Biggest steals/Biggest Busts

[Dame2]

Eddie Jackson from Alabama could be the Ed Reed type of player bet on it.

[GrimCoconut]

7 hours ago, Dame2 said:

Eddie Jackson from Alabama could be the Ed Reed type of player bet on it.

I am pretty sure he returned to the Crimson Tide. 

[Winchester]

9 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Im intrigued on where Fuller goes.  He is pretty identical to Philip Dorsett when it comes to speed and has two inches on him.  I really want us to address a playmaker for the return game with good vision but seems to catch with his body a lot.  Anyone have projections where he could go?

He and Nkemdiche are the biggest wildcards in the draft. Spence is a wildcard as well. Dodd could go anywhere from top 10 to late round1. If Dodd ran sub4.8 he would be a guaranteed top10 pick. I'm in favor of   offensive playmakers!! However if ravens could maneuver around the board. And catch 2 dominant front7 players/rushers I would be happy with the ravens  draft!! If ravens could trade back several spots and Then trade up back into round 1 and bring Spence and Nkemdiche  to the dance who could be dissapointed?? Ravens rush could go from weak to dominant in one draft. Or if Bosa fellnto the ravens then the ravens traded back into round1 for Nkemdiche that would be awesome!! That could give the ravens 2 young wrecking balls!! If Bosa works as hard as Watt he will be an all pro player!! He will grow out to about 280-285 lbs and actually be a little more explosive at the same time. Sounds ridiculous but there is a difference in bulking and maturing. His body is maturing yet. His vertical will hit about 35 inches while more sudden explosive and powerful off the snap with more explosive leg drive. He is more flexible than many are saying he is!! He just prefers to use his hands much like Strahan did. He was not a true edge bender he did so just enough and enjoyed a fine career.By year 2 as a pro teams will be firing gms for not drafting him. Landing Bosa and Nkemdiche in my opinion would be a steal. And return the ravens defense to formidable

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎3‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 1:33 AM, Maryland said:

I may be homering here, but I'm sure others will homer with me.

Yannick Ngakoue would routinely beat future NFL OTs around the edge with his speed. Guys like Conklin and Scherff come to mind, both first-rounders (although Scherff became a G). Some folks have him as a 3rd round prospect, which seems pretty low for a guy who has gotten the best of some highly-rated prospects. He's a sure-fire steal if he falls to the 3rd round, although he probably will go mid-2nd. 

Maryland for some reason doesn't get as much love as it should as far as its player's draft stock. Yannick is a very good player and is incredibly quick around the edge, but I would not be surprised if he did make it to the third. Wishful thinking

[Dame2]

Cyrus Jones CB/KR Alabama he has the same skills set as VH3 and can take the ball to the house any time he touches it could be a steal 4th round.

[Dame2]

5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I am pretty sure he returned to the Crimson Tide. 

Yes he did I had him on my mind when thinking of Cyrus Jones.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, Dame2 said:

Cyrus Jones CB/KR Alabama he has the same skills set as VH3 and can take the ball to the house any time he touches it could be a steal 4th round.

But he's not anywhere close to being as good in coverage day one. 

[Dame2]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

But he's not anywhere close to being as good in coverage day one. 

True but it's only a 4th round pick and he could be a monster on punts/kicks and maybe cover the slot.

[Alabama Raven]

14 minutes ago, Dame2 said:

True but it's only a 4th round pick and he could be a monster on punts/kicks and maybe cover the slot.

Don't count on it. He struggled in coverage at Alabama against quality receivers. I wouldn't touch him. 

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

He and Nkemdiche are the biggest wildcards in the draft. Spence is a wildcard as well. Dodd could go anywhere from top 10 to late round1. If Dodd ran sub4.8 he would be a guaranteed top10 pick. I'm in favor of   offensive playmakers!! However if ravens could maneuver around the board. And catch 2 dominant front7 players/rushers I would be happy with the ravens  draft!! If ravens could trade back several spots and Then trade up back into round 1 and bring Spence and Nkemdiche  to the dance who could be dissapointed?? Ravens rush could go from weak to dominant in one draft. Or if Bosa fellnto the ravens then the ravens traded back into round1 for Nkemdiche that would be awesome!! That could give the ravens 2 young wrecking balls!! If Bosa works as hard as Watt he will be an all pro player!! He will grow out to about 280-285 lbs and actually be a little more explosive at the same time. Sounds ridiculous but there is a difference in bulking and maturing. His body is maturing yet. His vertical will hit about 35 inches while more sudden explosive and powerful off the snap with more explosive leg drive. He is more flexible than many are saying he is!! He just prefers to use his hands much like Strahan did. He was not a true edge bender he did so just enough and enjoyed a fine career.By year 2 as a pro teams will be firing gms for not drafting him. Landing Bosa and Nkemdiche in my opinion would be a steal. And return the ravens defense to formidable

I really think Rexy Ryan takes Spence or Nkem, i see the potential and it just seems like a Rex move.  I would love to have both

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Derrick Henry is a bust. 

 

If Ozzie takes him 2nd round I will be extremely upset.

[usmccharles]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Derrick Henry is a bust. 

 

If Ozzie takes him 2nd round I will be extremely upset.

Couldn't agree more.  Reminds me of a worse rent Richardson 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Couldn't agree more.  Reminds me of a worse rent Richardson 

If Jamaal Charles didn't have 1 step burst and ridiculous top end speed, do you think he would be any good? I don't, he generates power from his speed which he can build up instantly to deliver a blow to tacklers, if he didn't have that 1 step burst then he would get his ribs lit up and he would get knocked around like a weeble wobble and would essentially be worthless because he runs upright, has average power and lacks elusiveness.

 

A no-burst Jamaal Charles is what I see in Henry. He lacks lateral speed, lacks burst, lacks agility, and he will get handled in the NFL as a result. Running upright only works if you have the burst to get through holes before defenders get a hand on you.

[Maryland]

I've seen Derrick Henry compared to Brandon Jacobs, which is an intriguing thought. While I don't think he has anywhere near enough lateral quickness to make it in the NFL, I think he could be a decent complimentary power back. I would be disappointed with him as our 2nd round pick, however. 

[Halshayeji]

47 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I've seen Derrick Henry compared to Brandon Jacobs, which is an intriguing thought. While I don't think he has anywhere near enough lateral quickness to make it in the NFL, I think he could be a decent complimentary power back. I would be disappointed with him as our 2nd round pick, however. 

I actually like the guy. I think he's a better version of Eddie Lacy. Unfortunately there are only about 10 teams that could use him to his strengths and I don't believe the Ravens are one of them.  

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Couldn't agree more.  Reminds me of a worse rent Richardson 

let me correct myself, he has better side to side and vision than trent richardson

[Clmraven]

The guy from Germany Moritz Boehringer could be a steal at wide receiver, it's a long shot I know, he got by in the GFL by being the best athlete on the field by a wide margin, but something to work with at 6'4" 225 pounds and a 4.40 looks like a hands catcher and looks really good on screens for someone his size, could be worth a flyer.

[Winchester]

14 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

The guy from Germany Moritz Boehringer could be a steal at wide receiver, it's a long shot I know, he got by in the GFL by being the best athlete on the field by a wide margin, but something to work with at 6'4" 225 pounds and a 4.40 looks like a hands catcher and looks really good on screens for someone his size, could be worth a flyer.

Yep and he ran that 4.4 without practicing for the 40 to shave time. That is game speed and he is not a straight linish athlete. He has twitch and wiggle to his running style. And his production is beating double coverage without the help of timing.

[ravensdan]

On March 31, 2016 at 8:13 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think Derrick Henry is a bust. 

 

If Ozzie takes him 2nd round I will be extremely upset.

 

Yeah if we don't take Elliott there is no need to draft any of these other RBs unless we just add a guy late. 

[Maryland]

12 hours ago, Clmraven said:

The guy from Germany Moritz Boehringer could be a steal at wide receiver, it's a long shot I know, he got by in the GFL by being the best athlete on the field by a wide margin, but something to work with at 6'4" 225 pounds and a 4.40 looks like a hands catcher and looks really good on screens for someone his size, could be worth a flyer.

In defense of the GFL, I remember the Germans winning NFL Europe handily for the brief time it was a thing lol, meaning he is probably facing the best American Football players that Europe has to offer

[usmccharles]

Anyone hear of WR Jakeem Grant from Texas Tech?  The kid has some wheels, now, hes only 5'6 170lbs, runs in the 4.3s.  But I think we really need a playmaker to return kicks and punts.  He has an insane ability to cut back and find holes.  When we had jacoby and received a kickoff/punt...I was excited, now, I just hope the guy catches it. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

Anyone hear of WR Jakeem Grant from Texas Tech?  The kid has some wheels, now, hes only 5'6 170lbs, runs in the 4.3s.  But I think we really need a playmaker to return kicks and punts.  He has an insane ability to cut back and find holes.  When we had jacoby and received a kickoff/punt...I was excited, now, I just hope the guy catches it. 

He is a very exciting player to watch. I watched a bit of him and he's definitely intriguing in the late rounds of not for just a return man. 

 

He's so tiny though man...

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He is a very exciting player to watch. I watched a bit of him and he's definitely intriguing in the late rounds of not for just a return man. 

 

He's so tiny though man...

Reminds me of Trindin Holiday, who almost beat us himself in 2012

[52520Andrew]

I'll throw a pair from the same school and position out here as well.

Bust: A'Shawn Robinson

Steal: Jarran Reed

I think Reed is a lot better in the run game and his athleticism is extremely underrated. Depends on where he is drafted of course but I think he could easily fall and provide tremendous value for a team. As for Robinson, I look for an elite run defender if I am looking at NT as early as he is projected(literally the first thing I evaluate when looking at NTs) and I don't see that in him.

[rmw10]

15 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I'll throw a pair from the same school and position out here as well.

Bust: A'Shawn Robinson

Steal: Jarran Reed

I think Reed is a lot better in the run game and his athleticism is extremely underrated. Depends on where he is drafted of course but I think he could easily fall and provide tremendous value for a team. As for Robinson, I look for an elite run defender if I am looking at NT as early as he is projected(literally the first thing I evaluate when looking at NTs) and I don't see that in him.

I can agree with this.  I really liked both watching games live, but when I really put the time in to focus on Robinson, I'm not all that impressed.

[thieverycorporation]

Kolby Listenbee will a steal in the fourth round. He ran 4.32 and was still recovering from injury. Cortisone shots for 4 months and dude still ran quick. Put him the slot with a tightend and have good hands back (Forsett/Drake/Prosise) and Perriman, Wallace on the outskirts. Everyone knows speed kills defenses.

[JoeyFlex5]

On 3/30/2016 at 3:15 AM, Dame2 said:

Eddie Jackson from Alabama could be the Ed Reed type of player bet on it.

Man... You are on cloud 9 evaluating these Bama db's lol

[Winchester]

Demarcus Robinson is going to be a steal!! His drama is behind him now and he is working hard and focused. His skills are very similar to Diggs. Very slippery and elusive, instant acceleration, fluid and can extend to make acrobatic catches. Incredibly  slippery!! His moves are lightning fast!! makes great dbacks look bad. Leaves tackles confused what  happened. Engram could teach him details and he would be pro bowl caliber. He would make up for losing Diggs. Maryland wanted him as well. Ravens could get him in early round4 and he could very well outperform every receiver in this draft. Ron Stanley, Spence ,Jaylon Smith or Jones,Demarcus Robinson. Let's get to outdrafting every opponent in this league!! And he is intelligent and dedicated to  walking a line. Cut off all communications with old friends. I want ravens to draft him bad. As much as wanted Diggs.

[jazz1988]

54 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Demarcus Robinson is going to be a steal!! His drama is behind him now and he is working hard and focused. His skills are very similar to Diggs. Very slippery and elusive, instant acceleration, fluid and can extend to make acrobatic catches. Incredibly  slippery!! His moves are lightning fast!! makes great dbacks look bad. Leaves tackles confused what  happened. Engram could teach him details and he would be pro bowl caliber. He would make up for losing Diggs. Maryland wanted him as well. Ravens could get him in early round4 and he could very well outperform every receiver in this draft. Ron Stanley, Spence ,Jaylon Smith or Jones,Demarcus Robinson. Let's get to outdrafting every opponent in this league!! And he is intelligent and dedicated to  walking a line. Cut off all communications with old friends. I want ravens to draft him bad. As much as wanted Diggs.

Talented guy but didn't really impress at the combine or pro day. His 3 cone was good though but for a guy that's been suspended 4 times and supposedly was horrible  in his interview with teams well he may not be seen as a fourth rounder. Teams may not touch him until the 6 round or he may go undrafted  

 

He still could be steal for any team though

 

Edited April 3, 2016 by jazz1988

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Talented guy but didn't really impress at the combine or pro day. His 3 cone was good though but for a guy that's been suspended 4 times and supposedly was horrible  in his interview with teams well he may not be seen as a fourth rounder. Teams may not touch him until the 6 round or he may go undrafted  

 

He still could be steal for any team though

 

It could be a smokescreen all that failed interview stuff. I know the booster very well that helped recruit him. I got to meet demarcus. He is a good guy and very focused.  He is not a tester and is not training for testing. All  he talks about is football, routes,timing moves,double moves, what defenses are trying to guess. Because he was not a featured receiver cuz of drama he is not in game shape quite yet. He may never be a 4.3 tester but once in game shape he is a 4.45-4.5 guy and 36" vertical much like Diggs and Cooper. And much like them very game fast fluid with lightning fast moves that leaves dbacks saying what just happened. He is the kind that will live at his qbs place after being drafted. He cut off all communications  with old friends. He is very depressed about not having fun being a featured receiver his college career and not enjoying the experience. He is not caring when he is drafted but wants an established qb and will take less money when time comes to play with his qb. He will make up for Diggs. Ron Stanley, Jaylon Smith, Demarcus Robinson all in reach!!