[News] Late For Work 3/28: 'Obvious' Ravens Picks In 2016 NFL Draft

[757RavensFan]

32 minutes ago, Bajan Raven said:

Not hating or anything, but I thought the flying of the national flag at Half-staff was only done for national/state events of mourning,,,,,just asking can someone enlighten me.

That only applies to US Flags on display at Govt or Federal owned buildings or facilities.  Privately and publicly owned facilities can fly the US Flag how they see fit.  

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Couple issues with this...

1. Philly isn't interested in a first round QB in this draft. They signed Bradford for two years, and more significantly, they added Chase Daniels at $7M a year. He's long been a favorite of Doug Pederson. I think they did both because they see what this class has to offer and don't like it one bit

2. I don't think the 49ers are interested in a QB either. And frankly, even if they are, it won't matter if Cleveland doesn't take one.

3. Saints are signing Brees to an extension. They're out of the 1st round QB market. Chargers just signed Rivers to one also. They're out as well.

There's basically five teams in this draft who would be in play for a first round QB:

Browns, 49ers, Rams, Jets, Broncos.

Browns and 49ers can basically pick whoever they want, leaving the other three to figure it out. Realistically, the Jets and Broncos are too far down to make a move up to 6. Doing that would certainly guarantee they give up multiple 1st rounders, likely an RGIII like package. Again, even an extremely QB needy team isn't going to do that unless they really feel like one of these guys is a game changer at QB, and there's no indications really any team feels that way.

That basically leaves the Rams, who, again, I don't think could pry #6 away from us without giving up a future 1st rounder.

As such, if Cleveland doesn't take a QB, there's really not a ton of motivation for the Rams to move to 6 if they have these QBs graded similarly, which it appears most teams do. Even if SF takes one at 7... the Rams can just sit back, wait, and take the next guy, because they know practically nobody ahead of them is coming up to get one, and nobody behind them has the ability to move up that high.

If I were the Rams, I'd focus on moving to the low teens but not inside the top 10. That more than likely would allow them to get the 2nd best QB in the draft, whoever they project there.

The Browns might think they have their QB in RG3. That would leave the Ravens as a prime trade candidate. Where the first Qb could be taken off the board. Teams, including the Eagles, risk everything for a franchise Qb. A trade in front of the 49ers would guarantee;  Wentz, Goff or Lynch...they get their pick. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

The Browns might think they have their QB in RG3. That would leave the Ravens as a prime trade candidate. Where the first Qb could be taken off the board. Teams, including the Eagles, risk everything for a franchise Qb. A trade in front of the 49ers would guarantee;  Wentz, Goff or Lynch...they get their pick. 

I doubt they think that, given the contract they gave him. They gave him a textbook "stopgap, lets see what you still got" type contract.

Teams no longer risk everything for franchise QBs... those days are over. Plus, it implies that this draft class even has a franchise QB available. By a lot of accounts, there isn't one.

 

[riseNConquer81]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Ramsey has very few interceptions, I'm not sure why we would want to import him if that is the case. I just don't see him as an advantage for us.

yea its college.
they only play 13 games a season, everybody is running a spread offense with lots of option, and college defenses are generally porous anyway. so if Ramsey is flawless in coverage, opponents spent all their time taking advantage of somebody else.

Its easy to be a good corner with no picks in college.

[ravensnj]

Brady -38 ,Brees-37, E. Manning- 35, Rivers -34 , Cutler-32

Old man time is catching up.

[riseNConquer81]

With Wallace joining the squad and presuming Perriman gets on the field and is actually useful there, the biggest need this team has is coverage ability...anywhere. Which makes Jack a cant lose proposition because we can play him just about anywhere. He's Deon Buchannon but with more prototypical linebacker size. I kinda think that should be our guy.

After that youthful pass rusher depth and an OL upgrade or two are the next best things.

[ravensnj]

  5 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

The Browns might think they have their QB in RG3. That would leave the Ravens as a prime trade candidate. Where the first Qb could be taken off the board. Teams, including the Eagles, risk everything for a franchise Qb. A trade in front of the 49ers would guarantee;  Wentz, Goff or Lynch...they get their pick. 

I doubt they think that, given the contract they gave him. They gave him a textbook "stopgap, lets see what you still got" type contract.

Teams no longer risk everything for franchise QBs... those days are over. Plus, it implies that this draft class even has a franchise QB available. By a lot of accounts, there isn't one.

I think fans greatly undervalue the cost of trading up to that spot, and I think fans are pretending like big trades like that happen all the time.

No one wins without a top QB. Ask the Jets.

[Maurice0094]

Espn Staff Writer- Vaughn McClure gave a outline of Courtney Upshaw's contract.
Upshaw signed just a one-year deal with the Falcons worth $1.25 million. Here is how the deal breaks down:

Base salary: $760,000

Signing bonus: $390,000

Roster bonus: $100,000 ($6,250 per game on 46-man roster)

Other: Up to $250,000 in incentives based on playing time (not likely to be earned)

So we might get that 3rd pick next year.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

No one wins without a top QB. Ask the Jets.

Did you literally just ignore the SB played less than two months ago?

There was no top QB on the Denver roster.

You also, again, ate ignoring the fact that it's highly questionable whether or not there's even a serviceable QB in this draft, let alone a top one.

If I were the Jets, I'd rather have Fitzpatrick than one of these guys. If I'm the 49ers, I'd rather roll with Kaepernick and Gabbert.

Edited March 28, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[sticks999]

  2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

The Browns might think they have their QB in RG3. That would leave the Ravens as a prime trade candidate. Where the first Qb could be taken off the board. Teams, including the Eagles, risk everything for a franchise Qb. A trade in front of the 49ers would guarantee;  Wentz, Goff or Lynch...they get their pick. 

I doubt they think that, given the contract they gave him. They gave him a textbook "stopgap, lets see what you still got" type contract.

Teams no longer risk everything for franchise QBs... those days are over. Plus, it implies that this draft class even has a franchise QB available. By a lot of accounts, there isn't one.

I think fans greatly undervalue the cost of trading up to that spot, and I think fans are pretending like big trades like that happen all the time.

No one wins without a top QB. Ask the Jets.

HUh, I thought we won a super Bowl in 2000? no?

[ravensnj]

43 minutes ago, sticks999 said:

HUh, I thought we won a super Bowl in 2000? no?

I mean consistently winning, year after year. Not a one year wonderful season as the Ravens, Broncos and Bears enjoyed. Look at the teams with above average quarterback play, they are almost always in the race.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I mean consistently winning, year after year. Not a one year wonderful season as the Ravens, Broncos and Bears enjoyed. Look at the teams with above average quarterback play, they are almost always in the race.

OK, and?

What does that have to do with teams trading up for a QB? Where's the Andrew Luck or Cam Newton in this class?

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Did you literally just ignore the SB played less than two months ago?

There was no top QB on the Denver roster.

You also, again, ate ignoring the fact that it's highly questionable whether or not there's even a serviceable QB in this draft, let alone a top one.

If I were the Jets, I'd rather have Fitzpatrick than one of these guys. If I'm the 49ers, I'd rather roll with Kaepernick and Gabbert.

I won't comment on your opinion of Manning. But, I would take Wentz over half of the current NFL Quarterbacks, after 6 NFL games it might be more.

[ravensnj]

  37 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I mean consistently winning, year after year. Not a one year wonderful season as the Ravens, Broncos and Bears enjoyed. Look at the teams with above average quarterback play, they are almost always in the race.

OK, and?

What does that have to do with teams trading up for a QB? Where's the Andrew Luck or Cam Newton in this class?

It has everything to do with teams trying to trade up with us. A franchise needs stability at the Qb position, there are no Luck 's or Newton's on the free agent market. The draft is pretty much the only place you can go.

[ravensnj]

  28 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I won't comment on your opinion of Manning. But, I would take Wentz over half of the current NFL Quarterbacks, after 6 NFL games it might be more.

LOL, you're definitely in the huge minority there. I don't even think the Browns believe that and they'll probably take him.

He wouldn't crack my top 25 given the tape I've seen on him. There's several backups I think are better.

We shall see. Thankfully, It won't be my problem, I have Joe!

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, ravensnj said:

It has everything to do with teams trying to trade up with us. A franchise needs stability at the Qb position, there are no Luck 's or Newton's on the free agent market. The draft is pretty much the only place you can go.

There's no Lucks or Newtons in this draft class either. The draft isn't the best place to go when the only solution is giving up multiple quality draft picks, potentially multiple first rounders, to get a guy who I'd bet won't be at that level ever.

It's called being patient. You're essentially advocating the Browns strategy of old...just keep drafting QBs early and pray one of them is good because you need one. 

Instead, perhaps investing your assets into getting the right guy, not just any guy.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

I'm just saying, the Ravens will be offered several picks for our spot. And the teams won't take heed to your personal opinion.

Neither you nor I have any vague clue what offers, if any, will be exchanged.

[JimmyBlack]

One guy the Ravens should pick is 

Le'Raven Clark

OT

6'5"

312

 

The name says everything!

[J.O.14]

Brady -38 ,Brees-37, E. Manning- 35, Rivers -34 , Cutler-32

Old man time is catching up.

Brady might play till he is 45. Maybe it's just me, but he doesn't look like he is showing any signs of age at all. Their offensive philosophy fits him perfect, and could make him very productive for the next 3-4 years AT LEAST. Get's the ball out quick, makes very good decisions, and keeps winning. Old man time isn't winning that battle.

[J.O.14]

With Wallace joining the squad and presuming Perriman gets on the field and is actually useful there, the biggest need this team has is coverage ability...anywhere. Which makes Jack a cant lose proposition because we can play him just about anywhere. He's Deon Buchannon but with more prototypical linebacker size. I kinda think that should be our guy.

After that youthful pass rusher depth and an OL upgrade or two are the next best things.

Jack is the prospect that I really hope falls to the Ravens. He would instantly upgrade our defense. Just imagining Mosely and Jack in the middle of our defense gives me goosebumps. Then maybe Spence in round 2.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, J.O.14 said:

Brady might play till he is 45. Maybe it's just me, but he doesn't look like he is showing any signs of age at all. Their offensive philosophy fits him perfect, and could make him very productive for the next 3-4 years AT LEAST. Get's the ball out quick, makes very good decisions, and keeps winning. Old man time isn't winning that battle.

Ive been saying this for awhile I don't see why some people don't view it the way you and I do.  The kind of QB he is, the system they are in, he can easily play a couple more years.  I see the Pats trying to build their Oline and protect him better, he continue to get the ball out quick, its not like he ever had a cannon so his physical tools will basically stay intact. 

7 minutes ago, J.O.14 said:

Jack is the prospect that I really hope falls to the Ravens. He would instantly upgrade our defense. Just imagining Mosely and Jack in the middle of our defense gives me goosebumps. Then maybe Spence in round 2.

Exactly.  I have been advocating for Jack for sometime now and view it the same way as you, him and Mosely could really do some damage over the years. 

[balfan23]

I thought Buckner was a DE. They are saying in the article that he's not a fit because he's an interior lineman and that is not a need for us. I think having one of the 3 players shown fall to us is about a 50-50 proposition and Buckner is a guy I thought we'd still be interested in, if that's who is left. Definitely will be watching draft night and praying to not hear these 3 names as the first 5 select.

[riseNConquer81]

5 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I thought Buckner was a DE. They are saying in the article that he's not a fit because he's an interior lineman and that is not a need for us. I think having one of the 3 players shown fall to us is about a 50-50 proposition and Buckner is a guy I thought we'd still be interested in, if that's who is left. Definitely will be watching draft night and praying to not hear these 3 names as the first 5 select.

Our defensive base is 3-4, and DEs (especially if they arent adept pass rushers) are interior linemen in a 3-4 scheme with OLBs taking the edges. 

Edited March 29, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I thought Buckner was a DE. They are saying in the article that he's not a fit because he's an interior lineman and that is not a need for us. I think having one of the 3 players shown fall to us is about a 50-50 proposition and Buckner is a guy I thought we'd still be interested in, if that's who is left. Definitely will be watching draft night and praying to not hear these 3 names as the first 5 select.

He's pretty much a prototype 3-4 DE. 

I think if we are looking for pass rush help, we may not be considering him strongly because typically DE's in a 3-4 scheme aren't as likely to put up huge sack numbers like you'd expect.

I'm intrigued by him, mostly because there's really been nothing concrete to link him to us. All of the other top prospects have taken meetings with the Ravens... he has not. I think we could easily upgrade our defensive line, and him lined up with Williams and Jernigan long term would be outstanding.

I'm just not convinced we are giving him a ton of serious thought though.