and weddle is quite a gamble to think he is going to rebound at his age after a not so inspiring year. Ravens are really banking a lot of coin on his bad year having not so much to do with declining skills.I would of preferred the  ravens  to scrap the comp picks for younger players planning to be impact players for several yrs. My personal opinion the weddle and Watson moves will show up as mistakes. I really want to like Wallace but he is going on 30 and was never able to master a complete game. Just that one trick.

[nishadrahman13]

18 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I dunno why everybody is so fascinated with trading comp picks. It is not like the ravens have ever been very aggressive moving up. But I do agree the ravens picked a terrible time to give up the comps. And did so for older players that could end up being one year players. Watson is old and weddle is quite a gamble to think he is going to rebound at his age after a not so inspiring year. Ravens are really banking a lot of coin on his bad year having not so much to do with declining skills.I would of preferred the  ravens  to scrap the comp picks for younger players planning to be impact players for several yrs. My personal opinion the weddle and Watson moves will show up as mistakes. I really want to like Wallace but he is going on 30 and was never able to master a complete game. Just that one trick.

It's quite a trick though. And the perfect one when your QB is Joe "Reckless" Flacco.

[GrimCoconut]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

I dunno why everybody is so fascinated with trading comp picks. It is not like the ravens have ever been very aggressive moving up. But I do agree the ravens picked a terrible time to give up the comps. And did so for older players that could end up being one year players. Watson is old and weddle is quite a gamble to think he is going to rebound at his age after a not so inspiring year. Ravens are really banking a lot of coin on his bad year having not so much to do with declining skills.I would of preferred the  ravens  to scrap the comp picks for younger players planning to be impact players for several yrs. My personal opinion the weddle and Watson moves will show up as mistakes. I really want to like Wallace but he is going on 30 and was never able to master a complete game. Just that one trick.

I think the comp picks change the game. You're right that we don't usually trade up, but we have and Ozzie has been creative with trades to an admirable extent. He's pretty frugal with his picks, but he did trade up for Oher, Reid, Pierce, and Arthur Brown. Sadly, none of those became good players. Kinda sucks. We did try to trade up for Khalil Mack in 2014 but failed. 

I think Ozzie will trade up again this year--it's more like when. He may also trade up next year, too, depending. We seem to like to wait and see. I've noticed and recall hearing that most our attempts to trade up occurs when a specific tier of prospects is getting empty, and so we trade up to get someone in that tier.

[RavensDieHard21]

A trade up for Alexander FTW! We need to get ahead of KC though as they need a corner and a WR desperately I feel

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

A trade up for Alexander FTW! We need to get ahead of KC though as they need a corner and a WR desperately I feel

I don't think KC takes CB again after taking Peters last year. It's hard to double-dip two years running.

[RaineV1]

34 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

A trade up for Alexander FTW! We need to get ahead of KC though as they need a corner and a WR desperately I feel

Actually, I think KC is the team most likely to trade with us. They love rotating safeties and playing with three safeties on the field, but now they have next to no depth at that position. They can trade down with the Ravens and grab Vonn Bell. They could also try to help out their front 7, and Spence, Butler, Bullard, and/or a few others will be available for that in the early 2nd. They could also target Boyd in the early 2nd since they need a WR that can keep drives moving.

[rayven98]

I would love to trade back AHEAD of [crap]sburgh to get alexander before them.  Give up 3rd this year and 2nd next year if they really like him.  Another option I haven't seen many talk about is artie burns from Miami.  If he gets into the 27-29 range I could see a trade up for him.

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, rayven98 said:

I would love to trade back AHEAD of [crap]sburgh to get alexander before them.  Give up 3rd this year and 2nd next year if they really like him.  Another option I haven't seen many talk about is artie burns from Miami.  If he gets into the 27-29 range I could see a trade up for him.

Artie burns has some really ugly tape. He's a track star who looks like he could be 2 years minimum from making the active roster regularly.

[thieverycorporation]

Not a fan of not using the picks in the rounds there slotted. I see clear cut viable choices projected in the fourth round and all have great value. The only way I'd deal them is if we get a trade and acquire another second and third in this years draft at Minimum. Picking in the top 100 that many times is almost a no starter as far as a trade. 

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't think KC takes CB again after taking Peters last year. It's hard to double-dip two years running.

I mean if he is the BPA why not? They just lost Sean Smith and have a hole at CB2, which could be filled by another potential star.

[GrimCoconut]

12 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I mean if he is the BPA why not? They just lost Sean Smith and have a hole at CB2, which could be filled by another potential star.

It's possible but just unlikely. I think they would sooner take Treadwell unless someone of ridiculous value is there, like Hargreaves.

[ravensdan]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

It's possible but just unlikely. I think they would sooner take Treadwell unless someone of ridiculous value is there, like Hargreaves.

Kc could easily add to either O or D line too. That's what Reid likes to do early and they've taken some hits there.