[News] Steve Bisciotti's Perspective On Joe Flacco's New Deal

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Yeah it does....  check up higher;  5th name after Couch.

Is that not Luke McCown from 2004?

[The Mom Gene]

15 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Is that not Luke McCown from 2004?

Could be....  LOL...  I mean, does it really matter???

[usmccharles]

Just now, The Mom Gene said:

Could be....  LOL...  I mean, does it really matter???

Haha McCown squared?

Yea they have had both McCowns, looks like the shirt needs to be updated

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Haha McCown squared?

Yea they have had both McCowns, looks like the shirt needs to be updated

Yeah, Josh and Luke....

 

[Virginia 55]

The "bashers & Haters" will never appreciate Flacco until he is gone. They must not remember the days of:
Eric Zeier
Vinnie Testaverde
Scott Mitchell
Elvis Grbac
Jeff Blake
Tony Banks
Chris Redman
Kyle Boller
Troy Smith

Flacco has done nothing but win since he has gotten here and that's what counts. I will take winning over gaudy stats any day.

I'm assuming Trent Dilfer is not on the list because he didn't start. No matter. Steve Mcnair? Now I'm wondering. Why is Troy Smith even on this list? (never really started maybe a handful of games in his entire career).Chris Redman (same boat).

Tony Banks had Flacco type of numbers. Switching our philosophy at or during our playoff runs works well for us. Switching our offensive philosophy has proven to work well for us. ex. (Cam for Caldwell) (Banks for Dilfer)

Jeff blake played one season for us on the back end of his career. A replacement to Elvis I believe. Because Grbac liked to throw picks. Scott Mitchell was also a one year man in 1999. Who only played in 2 games.

Vinny Testaverde was really good here, I'm not sure why he is on this list to be honest. Statistically he has the best single season at the QB position in Ravens history. He just fumbled to much.

Eric Zier played in 16 games in three seasons with the Ravens and 28 games for his entire NFL career.

I love that you like Flacco. But there is hardly anyone that you can compare him to. All we have had is Plug and play QB's because we built our team around our defense. This doesn't mean he is very good. There just isn't enough QB's in our limited history to compare him to. To be brutally honest, he's really just an average Qb that is lucky to be on this team. Not the other way around.

[rmcjacket23]

57 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm assuming Trent Dilfer is not on the list because he didn't start. No matter. Steve Mcnair? Now I'm wondering. Why is Troy Smith even on this list? (never really started maybe a handful of games in his entire career).Chris Redman (same boat).

Tony Banks had Flacco type of numbers. Switching our philosophy at or during our playoff runs works well for us. Switching our offensive philosophy has proven to work well for us. ex. (Cam for Caldwell) (Banks for Dilfer)

Jeff blake played one season for us on the back end of his career. A replacement to Elvis I believe. Because Grbac liked to throw picks. Scott Mitchell was also a one year man in 1999. Who only played in 2 games.

Vinny Testaverde was really good here, I'm not sure why he is on this list to be honest. Statistically he has the best single season at the QB position in Ravens history. He just fumbled to much.

Eric Zier played in 16 games in three seasons with the Ravens and 28 games for his entire NFL career.

I love that you like Flacco. But there is hardly anyone that you can compare him to. All we have had is Plug and play QB's because we built our team around our defense. This doesn't mean he is very good. There just isn't enough QB's in our limited history to compare him to. To be brutally honest, he's really just an average Qb that is lucky to be on this team. Not the other way around.

Average in the regular season, yes.

But that's not what teams really care about from a QB anymore, and the league has shifted in a different direction from when most of these QBs were playing.

NFL teams figured out quite awhile ago that you can pretty much have a below average regular season QB and still make the playoffs... that happens just about every year. For the most part, short of having a Broncos-like unbelievable defense (which isn't sustainable for a long period of time), you're drawing dead in the postseason if your QB doesn't elevate his play significantly.

Joe clearly does, which is what separates him from everybody on that list.

Plus, it doesn't hurt him that the quality of QB play coming out of college is dreadful these days, and that elevates the demand for QBs like Joe.

[budman]

1 hour ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm assuming Trent Dilfer is not on the list because he didn't start. No matter. Steve Mcnair? Now I'm wondering. Why is Troy Smith even on this list? (never really started maybe a handful of games in his entire career).Chris Redman (same boat).

Tony Banks had Flacco type of numbers. Switching our philosophy at or during our playoff runs works well for us. Switching our offensive philosophy has proven to work well for us. ex. (Cam for Caldwell) (Banks for Dilfer)

Jeff blake played one season for us on the back end of his career. A replacement to Elvis I believe. Because Grbac liked to throw picks. Scott Mitchell was also a one year man in 1999. Who only played in 2 games.

Vinny Testaverde was really good here, I'm not sure why he is on this list to be honest. Statistically he has the best single season at the QB position in Ravens history. He just fumbled to much.

Eric Zier played in 16 games in three seasons with the Ravens and 28 games for his entire NFL career.

I love that you like Flacco. But there is hardly anyone that you can compare him to. All we have had is Plug and play QB's because we built our team around our defense. This doesn't mean he is very good. There just isn't enough QB's in our limited history to compare him to. To be brutally honest, he's really just an average Qb that is lucky to be on this team. Not the other way around.

O.K How many Playoff games have ALL those others won? How many Superbowls? Case dismissed. All the "he did pretty good for us" doesn't mean a thing. I'm not a Flacco lover, I am stating fact. Is he a big stat guy? No. Has he won playoff games 6 of 8 years? yes Superbowl? You betcha and he was the MVP. I'll give you Romo, Stafford, M.Ryan etc. They have won Nothing. I will take Flacco and all his winning.

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, budman said:

O.K How many Playoff games have ALL those others won? How many Superbowls? Case dismissed. All the "he did pretty good for us" doesn't mean a thing. I'm not a Flacco lover, I am stating fact. Is he a big stat guy? No. Has he won playoff games 6 of 8 years? yes Superbowl? You betcha and he was the MVP. I'll give you Romo, Stafford, M.Ryan etc. They have won Nothing. I will take Flacco and all his winning.

Well, lets be clear... winning is undoubtedly a team accomplishment. It can go both ways, since there are games where Joe was simply terrible and we won playoff games. If you go back to 2008-2009, Joe's first three playoff wins:

24 for 55 (44% comp pct), 330 total passing yards (average of 110 per game), 1 TD, 1 INT. I always like to reference the fact that we beat NE in NE in 2009, our team scored 33 points, and Joe completed 4 passes TOTAL in the entire game.

He won all three of those games, with an average margin of victory of 13 points. Needless to say, he ALONE did not win those games.

Now, the reason the playoff argument actually does work is because since those first 2-3 seasons, he's been really, really, really good in the postseason, and largely so have his teams.

In the ten playoff games since then, his averages are:

60% comp pct, 217 yards/game, 24 TD passes, 4 INTs, and his team is 7-3 in those 10 games.

Those are outstanding numbers for a QB in the playoffs.