Flex's Mock, again.

[JoeyFlex5]

instead of mocking what i would like to see happen, i want to make an actual prediction. 

1. Tennessee Titans - Jalen Ramsey, DB. 

Im buying into the hype of Ramsey to Tennessee, he isnt exactly a safe pick at DB, but you can make a bit of an argument for Ramsey as the top talent. Tennessee has not been shy about their fascination with him and i dont think its a smokescreen, they are BARREN in the secondary and Ramsey could be the best DB in the league one day and he is a fiery leader with strong work ethic and character. 

2. Cleveland Browns - Carson Wentz, QB.

I am not buying that the browns think rg3 is the guy, and i think hue jackson will think very highly of Wentz, hue jackson is a smart coach who may understand the value of putting the best possible players on the field, but he also knows he needs a qb, Wentz is pro ready and a future franchise QB who is built for the AFC north, with his arm, size, and immense football IQ i dont think the smaller school stigma affects him at all. 

3. San Diego Chargers - Laremy Tunsil, OT. 

The chargers biggest issue was defense, however, Phillip Rivers is still the man under center for the foreseeable future, and their LT is average at best when he can actually stay on the field. Rivers needs more supporting cast, he needs to get off his back and extend his career if they want any kind of window to win a SB. Tunsil at 3rd overall is an absolute steal. 

4. Dallas Cowboys - Joey Bosa, DE. 

the cowboys need a RB, WR, or anything on defense. its a tough call here because i legitimately could see jerry throwing a curveball and taking zeke, i could also see them taking Myles Jack, but they still have Sean Lee who is an absolute stud with a similar skill set and if he can stay healthy then they are happy with him. so that brings us to bosa, they have hardy and gregory who are both a suspension waiting to happen, i predict hardy is out of the league less than a year from now and the cowboys wont be caught off guard by that, enter Bosa.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars - Myles Jack, LB. 

BPA, game changer, new face of the defense maybe, perfect for the speedy AFC south. 

And with the 6th pick of the 2016 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select... 

Vernon Hargreaves III, CB. 

This kid is a damn good corner, and when people bring up a few games at the end of his college career they are really nitpicking. He is only 5'10", but so id Revis, Harris Jr, Grimes, and plenty of other top flight NFL corners, 5'10" is not short for a CB, taller corners have a higher center of gravity and longer legs, causing slower movements and stiffer hips and they are nowhere near as fluid, tall corners with elite cover skills are few and far between, VH3 is a regular sized corner with absolutely elite cover skills who plays like he is 6'0" tall, he mirrors like a darelle revis, closes in on the play like a chris harris jr, and explodes from ANY bodily position to make a play on the ball like a patrick peterson. He is instant coffee, he is a day 1 starter, and he changes our defense, it comes down to VH3, Buckner, and Zeke here, and i think the ravens take the biggest need and in one season our secondary rebounds from a HUGE liability to the strength of the defense. 

 

2nd Round 

Shilique Calhoun, edge. 

This may be a surprise pick, but I think he falls to the 2nd round simply because he doesnt have spectacular measurables or gaudy numbers, he has solid college numbers, and solid measurables, he was already a late first or early 2nd and he hasnt done anything to really help that, so he falls to us, and with his tape i think the ravens give him a first round grade and consider him a steal here. I used to talk bad about his first step but i do believe i was overstating it, its inconsistent but isnt bad, and he times the snap well and when he combines a good jump with a quick first step, he makes plays, a good coach will allow him to use that step more consistently. He has quick moving feet, violent hands, and he just passes the eye test as an edge rusher, he could stand to work on functional strength a little bit but he isnt very far off in that department, he places his hands well when hes bending the edge and he takes advantage of an open inside lane very effectively, he is built close to a 34 OLB, he isnt excessively lanky and at 6'4" he doesnt struggle with leverage, hes got natural lean and with some work in the weightroom he can develop a good bull rush to add to his solid repertoire of pass rush moves. He isnt the highest ceiling pick but I think he slides right into the rotation as an extremely effective edge rush specialist as a rookie and in the future he becomes a very solid starter at OLB, he wont be some demarcus ware or von miller but he could absolutely end up in a tamba hali/terrell suggs tier 2 range. Smells like an ozzie guy to me, we had an interview with him which i dont think means much but hes a likeable and high character guy, seems like the type who will leave a good impression on harbs and oz and he showed sincere enthusiasm over the prospects of a 34 team drafting him. 

Round 3 

Kentrell Brothers, LB.

hes a 3rd rounder because he isnt flashy at a devalued position, thats the long and short of it. unless youre myles jack or jaylon smith and you light up the highlight reels with spectacular athletic play then you wont be highly valued as an ILB/MLB. but brothers is a day 1 starter, daryl smith was stellar in coverage for a good while but he wasnt some top tier athletic specimen, he was smart, didnt play reactive and he anticipated very well, brothers does the same exact type of thing. he brings a lot of smarts to the field and he is able to beat the TE to their destination, or the RB, or the slot receiver, he sees the whole field when dropping in zone without losing track of the ball or the qb. he may get outran on occasion, but he will never get outsmarted, and the thing about this guy over the fast skinny mini coverage linebckers, is he brings the WOOD, players will be afraid of the middle of the field if he plays as well as i think he can, he will break up passes by laying hard hits to the cores of offensive players as they are reeling the ball in and make them play with alligator arms, he may force a good number of fumbles over his career by perfectly timing a big hit as well. 3 defensive starters in a row with this draft and at big need positions. 

Round 4 

Evan Boehm, C. 

doesnt have the reach that scouts love, but is one hell of a mauler and can shove guys into the 2nd level with ease, natural center so we wont have to worry about trying to convert him from G to C in a pinch and have jumbled snaps like we saw with urschel. 

Kenny Lawler, WR. 

falls due to lack of speed and other measurables. he is a long and tall wr who gains separation through shiftiness and he has some reach to snag some balls that are less than perfect. has concentration drops and wont beat anyone deep, but could be a very solid 3rd option, if our 2017 wr lineup begins with perriman and wallace and they are playing well then Lawler could be a good chain mover and redzone target. 

Charles Tapper, something up front.

what position is he? no clue honestly. he is freakishly strong with an insane first step, the problem is he has no lateral movement and very little agility, but the good news is that he is absolutely musclebound so with some proper weight training he could very well gain much better movement, i mean look at the guy, his arms nearly hang to his knees but his arms are still john cena levels of pumped, it explains his freakish strength on the field. hes a high character hometown kid who needs a lot of coaching and even some physical work, but if there is ever a defensive late round project we should want, its this guy. at 6'4" 260 and having ridiculous length and leverage he could become a good DE in nickel and dime formations, or even a DT for good interior penetration. he needs some work but his physical skill set is intriguing. 

 

as always i leave the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds out, but i expect us to find at least a special teamer, a rotational defender, and possibly a RB who convinces us to move on from LT and forsett and we go into 2017 with buck and the draft pick as our backfield. 

 

defense heavy but hits on needs and i tried to keep it as ozzie-like as possible, guys ozzie would consider fallers at their respective positions, at least the way i see it. i dont see any tackles worth a selection after ifedi in the 3rd but i think he goes in the 2nd which i would consider a reach even though i like him.

 

 

[GrimCoconut]

Lol, I literally thought this exact scenario. I planned on mocking VH3 & Calhoun to us with my final mock as it stands right now, so needless to say I think you hit it on the head here with your first two picks. Even the third pick makes a ton of sense to me. 

I like other OL better in the 4th, personally. Joe Dahl would be a good guard, and I like Beavers a lot. There are others as well. I am just lazy atm to list them. 

As for WR, I swear I love Kolby Listenbee for this team. I think he will be a perfect fit. If Perriman doesn't recover, we have a young deep threat. If he does recover and is a beast, we have a deep threat across from him. I think it's a win-win. I want me some Listerine--err...I mean Listenbee--for this team. Gotta wash that nasty taste of a high draft pick away!

[Tyler]

Would definitely be satisfied Hargreaves in the first. I would have actually mocked him to us if my gut wasn't telling me that I don't see the Ravens taking a DB in the 1st unless it's Ramsey. Solid mock.

[Edgar]

Just my gut reaction because sometimes these mocks grow on me.

I would be very disappointed if we take Calhoun and brothers where you have them.No way they are the two best available

[Somerset Ravens]

Your draft is good. Hargreaves and Brothers will be immediate contributors. I think Calhoun is a reach with the 36th pick, imo we could get much better value with this selection. I expected to see Schobert in your mock.

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

56 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Lol, I literally thought this exact scenario. I planned on mocking VH3 & Calhoun to us with my final mock as it stands right now, so needless to say I think you hit it on the head here with your first two picks. Even the third pick makes a ton of sense to me. 

I like other OL better in the 4th, personally. Joe Dahl would be a good guard, and I like Beavers a lot. There are others as well. I am just lazy atm to list them. 

As for WR, I swear I love Kolby Listenbee for this team. I think he will be a perfect fit. If Perriman doesn't recover, we have a young deep threat. If he does recover and is a beast, we have a deep threat across from him. I think it's a win-win. I want me some Listerine--err...I mean Listenbee--for this team. Gotta wash that nasty taste of a high draft pick away!

I like beavers too but I get the feeling he goes in the late 3rd, and obviously were going not picking there Lol.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Your draft is good. Hargreaves and Brothers will be immediate contributors. I think Calhoun is a reach with the 36th pick, imo we could get much better value with this selection. I expected to see Schobert in your mock.

 

 

Schobert is another guy I think goes late 3rd, I feel like nfl teams really like how clean and smart he plays and how quickly and decisively he pursues and closes in on the ball.

[edthehead]

I would not take him  @ 6 maybe trade back a bit,

his height came in at 5'9" - 5'10"

its only an inch but he is short this is why he might drop a little out the top 10

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I would not take him  @ 6 maybe trade back a bit,

his height came in at 5'9" - 5'10"

its only an inch but he is short this is why he might drop a little out the top 10

He measured at 5'10 and a fraction officially. And had a freakish vert and long jump. And was by far the most fluid db at the combine with the most natural hands and ball skills as well. 

 

He is the same height as some of the best corners in the league. Why do people still say 5'10" makes a short cb even though there's a long list of elite 5'10" corners and a very short list of elite corners over 6'1" ?

[GrimCoconut]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He measured at 5'10 and a fraction officially. And had a freakish vert and long jump. And was by far the most fluid db at the combine with the most natural hands and ball skills as well. 

 

He is the same height as some of the best corners in the league. Why do people still say 5'10" makes a short cb even though there's a long list of elite 5'10" corners and a very short list of elite corners over 6'1" ?

I gotta admit one thing I don't like about Hargreaves: I'm sure we'll start hearing about how he's "Cleats the III" from a certain member.

[JoeyFlex5]

22 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I gotta admit one thing I don't like about Hargreaves: I'm sure we'll start hearing about how he's "Cleats the III" from a certain member.

His tackling isn't great but I'd be more concerned if he was a safety. 

 

Even as a guy who tackles as a part time job, it appears better than Elam. He is very willing and he closes in lightning fast. He's also coachable and very smart unlike Elam who's about as sharp as a marble. I think tackling will come with time for him.

[52520Andrew]

34 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I gotta admit one thing I don't like about Hargreaves: I'm sure we'll start hearing about how he's "Cleats the III" from a certain member.

This fan agrees

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

This fan agrees

So who do you like at 6.. I've heard you go on and on about who you don't like, so how about a little less nitpicking and doom and gloom about our highest pick since 2000. Let's hear something positive from you.

[Dewy101]

Why VH3 over Buckner?

[RavensDieHard21]

I love Hargreaves as the ultimate safety net pick. He will be a very good corner, with elite lock down potential. Picking between him and Buckner is huge!!! Either one could be an instant star or at least within a few years, but it's hard to pass on a secondary with Jimmy, VH3, Weddle, and Webb. A ton of coverage skills and toughness will make our secondary far better than it has been in recent years. 

Calhoun is a lock to be there at 36 almost and could develop into a great player, but I hope for a flashier pick.BTW Great images lol  

[Jacquouille]

Interesting mock, as always. Funny that you came to prefer VH3 over Buckner (who's still my personnal favorite) and Calhoun in the 2nd. At least it's realistic, but I'm quite low on Calhoun as of now, he really lacks strength imo and gets swallowed when he doesn't get the edge.

Call me crazy but you can be greedier and wait for Brothers in the 4th, his combine really didn't help him ;) 

[usmccharles]

It makes sense, just doesn't thrill me with VH3, id rather have a better talent pass rusher, but i get it. 

The Titans pick really interest me, their DC will obviously really want Ramsey, but if im building that team, taking Tunsil then moving Lewan to RT will solidify that offensive line for years and help the young QB  and the run game.  But i can see it it either way.  Good write up

[Clmraven]

love all the players, not so sure about Calhoun at 36 I don't really see him as a first rounder like you do, more of a mid 2nd but if he fell to the end of the 2nd I'd gladly trade up for him.

[GrimCoconut]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His tackling isn't great but I'd be more concerned if he was a safety. 

 

Even as a guy who tackles as a part time job, it appears better than Elam. He is very willing and he closes in lightning fast. He's also coachable and very smart unlike Elam who's about as sharp as a marble. I think tackling will come with time for him.

I'm thinking my little joke was lost on you.

[edthehead]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He measured at 5'10 and a fraction officially. And had a freakish vert and long jump. And was by far the most fluid db at the combine with the most natural hands and ball skills as well. 

 

He is the same height as some of the best corners in the league. Why do people still say 5'10" makes a short cb even though there's a long list of elite 5'10" corners and a very short list of elite corners over 6'1" ?

I am not throwing him under the bus, 

for me again me, if I had a choice

I like ELI, size and speed, 2 things you either have or don't.

the rest can be coached up.

if we do not trade back call me crazy

but I like buckner over bosa if both was there.

if there is a trade back (RAMS) take him,

I like mocks that sparks a good conversation, so good mock 

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm thinking my little joke was lost on you.

When someone refers to a player as cleats I'm thinking of Elam and missed tackles in particular lol. Is that. It what you were referring to?

[JoeyFlex5]

49 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

love all the players, not so sure about Calhoun at 36 I don't really see him as a first rounder like you do, more of a mid 2nd but if he fell to the end of the 2nd I'd gladly trade up for him.

It's not that I see him as a first rounder. I have an early 2nd grade on him. It's just that I could see the ravens being very high on him.

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

When someone refers to a player as cleats I'm thinking of Elam and missed tackles in particular lol. Is that. It what you were referring to?

I was referring to a certain member who refers to Elam by that moniker. 

[JoeyFlex5]

28 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I am not throwing him under the bus, 

for me again me, if I had a choice

I like ELI, size and speed, 2 things you either have or don't.

the rest can be coached up.

if we do not trade back call me crazy

but I like buckner over bosa if both was there.

if there is a trade back (RAMS) take him,

I like mocks that sparks a good conversation, so good mock 

Ehh I see a bust in Apple. Horrible anticipation against route runners, he looks lost at times like he doesn't know where he should be. He seems bad in everything but close man coverage, if he gives a good amount of cushion then he looks tentative when the wr makes his first move, he isn't anything spectacular in press even though his size should suggest otherwise, he is a good athlete with great length but his cover skills and mental game just seem subpar to me and idk how coachable he is because he just doesn't appear to make good decisions and I question if he's got the head for the NFL. 

 

If I'm looking for a late first round height speed cb, give me wj3, he seems a lot more sound in coverage and mentally prepared to take the next step.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I was referring to a certain member who refers to Elam by that moniker. 

So you weren't referring to vh3s questions about tackling, just the fact that someone will refer to him as cleats by default? 

 

That's a big downside man, idk if I can handle all that, maybe I should change my pick...

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ehh I see a bust in Apple. Horrible anticipation against route runners, he looks lost at times like he doesn't know where he should be. He seems bad in everything but close man coverage, if he gives a good amount of cushion then he looks tentative when the wr makes his first move, he isn't anything spectacular in press even though his size should suggest otherwise, he is a good athlete with great length but his cover skills and mental game just seem subpar to me and idk how coachable he is because he just doesn't appear to make good decisions and I question if he's got the head for the NFL. 

 

If I'm looking for a late first round height speed cb, give me wj3, he seems a lot more sound in coverage and mentally prepared to take the next step.

To be fair, Apple helped eliminate Amari Cooper when Ohio State played and defeated Alabama in the 2015 Sugar Bowl. 

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

So you weren't referring to vh3s questions about tackling, just the fact that someone will refer to him as cleats by default? 

 

That's a big downside man, idk if I can handle all that, maybe I should change my pick...

Lol, yes. Joey, meet joke. 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Interesting mock, as always. Funny that you came to prefer VH3 over Buckner (who's still my personnal favorite) and Calhoun in the 2nd. At least it's realistic, but I'm quite low on Calhoun as of now, he really lacks strength imo and gets swallowed when he doesn't get the edge.

Call me crazy but you can be greedier and wait for Brothers in the 4th, his combine really didn't help him

He isn't the strongest but I wouldn't say he lacks functional strength. He plays with a nice punch to turn the tackles shoulder When he finds his opportunity to close in on the pocket, and a lot like suggs he combines anticipation, great quickness and agility, and solid technique to be a well rounded pass rushing threat. I've always thought he was a bit like suggs in the sense that he doesn't jump out in any one aspect but he gets the job done by combining multiple assets in one play, he doesn't rely on one tool in his belt. 

 

I will agree though that he's not a year 1 starter, but I think he's a year 1 impact player, and I think He is certainly coachable and has the tools to become a starter in the future.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

To be fair, Apple helped eliminate Amari Cooper when Ohio State played and defeated Alabama in the 2015 Sugar Bowl. 

Helped, every dog has its day lol. I also wanna point out that Blake Sims was atrocious in that game along with the Bama offense in general. 

 

Vonn bell providing the safety net and bosa/Bennett/Washington applying the pressure against a run first offense that's being forced to pass the ball with a scrambling qb is a recipe for disaster and I wouldn't judge a cb on that unless he played absolutely spectacular lol. 

 

If Apple becomes a good cb I won't necessarily be surprised, he's got the tools. Realistically every player is a question mark in terms of taking the next step mentally, but some more than others, I just think Apple may be in that category.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Why VH3 over Buckner?

I like buckner, but I have them ranked essentially the exact same. Both are high floor and high ceiling guys. With buckner I really don't like that he doesn't have a consistent lean, I think he's good enough in all aspects to be effective despite that, but long and tall DLs without natural lean concern me, they have a tendency to get stood up or put on skates against interior linemen. I think vh3s concerns over his height and reach are far overblown but buckners lack of consistent lean is real, so I find vh3 the safer prospect overall and looking at our team I think He provides the biggest impact and upgrade. It was a close call though because i like buckner for this team a lot and I think the ravens do too, I just don't know if they're gonna invest in another DT/DE with this high pick unless he's clear cut BPA