ILBs besides Jack

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't view the second ILB position as enough of an impact position. 

What I mean is very solid LB2 allowing Mosley to hit Kuechley's levels.

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

It is if they can do it all, think Willis and Bowman.

Or that.

Plus by trading back for him, we can pick really good lineman and edge rusher in late 1st and early second. From that standpoint, value is better than say VH3 at #6.

[ALPHA]

On 3/28/2016 at 0:54 PM, rmw10 said:

I don't see that type of combo with Ragland, for what it's worth. Now, Jack on the other hand...

 

On 3/28/2016 at 0:54 PM, Inqui said:

It can be a great playmaking role, and that's why I'm on board with it if Jack's there for us. But I don't see Ragland adding much in the way of playmaking.

I'm not arguing for Ragland

Edited April 13, 2016 by ALPHA

[rmw10]

14 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

What I mean is very solid LB2 allowing Mosley to hit Kuechley's levels.

Or that.

Plus by trading back for him, we can pick really good lineman and edge rusher in late 1st and early second. From that standpoint, value is better than say VH3 at #6.

I think Mosley is a good player but I don't see Kuechley at all in him. 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I think Mosley is a good player but I don't see Kuechley at all in him. 

Yeah he is not that kinda player in coverage. Jack on the other hand...(from a coverage standpoint)

[Jacquouille]

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/03/06/2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-clemson-lb-b-j-goodson/

Never heard of him before, very interested now. 

[Kinda_Dante]

At what point do you think it would be ok to draft Jaylon Smith? Is it too early if he's there with our second pick? I know he's injured but I've seen it be argue that he would be the top defender in the draft if healthy. Where do you think the Ravens would feel comfortable taking him?

 

[Mad Puppy]

5 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

At what point do you think it would be ok to draft Jaylon Smith? Is it too early if he's there with our second pick? I know he's injured but I've seen it be argue that he would be the top defender in the draft if healthy. Where do you think the Ravens would feel comfortable taking him?

 

5 minutes ago, Kinda_Dante said:

 

I have my bias towards 1st and 2nd rounders needing to play right away, so 3rd (and more to my liking 4th round). I figure the first 3 rounds should be keepers, and 4th rounders being developmental guys. If there is a real possibility he doesn't play again it is kinda hard to even jump on the early 3rd round.

Just have to think a N.E. team would be willing waste an earlier pick on him as they regularly trade current picks for future picks anyway. So I could see N.E. taking the risk in the 2nd round.

[Kinda_Dante]

1 minute ago, Mad Puppy said:

I have my bias towards 1st and 2nd rounders needing to play right away, so 3rd (and more to my liking 4th round). I figure the first 3 rounds should be keepers, and 4th rounders being developmental guys. If there is a real possibility he doesn't play again it is kinda hard to even jump on the early 3rd round.

Just have to think a N.E. team would be willing waste an earlier pick on him as they regularly trade current picks for future picks anyway. So I could see N.E. taking the risk in the 2nd round.

Yea I felt like the second round would  be a little early especially with how high we pick this year but I read an article today that he's already squatting over 400 lbs and leg pressing 600 lbs. I don't think the issue is if he'll ever play again it's more about when. I think if we could trade our third and a late round pick to get back into the end of the second and get him or if he falls to our third pick we should draft him. There's just so much potential.

[Maryland]

2 hours ago, Kinda_Dante said:

At what point do you think it would be ok to draft Jaylon Smith? Is it too early if he's there with our second pick? I know he's injured but I've seen it be argue that he would be the top defender in the draft if healthy. Where do you think the Ravens would feel comfortable taking him?

I've been wondering this myself. All it takes is one team to clear him enough medically to draft him high.

I would be alright with a 4th round pick used on him as Mad Puppy said, but anything higher and I'd be kind of concerned that it's a waste. I guess because I look at day 3 picks as being used on guys who may never start and you're not surprised or disappointed by that, at least I'm not. Day 2 picks I expect either solid rotational depth or starters, and Jaylon may never do that because of his knee.

Having said all of this, I also wonder about the fit. What position would Jaylon play in Pees defense? He seems like an ideal WLB in a 4-3 with his H/W, but he may be too light to play LB in our defense. 

[ellicottraven]

To me it's Scooby Wright, Jaylon Smith (even if we have to put him on PUP) and Beniquez Brown. I don't think we have a chance at Ragland in the 2nd.

[asteroid]

I like Nick Kwiatkowski, West Virginia. Plays like a Raven.

[JetLife94]

Deion Jones reminds me of Danny trevathian. He has a knack for finding the ball and he's fast!!

[Static]

On 4/2/2016 at 7:27 PM, JetLife94 said:

Deion Jones reminds me of Danny trevathian. He has a knack for finding the ball and he's fast!!

I really hope we get Deion Jones. He's more polished than Kwan Alexander was although less aggressive. An early 4th would be A++ value

[L.A.Ravens]

If we get Scooby Wright in the 4th then helllll yeaa!!! That guys a beast. He's being compared by some as Zach Thomas. 

Edited April 3, 2016 by L.A.Ravens

[L.A.Ravens]

Jaylon smith has been doing 600 pound squats. I don't think he will be there in the 4th I hope so he will be tho. When were on the board.

[Maryland]

3 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

Jaylon smith has been doing 600 pound squats. I don't think he will be there in the 4th I hope so he will be tho. When were on the board.

While that is a good sign, it's lateral movement that is under the most pressure with a torn ACL. Squats don't show whether he can run and cut like normal.

[Winchester]

I would take j. Smith with the round2 pick. Ron Stanley then Smith would be Ogden Lewis all over again. I really believe J Smith will play by late season. J Smith and Mosley would be awesome. I really like Jones as well. He plays very fast, can really lay the wood and get through trash. He is going to be very good. He is far better than travathan.

[JoeyFlex5]

15 hours ago, Maryland said:

While that is a good sign, it's lateral movement that is under the most pressure with a torn ACL. Squats don't show whether he can run and cut like normal.

And you don't take on tackles and guards that outweigh you by 120lbs in a perfect squat stance. He won't know what that knee's all about until he hits the field and has to engage someone and drive his legs and generate push in whatever direction the play demands. 

 

When he hits the point of attack and breaks down and has to leverage a blocker sideways from a stationary position, that twisting force and pressure will probably scare him to death, especially if he has nerve damage and hasn't even had full feeling in his knee.

[Jacquouille]

Deion Jones is actually really good, and I mean really. He lacks a bit of vision but he is so athletic, and this is something we currently miss. I wish we can get him with our 3rd, even if we have to trade up for that. Dude's gonna be a beast paired with CJ. 

[RavensFanMania]

On 3/26/2016 at 9:52 AM, rmw10 said:

I like Deion Jones a lot as a coverage guy for us.  He needs some work but the guy has all of the prerequisite athleticism.  A couple of years ago I would have said he was too small, but the NFL is making the move to these undersized guys.

I like Deion Jones as well and in the other mock draft I do, I was able to draft him in the 3rd round for the Ravens as I'm the Ravens GM on that board. 

 

Supposedly the Ravens have met with Jones.  All of the teams Jones has met with to this point are 3-4 teams.

[KBoum]

20 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

I like Deion Jones as well and in the other mock draft I do, I was able to draft him in the 3rd round for the Ravens as I'm the Ravens GM on that board. 

 

Supposedly the Ravens have met with Jones.  All of the teams Jones has met with to this point are 3-4 teams.

Some people got him going high 2nd round to late 2nd round right now. His stock is on the rise. Great ST player as well I really like him. Built like a rock

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, KBoum said:

Some people got him going high 2nd round to late 2nd round right now. His stock is on the rise. Great ST player as well I really like him. Built like a rock

Agree on all points

Edited April 4, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[RavensFan34950]

On 4/3/2016 at 4:39 PM, Jacquouille said:

 

Not trying to quote anyone.

 

But I know this won't be a popular opinion but Deion Jones is very overrated in my eyes. When I watch his tape, yea he's as athletic as they come. But he won't make any impact in the run game what so ever. And for all that athletic ability he will get abused in the nfl because he gets lost way to often for my liking. He's far from a sure tackler as well as he missed way too many tackles. Honestly reminds me of another Arthur Brown, athletic but doesn't know what to do on the field. 

 

I would rather take a chance on a instinctive Linebacker like a Scooby Wright. When healthy he's one of the best all around Linebackers in the nation. Like a Zac Thomas or even a Vontaze Burfict, not the fastest but always one of the smartest on the field. You can't teach that. Watch his game tape from his sophomore season and tell me I'm wrong. Keep in mind he was playing injured his junior year.

[RaineV1]

There is also the option of grabbing a big safety in this draft and using him as a lb/safety hybrid that plays in the middle of the defense. Cravens and Deon Bush could probably handle that role.

[DomMcRaven]

Speaking of ILBs, assuming we go CB and pass-rusher in the first two rounds, what ILBs, in the 3rd round and beyond, would make the most sense as Mosley's "running mate?"

[RaineV1]

59 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Speaking of ILBs, assuming we go CB and pass-rusher in the first two rounds, what ILBs, in the 3rd round and beyond, would make the most sense as Mosley's "running mate?"

I think Nick Vigil from Utah State could be a great combination with Mosley. He's got the range and instincts to be pretty effective in coverage, and is pretty reliable as an open field tackler. Like Mosley, he's also pretty good at blitzing through the middle, which is something Pees likes to do with ILBs.

[ALPHA]

Scooby Wright has some of the best angles and instincts I've seen in a prospect but you really have to keep him clean. He's kind of reminds me of Chris Borland or Paul Dawson.

[JoeyFlex5]

On April 3, 2016 at 11:06 PM, L.A.Ravens said:

If we get Scooby Wright in the 4th then helllll yeaa!!! That guys a beast. He's being compared by some as Zach Thomas. 

He's a stocky linebacker and that's where the comparisons should start and stop. Scooby does not move like an NFL player. He will get blown by up and down the entire field. He may make a nice goal line gap plugger and nothing more. 

[ALPHA]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's a stocky linebacker and that's where the comparisons should start and stop. Scooby does not move like an NFL player. He will get blown by up and down the entire field. He may make a nice goal line gap plugger and nothing more. 

Yeah he gets bundled up easily, Burfict and Dawson had take on ability at least. But if you're concerned that he can't go downhill you must be freaking out about our interest in almost every coverage linebacker in the draft, it looks like we're doing the safety/linebacker fad.

[D-Rey]

On 4/1/2016 at 0:31 PM, Kinda_Dante said:

Yea I felt like the second round would  be a little early especially with how high we pick this year but I read an article today that he's already squatting over 400 lbs and leg pressing 600 lbs. I don't think the issue is if he'll ever play again it's more about when. I think if we could trade our third and a late round pick to get back into the end of the second and get him or if he falls to our third pick we should draft him. There's just so much potential.

There's still a chance he never plays again. I honestly wouldn't pick him until the 4th round.

Edited April 13, 2016 by D-Rey