Biggest steals/Biggest Busts

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

Demarcus Robinson is going to be a steal!! His drama is behind him now and he is working hard and focused. His skills are very similar to Diggs. Very slippery and elusive, instant acceleration, fluid and can extend to make acrobatic catches. Incredibly  slippery!! His moves are lightning fast!! makes great dbacks look bad. Leaves tackles confused what  happened. Engram could teach him details and he would be pro bowl caliber. He would make up for losing Diggs. Maryland wanted him as well. Ravens could get him in early round4 and he could very well outperform every receiver in this draft. Ron Stanley, Spence ,Jaylon Smith or Jones,Demarcus Robinson. Let's get to outdrafting every opponent in this league!! And he is intelligent and dedicated to  walking a line. Cut off all communications with old friends. I want ravens to draft him bad. As much as wanted Diggs.

Your idea of drafting players is: find players with huge red flags and draft them in the mid rounds because it's safe to assume that their red flags are all overblown or smokescreens. 

 

Nkemdiche is the biggest head case I've ever seen in the draft. Demarcus Robinson was suspended repeatedly and honestly doesn't look impressive enough to even overlook the red flags. Stanley is rumored to have no work ethic at all. Spence who i like but he was expelled from his conference for drugs. Jaylon who may never be 100% Again.. 

 

You just post a list of 5 or 6 players all with red flags and call them steals and say we need them.

[Winchester]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Your idea of drafting players is: find players with huge red flags and draft them in the mid rounds because it's safe to assume that their red flags are all overblown or smokescreens. 

 

Nkemdiche is the biggest head case I've ever seen in the draft. Demarcus Robinson was suspended repeatedly and honestly doesn't look impressive enough to even overlook the red flags. Stanley is rumored to have no work ethic at all. Spence who i like but he was expelled from his conference for drugs. Jaylon who may never be 100% Again.. 

 

You just post a list of 5 or 6 players all with red flags and call them steals and say we need them.

 

As opposed to red flags of players who do not have the skill or athleticism to be standouts. Or older players on the decline and hoping their bad season's were flukes and will rebound at 30+??You are fine with those kinds of red flags??  But those players are bargains??And I'm not being sarcastic here. Just trying to completely understand where you are coming from and what your problem lays. Because you are a big fan of Spence. You have hopes for Suggs and Perriman returning from injuries. Im looking for something from perriman as well. But signing a 30 yr old former burner is not not showing confidence in perriman. Anyways i Never said there was no red flags. And I do not like and would not trust just any player with drama. And remember these are kids barely 20 yrs old. So that is why you want to get to know the players full story. And realize young 19-20 yr olds do immature  things. And who said Ron Stanley has no work ethic?? The fact he is a real actual college student shows some kind of work ethic in my opinion.And when did I say assume every players rep was a smokescreen??  For the record every player has cons. Be it character or play performance. Like Buckner being manhandled by Conklin or Hargreaves getting toasted repeatedly. But you always need to determine your taste if you like the player or not. If the players character and  play flaws will show its face and make him unsuccessful in the nfl.  My opinion Jaylon will return to form. Demarcus logos good and will get far better the more he plays. Calling Nkemdiche the biggest head case ever is quite a stretch you think?? Yeah he has his drama but there has been some real impressive crazy people in the nfl. lol Ray Rice is right there with him.I have a reason for trusting every player I named. Rashard Robinson is an elite talent I would not want cuz his behavior  will be typical in my opinion. I did not want Ray Rice is vermin I did not want back even if he were in his prime!!

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

As opposed to red flags of players who do not have the skill or athleticism to be standouts. Or older players on the decline and hoping their bad season's were flukes and will rebound at 30+??You are fine with those kinds of red flags??  But those players are bargains??And I'm not being sarcastic here. Just trying to completely understand where you are coming from and what your problem lays. Because you are a big fan of Spence. You have hopes for Suggs and Perriman returning from injuries. Im looking for something from perriman as well. But signing a 30 yr old former burner is not not showing confidence in perriman. Anyways i Never said there was no red flags. And I do not like and would not trust just any player with drama. And remember these are kids barely 20 yrs old. So that is why you want to get to know the players full story. And realize young 19-20 yr olds do immature  things. And who said Ron Stanley has no work ethic?? The fact he is a real actual college student shows some kind of work ethic in my opinion.And when did I say assume every players rep was a smokescreen??  For the record every player has cons. Be it character or play performance. Like Buckner being manhandled by Conklin or Hargreaves getting toasted repeatedly. But you always need to determine your taste if you like the player or not. If the players character and  play flaws will show its face and make him unsuccessful in the nfl.  My opinion Jaylon will return to form. Demarcus logos good and will get far better the more he plays. Calling Nkemdiche the biggest head case ever is quite a stretch you think?? Yeah he has his drama but there has been some real impressive crazy people in the nfl. lol Ray Rice is right there with him.I have a reason for trusting every player I named. Rashard Robinson is an elite talent I would not want cuz his behavior  will be typical in my opinion. I did not want Ray Rice is vermin I did not want back even if he were in his prime!!

Just because a player is in the mid rounds doesn't mean there is no skill there. I kinda question your ability to cast a wide net and watch lesser name players and form your own opinion, because you only speak on the biggest names. 2nd round you talk about a guy who was once #1 ranked, 3rd round you talk about jaylon smith, 5th round And later you talk about Robinson who was once projected in the early 2nd. It sounds like you only care about the big names and you disregard red flags and if you think you can get a big name talented head case in a mid round then you should disregard other talented lower profile guys. 

 

For every tyrann Mathieu or Justin houston there's probably 10 Randy gregorys. Would you have wanted to pass up a Brandon Williams or Pernell mcphee or Arthur Jones or Crockett Gilmore for a Randy Gregory who's now facing a suspension and everyone saw it coming? Or a daquan Bowers who slid due to injury and barely ever saw the field as a result? You only recognize big names and when they slide for legitimate concerns you scream and shout about how he's worth the risk, but not when you consider the possible talents you miss out on.

[RavensDieHard21]

59 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Just because a player is in the mid rounds doesn't mean there is no skill there. I kinda question your ability to cast a wide net and watch lesser name players and form your own opinion, because you only speak on the biggest names. 2nd round you talk about a guy who was once #1 ranked, 3rd round you talk about jaylon smith, 5th round And later you talk about Robinson who was once projected in the early 2nd. It sounds like you only care about the big names and you disregard red flags and if you think you can get a big name talented head case in a mid round then you should disregard other talented lower profile guys. 

 

For every tyrann Mathieu or Justin houston there's probably 10 Randy gregorys. Would you have wanted to pass up a Brandon Williams or Pernell mcphee or Arthur Jones or Crockett Gilmore for a Randy Gregory who's now facing a suspension and everyone saw it coming? Or a daquan Bowers who slid due to injury and barely ever saw the field as a result? You only recognize big names and when they slide for legitimate concerns you scream and shout about how he's worth the risk, but not when you consider the possible talents you miss out on.

I legitimately believe that talented red flag players are only worth it if they display tremendous work ethic and appear to have things back in control, whether it be their personal life or their health/ injuries. Generally, I see our first three picks as being the most important as lock on contributors for years, but past that in the 4th and onward, some red flag players can be worth the gamble if their potential is better than whoever is left on the board, such as if Jaylon Smith was available at our 4th, I'd see that as a solid steal if he ever came back to even 80%. 

[Winchester]

34 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Just because a player is in the mid rounds doesn't mean there is no skill there. I kinda question your ability to cast a wide net and watch lesser name players and form your own opinion, because you only speak on the biggest names. 2nd round you talk about a guy who was once #1 ranked, 3rd round you talk about jaylon smith, 5th round And later you talk about Robinson who was once projected in the early 2nd. It sounds like you only care about the big names and you disregard red flags and if you think you can get a big name talented head case in a mid round then you should disregard other talented lower profile guys. 

 

For every tyrann Mathieu or Justin houston there's probably 10 Randy gregorys. Would you have wanted to pass up a Brandon Williams or Pernell mcphee or Arthur Jones or Crockett Gilmore for a Randy Gregory who's now facing a suspension and everyone saw it coming? Or a daquan Bowers who slid due to injury and barely ever saw the field as a result? You only recognize big names and when they slide for legitimate concerns you scream and shout about how he's worth the risk, but not when you consider the possible talents you miss out on.

Forget big names I recognize game changer skills. Players that are needed to win superbowls. Not solid players that may get you a playoff spot and exit. Will trade solid players all day to take swings at game changers. The ravens need game changer talents. Not more Gilmores and mcphees. And name the 10 Randy Gregorys for one Justin Houstons. And what does on a rival team is not always standardized what he will do under Harbs. That is like saying a girl or guy cheated on his or her partner And will  cheat on next one as well. NOPE. He or she could, but Different person different set of values,rules and respect. Guys give up weed and childish things for the  girl that wows him. A girl may take a little better care of herself for the right guy she respects more and is into more. A player could keep himself straight for a coach  And teammates he respects and wants to play and win with. I never saw a mock with Robinson projected to round2. Most say like you. Talented but not elite enough  to overlook his previous  drama. My opinion he is an elite talent. And I like many players not big names. But only when i see potential pro bowl talent or a better than solid cornerback. When I say better than average I'm not referring to a solid player hyped up as better than average like Gilmore. when ravens restock some alpha males and near all pro caliber players then I will be on board with depth players and solid players. 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Forget big names I recognize game changer skills. Players that are needed to win superbowls. Not solid players that may get you a playoff spot and exit. Will trade solid players all day to take swings at game changers. The ravens need game changer talents. Not more Gilmores and mcphees. And name the 10 Randy Gregorys for one Justin Houstons. And what does on a rival team is not always standardized what he will do under Harbs. That is like saying a girl or guy cheated on his or her partner And will  cheat on next one as well. NOPE. He or she could, but Different person different set of values,rules and respect. Guys give up weed and childish things for the  girl that wows him. A girl may take a little better care of herself for the right guy she respects more and is into more. A player could keep himself straight for a coach  And teammates he respects and wants to play and win with. I never saw a mock with Robinson projected to round2. Most say like you. Talented but not elite enough  to overlook his previous  drama. My opinion he is an elite talent. And I like many players not big names. But only when i see potential pro bowl talent or a better than solid cornerback. When I say better than average I'm not referring to a solid player hyped up as better than average like Gilmore. when ravens restock some alpha males and near all pro caliber players then I will be on board with depth players and solid players. 

I know what your trying to say but i think your premise is off here.  Role players are exactly what you need on a championship team.  Its not like your going to have a team with Watt, Revis, Von Miller, Sherman, Chancellor....etc, im sure you see where im going.  Yes you need corner stone pieces but you need role players. Whats wrong with Gilmore, he was on pace for a better season the Pitta's best season, but he got hurt obviously.  And you cant use the health card there as many times as you protect Camp with that. 

I think you underestimate the importance of role players thinking we need HoFers at every position. 

Sidenote: what would it take for you to use paragraphs? Klondike bar?

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Forget big names I recognize game changer skills. Players that are needed to win superbowls. Not solid players that may get you a playoff spot and exit. Will trade solid players all day to take swings at game changers. The ravens need game changer talents. Not more Gilmores and mcphees. And name the 10 Randy Gregorys for one Justin Houstons. And what does on a rival team is not always standardized what he will do under Harbs. That is like saying a girl or guy cheated on his or her partner And will  cheat on next one as well. NOPE. He or she could, but Different person different set of values,rules and respect. Guys give up weed and childish things for the  girl that wows him. A girl may take a little better care of herself for the right guy she respects more and is into more. A player could keep himself straight for a coach  And teammates he respects and wants to play and win with. I never saw a mock with Robinson projected to round2. Most say like you. Talented but not elite enough  to overlook his previous  drama. My opinion he is an elite talent. And I like many players not big names. But only when i see potential pro bowl talent or a better than solid cornerback. When I say better than average I'm not referring to a solid player hyped up as better than average like Gilmore. when ravens restock some alpha males and near all pro caliber players then I will be on board with depth players and solid players. 

But we won a super bowl with mcphee and Kruger as our primary pass rushers, a journeyman burner in torrey smith, a 4th round TE who was an absolute stud for us, a 5th round starter in Arthur Jones who was our best DT that season, jameel McClain and dannell ellerbe and and McClellan as our rotating ILBs for most of the regular season, and Cary Williams as our starting corner.

 

Yeah, good luck winning big games with solid starters from the mid rounds. You're totally right, you can only win super bowls with big flashy "alpha males" across the board. Boy if only there was no salary cap and we had multiple first round picks every year, then we wouldn't have this problem... Oh wait, this is the nfl, where players get suspended for acting like idiots on and off the field and you have limited resources and can't afford to waste said resources on players who won't see the field. 

 

And look at mock drafts and big boards from the start of the college season, Robinson was getting hype as a top 5 player in his position before the suspension.

[Winchester]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

I know what your trying to say but i think your premise is off here.  Role players are exactly what you need on a championship team.  Its not like your going to have a team with Watt, Revis, Von Miller, Sherman, Chancellor....etc, im sure you see where im going.  Yes you need corner stone pieces but you need role players. Whats wrong with Gilmore, he was on pace for a better season the Pitta's best season, but he got hurt obviously.  And you cant use the health card there as many times as you protect Camp with that. 

I think you underestimate the importance of role players thinking we need HoFers at every position. 

Sidenote: what would it take for you to use paragraphs? Klondike bar?

Every superbowl team has alpha males. Role players help but no team wins a championship with only role players. Role players have a role but are replaceable and come a dime a dozen. Players that great offenses and defenses are built around are harder to find and more important. Ravens have solid role players but no longer have any elite players that superbowl teams are built around that changes the complexion of the team. Do not need Calvin Johnson's watts or millers but players close to that. 

[Maryland]

Demarcus Robinson seemed pretty overrated even when he was being heralded as a day-2 pick, before getting kicked off the team. Always seemed too slow to get separation reliably.

And it's pretty hard to get kicked off the team at UF, like seriously, you need to make the same dumb mistake repeatedly to get kicked off UF. He's probably another Will Hill--too immature to make it in the NFL. 

[Winchester]

Robin would be nothing without batman. Teams overpay robins and #3 receivers on a great offense and he Robyn is no longer a hero when hebis not beside batman 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Every superbowl team has alpha males. Role players help but no team wins a championship with only role players. Role players have a role but are replaceable and come a dime a dozen. Players that great offenses and defenses are built around are harder to find and more important. Ravens have solid role players but no longer have any elite players that superbowl teams are built around that changes the complexion of the team. Do not need Calvin Johnson's watts or millers but players close to that. 

Roleplayers make up the good teams, sure you have a couple guys that are at the top of their game, but when you piece certain players together that gell well and have chemistry is when you build a championship teams.  Role players are not a dime a dozen, if that was the case the Pats would have a hell of a lot more SB rings than they already do.  I always seem to laugh when you say Alpha Males, makes me think if we kept KO you would be pounding the table like skip bayless for SB bound

[Winchester]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But we won a super bowl with mcphee and Kruger as our primary pass rushers, a journeyman burner in torrey smith, a 4th round TE who was an absolute stud for us, a 5th round starter in Arthur Jones who was our best DT that season, jameel McClain and dannell ellerbe and and McClellan as our rotating ILBs for most of the regular season, and Cary Williams as our starting corner.

 

Yeah, good luck winning big games with solid starters from the mid rounds. You're totally right, you can only win super bowls with big flashy "alpha males" across the board. Boy if only there was no salary cap and we had multiple first round picks every year, then we wouldn't have this problem... Oh wait, this is the nfl, where players get suspended for acting like idiots on and off the field and you have limited resources and can't afford to waste said resources on players who won't see the field. 

 

And look at mock drafts and big boards from the start of the college season, Robinson was getting hype as a top 5 player in his position before the suspension.

Again you need to put  words in my mouth for your words to hold water. Did I say all pros across the board?? I clearly said a couple of them are necessary. But you can live in your fairy tale world where role players across the board wins a superbowl. I do not steadily look at mock drafts and big boards year round. If you do more power to you. I hear names and ask for their games to watch  And watch them when I get a minute. I do not care about big boards and silly mocks. Only needed to see top10talents get dominated one year by mid rounders to realize big boards and mocks are a joke. Fun to read here but that is it.

Edited April 4, 2016 by Winchester

[Winchester]

22 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Roleplayers make up the good teams, sure you have a couple guys that are at the top of their game, but when you piece certain players together that gell well and have chemistry is when you build a championship teams.  Role players are not a dime a dozen, if that was the case the Pats would have a hell of a lot more SB rings than they already do.  I always seem to laugh when you say Alpha Males, makes me think if we kept KO you would be pounding the table like skip bayless for SB bound

Yes a couple elite players and solid role players like I said. Alpha males are the top of the chain.

[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Again you need to put  words in my mouth for your words to hold water. Did I say all pros across the board?? I clearly said a couple of them are necessary. But you can live in your fairy tale world where role players across the board wins a superbowl. I do not steadily look at mock drafts and big boards year round. If you do more power to you. I hear names and ask for their games to watch  And watch them when I get a minute. I do not care about big boards and silly mocks. Only needed to see top10talents get dominated one year by mid rounders to realize big boards and mocks are a joke. Fun to read here but that is it.

Robinson was once heralded as a 2nd rounder, a pretty consensus thought as well, take it or leave it not like I care. 

 

If I live in a fairy tale world then what world is it when you think tunsil at 6th overall and paying a guard LT money will be possible and practically guarantee a super bowl? What world is that? Because up until you decided for yourself that tunsil was on steroids you were all aboard that train as if he would even be available and you thought KO deserved whatever paycheck he desired and that we should've given it to him. Now nkemdiche is gonna rectify his problems and be worthy of a trade up from the 2nd round, and demarcus Robinson who is by all means AVERAGE should be a mid round priority for us as if it's no big deal that he was kicked off of his college team for being far more than just some young knucklehead. 

 

I live in a fantasy land though.. You're right. Are your inside sources from all over the league telling you that Robinson is gonna be a model citizen and all pro or something?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

Robin would be nothing without batman. Teams overpay robins and #3 receivers on a great offense and he Robyn is no longer a hero when hebis not beside batman 

1. Robin is a master of hand to hand combat without batman and honestly could beat the crap out of half of batman's villains easily. Every child robin is an elite hand to hand fighter. Dick Grayson was the leader of the Titans, a superhero group that has saved the earth countless times. Jason Todd turned into one of Batman's most dangerous villains, TIm Drake quit on Batman after Bruce died. And all three are some of the most feared fighters in the entire DC universe. But I guess I'm a nerd because I read comics as a kid right? That statement is beyond foolish because Batman ensures that robin is more than capable in case something ever happens to him. Sure, Batman trained most of them(Dick Grayson was already a semi-skilled fighter, and Damian Wayne was trained by Ra's al Ghul to murder people from age 3. Holy crap I know more than I should), but all three of them are capable in their own rights. 

 

What's beside the point is that Batman needs the Robins. And Oracle. He's just a man. Just like how this team needs role players. Every team does.

2. We have a few "alpha males". Brandon Williams is a monster of a man, Jernigan, CJ, Dumervill is only a pass rusher, and now add freaking Weddle to the list. Sure, we lose Hill, who was an idiot, but we aren't lacking in that department. A Myles Jack, or a Bosa, could help with that.  But the importance of role players is very underrated. We need more of them. I've gone in-depth about this. The defense lacks depth. It just does. No pass rushing depth, no corner depth. We need more. This draft is the perfect depth draft. 

3. As for sticking to the topic. Thomas Durate from UCLA could be a steal. Looks like a move TE. Reminds me a bit of a poor man's Pitta. Biggest bust is easy? Derrick Henry. Not fluid, bad hips, poor vision, stiff, runs upright. Not too sure about Spencer either, and I'm not a Jaelen Ramsey fan like the rest of the boards. 

Edited April 4, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[usmccharles]

40 minutes ago, Winchester said:

It is called get out in the world a little and off big boards. You Jay meet some people. For the recordmi did not decide for myself Tunsil is roided. But I believe it. As far as my sources. It is a funny thing you have defined muscles a tan and a positive outlook the high profile people that will talk to you as an equal.  Not treat you  like a beer belly fan groupie autograph seeker. Oh having a really hot gf helps them associate with you as an equal to

seriously.....

[Winchester]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

seriously.....

Tell me about it!! He seems to care so much about who I met. I needed to explain it to him how it is I seem to meet a lot of people. So yeah seriously. ......

[usmccharles]

Just now, Winchester said:

Tell me about it!! He seems to care so much about who I met. I needed to explain it to him how it is I seem to meet a lot of people. So yeah seriously. ......

Well I can share his criticism, you make a lot of claims to unreported info.  While I nor anyone else would expect you to name a source, you have to look at it from our point of view: another keyboard warrior with "inside" info.  Especially when you state that someone is taking roids as a fact and not your opinion, But to each their own.  If you being in shape having a hot gf gets you to meet people...awesome.

 

Back on topic. Yannick Ngakoue.  Can someone explain to me why he isn't a late first rounder.  Not exactly sure what his projection is, I know people on here love him because hes home made.  He looks like he could be a good player. 

[Winchester]

25 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

1. Robin is a master of hand to hand combat without batman and honestly could beat the crap out of half of batman's villains easily. Every child robin is an elite hand to hand fighter. Dick Grayson was the leader of the Titans, a superhero group that has saved the earth countless times. Jason Todd turned into one of Batman's most dangerous villains, TIm Drake quit on Batman after Bruce died. And all three are some of the most feared fighters in the entire DC universe. But I guess I'm a nerd because I read comics as a kid right? That statement is beyond foolish because Batman ensures that robin is more than capable in case something ever happens to him. Sure, Batman trained most of them(Dick Grayson was already a semi-skilled fighter, and Damian Wayne was trained by Ra's al Ghul to murder people from age 3. Holy crap I know more than I should), but all three of them are capable in their own rights. 

 

What's beside the point is that Batman needs the Robins. And Oracle. He's just a man. Just like how this team needs role players. Every team does.

2. We have a few "alpha males". Brandon Williams is a monster of a man, Jernigan, CJ, Dumervill is only a pass rusher, and now add freaking Weddle to the list. Sure, we lose Hill, who was an idiot, but we aren't lacking in that department. A Myles Jack, or a Bosa, could help with that.  But the importance of role players is very underrated. We need more of them. I've gone in-depth about this. The defense lacks depth. It just does. No pass rushing depth, no corner depth. We need more. This draft is the perfect depth draft. 

3. As for sticking to the topic. Thomas Durate from UCLA could be a steal. Looks like a move TE. Reminds me a bit of a poor man's Pitta. Biggest bust is easy? Derrick Henry. Not fluid, bad hips, poor vision, stiff, runs upright. Not too sure about Spencer either, and I'm not a Jaelen Ramsey fan like the rest of the boards. 

 

When we talk alpha male in football it is code for top playmakers. For most part. Do you want me to beat Robyn up to show he needs batman. It is not Robyn vs superman.  Williams needs a couple more sacks and pressures to be in that Atkins Donald Suh playmaker class. Jernigan could make the leap. If he could play full tilt violent for 60 snaps a game or more he would be there close to Atkins and Donald. Cj could Be in that in crowd but was not even close this season. Dumervil is getting older and not the same. I'm not a Jalen  fan myself unless we're talking J smith!! RON Stanley and J Smith is Ogden Ray Lewis 2016!! Or even Ron Stanley Deion Jones. Then Ridgely and Harlan Miller Demarcus Robinson to fill rounds1-4. Ideal would be trade back and pick up annextra round2 pick while getting Stanley. And use that pick on Spence or Correa. I do not like Buckner. Gets production agsinst smaller schools and was kicked out of the nightclub by Conklin. Not a big fan of Hargreaves but I root for'em

[trevorsteadman]

If we were to draft players everyone in the draft with red flags I can easily say we will turn out like Blue Mountain State when all their starters got banned from the title game. It is easy to say that they are better than other players when no one knows what kind of player they will be. To me we need to stay away from guys with off the field because they are just as unreliable and miss as many games as other players do because of injury. But I respect it less because at least those players going out there and getting injured are putting their body on the line for the team to make positive progress, while players with off the field issues are, for the most case, selfish. We tried with Rolando McClain and we have tried with Will Hill. Hill lasted a bit longer but in the end both are not on this team anymore because they are selfish. And Boyle just dug himself a great hole with what he is done and the tight end depth we have. I believe we have the 'alpha males' to make it to the play offs already on the roster. Steve Smith Sr., Marshal Yanda, Jimmy Smith, Brandon Williams, CJ Mosely, Eric Weddle, and Terrell Suggs. What we need is stronger depth because when these guys go down a game or two it has been proven we get ran over.

 

I honestly believe the Suggs injury is what started us off so poorly. It took so long for Pees and the defense to adapt to losing their 2nd best pass rusher and an edge guy. Around week 7 or 8 is when the defense started to finally adapt without Suggs and in the 2nd half of the season we had the 2nd rated defense. I think we were, talent-wise, good enough to get to the play offs but games fell in the other team's favor instead of ours several times, which had gone our favor in previous years. To me you draft BPA and you avoid red flags. Some players have done enough to take the asterisks off their name,but others not so much. What we need is to stay healthy and develop quality depth so if one or more of our 'alpha males' are out a couple games that we can still win ball games. The Cowboys invested too much in red flags between Hardy and Gregory and look out how bad of a situation their defense is in now.

[trevorsteadman]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Well I can share his criticism, you make a lot of claims to unreported info.  While I nor anyone else would expect you to name a source, you have to look at it from our point of view: another keyboard warrior with "inside" info.  Especially when you state that someone is taking roids as a fact and not your opinion, But to each their own.  If you being in shape having a hot gf gets you to meet people...awesome.

 

Back on topic. Yannick Ngakoue.  Can someone explain to me why he isn't a late first rounder.  Not exactly sure what his projection is, I know people on here love him because hes home made.  He looks like he could be a good player. 

While I am not the person to project how high a player should go.. It seems like he is a player to go in the third round to other people on these boards. He is one of my favorite players in that area though.

Edited April 4, 2016 by trevorsteadman

[jazz1988]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

When we talk alpha male in football it is code for top playmakers. For most part. Do you want me to beat Robyn up to show he needs batman. It is not Robyn vs superman.  Williams needs a couple more sacks and pressures to be in that Atkins Donald Suh playmaker class. Jernigan could make the leap. If he could play full tilt violent for 60 snaps a game or more he would be there close to Atkins and Donald. Cj could Be in that in crowd but was not even close this season. Dumervil is getting older and not the same. I'm not a Jalen  fan myself unless we're talking J smith!! RON Stanley and J Smith is Ogden Ray Lewis 2016!! Or even Ron Stanley Deion Jones. Then Ridgely and Harlan Miller Demarcus Robinson to fill rounds1-4. Ideal would be trade back and pick up annextra round2 pick while getting Stanley. And use that pick on Spence or Correa. I do not like Buckner. Gets production agsinst smaller schools and was kicked out of the nightclub by Conklin. Not a big fan of Hargreaves but I root for'em

 

it's hard to really tell if Doom isn't the same. He had 6 sacks and 20+ quarterback hurries in 2015 while every body else wasn't consistent  at all as pass rushers.Doom could easily put up 17 sacks again  with another talented outside linebacker added to the mix that can set the edge like Upshaw along with providing  pass rush support like McPhee.

 

[trevorsteadman]

49 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

it's hard to really tell if Doom isn't the same. He had 6 sacks and 20+ quarterback hurries in 2015 while every body else wasn't consistent  at all as pass rushers.Doom could easily put up 17 sacks again  with another talented outside linebacker added to the mix that can set the edge like Upshaw along with providing  pass rush support like McPhee.

 

Dumervil was also forced to bulk up because he had to take a lot more snaps with Suggs down. And with nobody as a threat on the other side there is a reason he only had 6. The 20+ quarterback hurries proves he still provides good pressure. I think Dumervil got better against the run this year and nobody was talking about it. Nobody else on the team really provided pressure at all which makes me wonder how the 2nd half of the season we had the 2nd best passing defense... Apparently the secondary took a step up.

[52520Andrew]

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

seriously.....

You didn't know he has talked to Harbaugh countless times about all the draft prospects even though Harbaugh doesn't like talking about football to random fans that come up to him? Harbaugh is easily swayed by muscular people with good tans and good looking girlfriends obviously.

[thieverycorporation]

All players are role players. To what extent varies. I'd take a Mcphee in our scheme as opposed to not selecting or acquiring him @ all. Most of our selected players flourish here and founder elsewhere. Best Player Available being scheme specific holds more weight for us. I understand both arguments. Without keynote players in place I'd prefer to see an evolution in the process of selecting players that will overhaul the current roster from serviceable to elite in being durable, reliable, cerebral with sound technique with a bite of Hybrid stamped into the line up. A Myles Jack, Sua Cravens, E.Elliot, Shepard, Boyd, tackle/guard, safety/cornerback, QB with pocket poise/above average scrambler would bode well for the draft. The more they can do the better the fit.

[OldToby]

Not sold on Floyd as a full time 3-4 OLB. I would rather play him in the middle, or outside in nickle. Can't deny his athleticism, or football IQ though. I project him being a better pro than Dion Jordan and Mingo. 

Edited April 4, 2016 by OldToby

[Winchester]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

it's hard to really tell if Doom isn't the same. He had 6 sacks and 20+ quarterback hurries in 2015 while every body else wasn't consistent  at all as pass rushers.Doom could easily put up 17 sacks again  with another talented outside linebacker added to the mix that can set the edge like Upshaw along with providing  pass rush support like McPhee.

 

My opinion Dumervil could be effective as the #2 edge rusher across a dominant  edge rusher. But I do not see a 17 sack season again. To be honest dude Dumervil always frustrated me. He racked up sacks on liability  tackles. Then struggle with big or athletic strong tackles. I was in favor of a young explosive edge rusher since the ravens lost to pasties in the playoff game. The secondary and peas took the heat for that game but there were many plays Brady held the ball 5 seconds and longer and  Suggs Dumervil were blocked 1on1 and failed. I liked daneel Hunter in the draft. Ravens could of moved up to early round3

[KBoum]

Danielle Hunter is a freak. He needs coaching tho but his combine was very good. He needs coaching tho.. I wanted him SO BAD but I think he was a bit of a reach

 

Edit : I remember tho how I think it was Mayock who said this kid is impressive. I havent watched him how is he doing

Edited April 4, 2016 by KBoum

[jazz1988]

32 minutes ago, Winchester said:

My opinion Dumervil could be effective as the #2 edge rusher across a dominant  edge rusher. But I do not see a 17 sack season again. To be honest dude Dumervil always frustrated me. He racked up sacks on liability  tackles. Then struggle with big or athletic strong tackles. I was in favor of a young explosive edge rusher since the ravens lost to pasties in the playoff game. The secondary and peas took the heat for that game but there were many plays Brady held the ball 5 seconds and longer and  Suggs Dumervil were blocked 1on1 and failed. I liked daneel Hunter in the draft. Ravens could of moved up to early round3

 

   I really have no real reason to believe Doom can't  reach 17 sacks again unless him getting older really makes a difference. I'm not really all that frustrated at all with Doom  because at the end of the day you can't have one good or dominant pass rusher in this league with out help. I don't think Von Miller is nearly as effective in the super bowl or in 2015 with out Demarcus Ware. I can't even forget about the other players The Broncos had  especially on their defensive line such as Derek Wolfe and  Malik Jackson. 

 

  If Doom is getting struggling with big or athletic strong tackles well that shouldn't  stop the other three pass rushers from getting to the quarterback .When speak about The Patriots it's the same game where The Patriots was force to use a  trick play that's not even legal in The NFl any more to help their offense gain the edge. The defense must have being something right because it also was  a trick play in which The Patriots came up with before the regular season but didn't have a need for until then.

 

 I really don't remember Brady holding the ball that long in the game because I thought for sure I saw Brady getting  the ball off fast to his receivers on screens and etc. What really killed The Ravens in that game was the secondary not tackling well and getting fooled on trick plays.

Edited April 4, 2016 by jazz1988

[Winchester]

14 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

You didn't know he has talked to Harbaugh countless times about all the draft prospects even though Harbaugh doesn't like talking about football to random fans that come up to him? Harbaugh is easily swayed by muscular people with good tans and good looking girlfriends obviously.

 

Something you never experienced obviously