Biggest steals/Biggest Busts

[KBoum]

Easy, who do you think, will be the biggest steals of the draft and the biggest busts of the draft.

(By the way everyone has his opinion and we should respect even if we don't agree.

 

Steals : 

- CB - Mackenzie Alexander (I think he'll end up one of the best outside CB - thats my opinion. Not a big steal he's still top 4 CBs

- CB - Rashard Robinson (redflags but I really like him)

- CB - Harlan Miller (fiesty, competitive, fire in his eyes. solid slot CB I like him

- Michael Thomas ( best WR in this year draft for me one of the best route runner I've seen)

- Romeo Okwara (I'm the only one liking him in this year draft. I LOVE how he moves. He's got potentiel but isn't there yet needs lots of coaching)

- Small school safety Deandre Houston-Carson (I like him, playmaker, agressive)

- I like McAlister pass rushing upside, don't know how he'll end up tho

- Calhoun (the more I watch, the more I like). Kinda the opposite of Eli Apple the more I watch him I think he's not smarth enough to success. So many brain camps or mental mistakes

 

Busts :

- Noah Spence (drug addiction, off the field... one trick pony. I'm not that high)

- Doctson (very few of us don't like him but he runs his route uninterested. product of the schemes in my opinion)

- Scooby Wright (not a fan not a all, lateral movement is lacking)

- RB Henry (I think he'll be succesfull early on but it will fade away very quickly they'll learn how to stop him)

- Ronnie Stanley (no push in the run game, seems uninterested. Rumors about his lack of commitment) 

- Jared Goff (not a winner, very cerebral but not that accurate under pressure. Its a bit harsh to place him in the busts I think he'll be a starter but I don,t see a Pro Bowler not at all)

 

[ludy51]

I think Ronnie Stanley'll bust. I was high on him early, but the recent reports haven't been good.

[Edgar]

Sean Davis from Maryland will be a steal. Don't be surprised if he goes round two.

 

[KBoum]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

Sean Davis from Maryland will be a steal. Don't be surprised if he goes round two.

 

LOVED his combine. One of the best at the combine for sure.

I should have put Deion Jones as well in steals. Just his play on special teams his worth being on any 53 roster lol. great potentiel and coverage/blitzing abilities

[Halshayeji]

Leonard Floyd! Von Miller potential but never used correctly. Some mocks have him falling to the twenties. I have him top 5. 10 sacks per year by second year. Can play inside out if he can put 15 pounds of muscle or so. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

Leonard Floyd! Von Miller potential but never used correctly. Some mocks have him falling to the twenties. I have him top 5. 10 sacks per year by second year. Can play inside out if he can put 15 pounds of muscle or so. 

I would vehemently disagree because right now he's all speed rusher and if you add muscle, you risk losing speed 

[rmw10]

Maliek Collins could be a steal for a 4-3 team.  Perfect 3T.

[allblackraven]

30 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Easy, who do you think, will be the biggest steals of the draft and the biggest busts of the draft.

(By the way everyone has his opinion and we should respect even if we don't agree.

 

Steals : 

- CB - Mackenzie Alexander (I think he'll end up one of the best outside CB - thats my opinion. Not a big steal he's still top 4 CBs

- CB - Rashard Robinson (redflags but I really like him)

- CB - Harlan Miller (fiesty, competitive, fire in his eyes. solid slot CB I like him

- Michael Thomas ( best WR in this year draft for me one of the best route runner I've seen)

- Romeo Okwara (I'm the only one liking him in this year draft. I LOVE how he moves. He's got potentiel but isn't there yet needs lots of coaching)

- Small school safety Deandre Houston-Carson (I like him, playmaker, agressive)

- I like McAlister pass rushing upside, don't know how he'll end up tho

- Calhoun (the more I watch, the more I like). Kinda the opposite of Eli Apple the more I watch him I think he's not smarth enough to success. So many brain camps or mental mistakes

 

Busts :

- Noah Spence (drug addiction, off the field... one trick pony. I'm not that high)

- Doctson (very few of us don't like him but he runs his route uninterested. product of the schemes in my opinion)

- Scooby Wright (not a fan not a all, lateral movement is lacking)

- RB Henry (I think he'll be succesfull early on but it will fade away very quickly they'll learn how to stop him)

- Ronnie Stanley (no push in the run game, seems uninterested. Rumors about his lack of commitment) 

- Jared Goff (not a winner, very cerebral but not that accurate under pressure. Its a bit harsh to place him in the busts I think he'll be a starter but I don,t see a Pro Bowler not at all)

 

I'm not so sure

[JoeyFlex5]

Stanley, doctson, ogbah, apple, biggest busts in this draft.

[Halshayeji]

44 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would vehemently disagree because right now he's all speed rusher and if you add muscle, you risk losing speed 

Floyd weighs what Von Miller came out of college weighing (245). Von measured almost identical combine numbers and gained 10 pounds without compromising his burst much. Floyd has longer reach and uses his hands wisely. The scheme Gorgia played really didn't do him any justice. he played 60-70 percent of the time as a OLB in a 4-3 system and DE 4-3 on passing downs.

 

You can't buy 6'6 245 pounds with a 4.6 40 and a 39 inch vertical. Fluid enough hips to run with TEs or drop in zone. I swear this guy could be something special. It's a matter of how much burst hell compromise but he's got so much to begin with that he can lose some and still be one of the quickest OLB in the NFL.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Halshayeji

[RaineV1]

Steals:

Schoebert, Vonn Bell, Jason Fanaika, and Eric Murray.

[ellicottraven]

Steals: Ravens picks

Busts: Steelers and Browns picks.

[DomMcRaven]

6 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Steals: Ravens picks

Busts: Steelers, *Bengals* and Browns picks.

Fixed!

[ellicottraven]

3 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Fixed!

Oops! Thank you!

[JoeyFlex5]

25 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

Floyd weighs what Von Miller came out of college weighing (245). Von measured almost identical combine numbers and gained 10 pounds without compromising his burst much. Floyd has longer reach and uses his hands wisely. The scheme Gorgia played really didn't do him any justice. he played 60-70 percent of the time as a OLB in a 4-3 system and DE 4-3 on passing downs.

 

You can't buy 6'6 245 pounds with a 4.6 40 and a 39 inch vertical. Fluid enough hips to run with TEs or drop in zone. I swear this guy could be something special. It's a matter of how much burst hell compromise but he's got so much to begin with that he can lose some and still be one of the quickest OLB in the NFL.

100% agree. I think Floyd will be a perennial pro bowler. His tape rivals Jack and zeke and tunsil as some of the best in the class and he has incredible measurables and is VERY smart and instinctive on the field. I just dont see how so many are downplaying how special he could be because he's lanky

[rayven98]

I've been all for trading back (but still ahead of the jets) to get Floyd.  Think he could be good.  Also really hoping ozzie takes advantage of that high 2nd rounder to move back into the 1st if one of the tackles falls into the mid 20's.  Floyd and Conklin/Decker in first round i'm a happy ravens fan.

[KBoum]

Vonn Bell is very good as well. Gotta take a look at Jason Fanaika, and Eric Murray.

[KBoum]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Stanley, doctson, ogbah, apple, biggest busts in this draft.

I'm with you on all of them. Havent watched Ogbah enough tho.

Whats your thoughts on Apple ? I can't figure it out it has to be mental mistakes he'll make bonehead play and sometimes I just wonder why looks like he doenst understand whats going on around him. Make me wonder if NFL defenses will be too complex for him

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, rayven98 said:

I've been all for trading back (but still ahead of the jets) to get Floyd.  Think he could be good.  Also really hoping ozzie takes advantage of that high 2nd rounder to move back into the 1st if one of the tackles falls into the mid 20's.  Floyd and Conklin/Decker in first round i'm a happy ravens fan.

I don't know much about Decker. But Conklin is an animal! His buzz is really catching up with Stanley and at this pace he may even surpass him by draft time. I think both Conklin and Floyd are gone by 15 so if Ozzie and Decosta can somehow pull off both with our first two picks I'd turn off the TV and celebrate winning the draft

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Floyd weighs what Von Miller came out of college weighing (245). Von measured almost identical combine numbers and gained 10 pounds without compromising his burst much. Floyd has longer reach and uses his hands wisely. The scheme Gorgia played really didn't do him any justice. he played 60-70 percent of the time as a OLB in a 4-3 system and DE 4-3 on passing downs.

 

You can't buy 6'6 245 pounds with a 4.6 40 and a 39 inch vertical. Fluid enough hips to run with TEs or drop in zone. I swear this guy could be something special. It's a matter of how much burst hell compromise but he's got so much to begin with that he can lose some and still be one of the quickest OLB in the NFL.

Floyd also has 3 inches on Miller, and a couple inches always makes a difference no matter what anyone says. I mean, a 6-6 OLB who weighs 245 isn't the same as a 6-3 OLB who weighs 245. 

 

[Stevin]

floyd = bust

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Floyd weighs what Von Miller came out of college weighing (245). Von measured almost identical combine numbers and gained 10 pounds without compromising his burst much. Floyd has longer reach and uses his hands wisely. The scheme Gorgia played really didn't do him any justice. he played 60-70 percent of the time as a OLB in a 4-3 system and DE 4-3 on passing downs.

 

You can't buy 6'6 245 pounds with a 4.6 40 and a 39 inch vertical. Fluid enough hips to run with TEs or drop in zone. I swear this guy could be something special. It's a matter of how much burst hell compromise but he's got so much to begin with that he can lose some and still be one of the quickest OLB in the NFL.

His game is predicated entirely on speed and he's 24 years old. It's not entirely fair to assume that he can just bulk up and keep his speed because physically, he's probably reached his max. That means that any additional speed has a really good chance to compromise the one thing is predicated upon above all else: speed.

Plus, it's not fair to compare players weights coming out because every single one of them has a unique body. Von Miller might have weighed the same, but he didn't look rail thin and like an absolute stick. With Floyd, he compares far more favorably to Deion Jordan or Barkevious Mingo than he does Von Miller, and that's in play style and in size.

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

100% agree. I think Floyd will be a perennial pro bowler. His tape rivals Jack and zeke and tunsil as some of the best in the class and he has incredible measurables and is VERY smart and instinctive on the field. I just dont see how so many are downplaying how special he could be because he's lanky

Because he's weak at the point of attack and at this point, he's got the upfield burst or a jump cut inside combined with a club. However, that's assuming a tackle didn't already lock into his frame and really shut him out.

[ravensdan]

I don't really get the Floyd love. I don't think he's a pure edge guy. There's a reason he wasn't there full time. I've seen mingo and Jordan comparisons but I don't think he's really that either. They were just quick dudes with nothing else. Maybe he can play a Jamie Collins role?

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I don't really get the Floyd love. I don't think he's a pure edge guy. There's a reason he wasn't there full time. I've seen mingo and Jordan comparisons but I don't think he's really that either. They were just quick dudes with nothing else. Maybe he can play a Jamie Collins role?

I think of Jordan and Mingo because those were two guys who got by on being excellent athletes, but not excellent football players.

We don't really know how Jordan's career would have looked if he had stayed out of trouble and actually been on the football field for all of his games, but in college, he was rushing off the edge, playing inside linebacker, covering the slot. They're both comparable heights, body types, weights, usage in college, play style. I honestly think Deion Jordan is about as fair as it gets.

Floyd right now understands how to use his particular natural gifts and that's about it.

[law215]

I think one of the biggest steals is Derrick Henry. I have not heard anyone talk about him in the first round. He's 247lbs and runs a 4.57 and a solid catcher. He is a guy that a good team at the bottom of round one or early round two could use to wear defenses down, short yardage and goaline. Good Luck tackling him in the open field. I also put Spence and Shillique Calhoun as steal cause they should go early. Both as more upside than Bosa. Build over value size nd speed like 20 year old can't get bigger, stronger , or faster.

As bust, I think Stanley. He has quick feet but get over powered. Oher had as good or better measureables. To have him go top 10 is too high. He rating is based on weak offensive draft class IMO.

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, ravensdan said:

I don't really get the Floyd love. I don't think he's a pure edge guy. There's a reason he wasn't there full time. I've seen mingo and Jordan comparisons but I don't think he's really that either. They were just quick dudes with nothing else. Maybe he can play a Jamie Collins role?

His a bit taller than Mingo a bit faster and a bit stronger. Our system fits him perfectly. He would be a weak side rusher while Suggs and Z.Smith take care of the strong side. The reason he wasn't a pure edge guy is because Gorgia ran a 4-3 scheme and were forced dropped him in coverage most of the time.

i love this guy because his floor is Doomerville and his celing is Von Miller.

[rmw10]

16 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

His a bit taller than Mingo a bit faster and a bit stronger. Our system fits him perfectly. He would be a weak side rusher while Suggs and Z.Smith take care of the strong side. The reason he wasn't a pure edge guy is because Gorgia ran a 4-3 scheme and were forced dropped him in coverage most of the time.

i love this guy because his floor is Doomerville and his celing is Von Miller.

...really?  To say someone is comparable to Miller is ridiculous.  Miller was a far superior prospect.

I like Floyd, but I have serious concerns with him.  He doesn't bend well enough at his size to be a full time rusher in a 4-3, for me at least.  I don't think he has the body type to hold up in a 3-4 either.

[Halshayeji]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

...really?  To say someone is comparable to Miller is ridiculous.  Miller was a far superior prospect.

I like Floyd, but I have serious concerns with him.  He doesn't bend well enough at his size to be a full time rusher in a 4-3, for me at least.  I don't think he has the body type to hold up in a 3-4 either.

I never claimed that Floyd is as good a prospect. I simply said he had the potential to be as good. And worst case scenario he's as good as Doomerville. Von Miller himself wouldn't have been a great 4-3 rusher coming out of college.

Im not as concerned about his size because he's not horrible, he just needs a little work and coaching.

[BmoreBird22]

40 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

His a bit taller than Mingo a bit faster and a bit stronger. Our system fits him perfectly. He would be a weak side rusher while Suggs and Z.Smith take care of the strong side. The reason he wasn't a pure edge guy is because Gorgia ran a 4-3 scheme and were forced dropped him in coverage most of the time.

i love this guy because his floor is Doomerville and his celing is Von Miller.

1) He rushed a lot and 2) The reason you don't see him on the ball and rushing all the time is because he isn't built to be an on ball linebacker/defensive end. He's too small and is done when he gets engaged and locked up by an offensive lineman. He is the epitome of an off ball linebacker.

As for floor, we're looking at Mingo/Jordan. Ceiling, probably Jamie Collins.

Edited March 27, 2016 by BmoreBird22