[News] Late For Work 3/25: How RGIII Signing Affects Ravens' Draft

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McShay has Ravens picking Buckner AND Spence with first two selections. Upshaw visits Falcons.

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[757RavensFan]

Initially I thought RG3 to CLE would affect our draft b/c it filled their QB need.  But after seeing the

contract value for RG3, they obviously didn't put too much $$$ into their new "starting" QB.  I think (hope)

they still go QB w/ their 2nd.  That just pushes one of the top defensive guys down for us.  

#NoToStanley  

I would kiss McShay if we got Buckner and Spence!!

[The Greek]

with joe thomas being baited around i could see cle grabbing tunsil if he is there

[jravens1313]

There is Zero chance Cleveland passes on Wentz.

[stixfix69]

i would be very happy if we re-sign UPSHAW, AND DRAFT Jack....

[crazyboutravens]

Finally an ESPN network guy makes predictions that actually make sense. 2 good defensive players.,.

[harfordravenfan]

Is it just me or does "cheeseburger" Cody look slim? (No respect for anyone abusing animals or people)

If I was hue, I'd want a QB in the first... Rg3 may have a rough time in the AFC North.

[fusuymada]

I believe that the Browns will pass on both Goff and Wentz and if the Titans grab Tunsil they will snatch up Ramsey in a heartbeat. The RGIII signing gave them the flexibility to make that move and lock up the best player in the draft. It appears Bosa's draft stock is plummeting fast and for those who don't have the Ravens taking him have at 6 have him falling as far as pick 12. (Speed is much slower than anticipated and he has been well-coached and may have peaked in college and won't get any better). Ravens will trade down with Rams who have a desire for a top QB (Case Keenum is their starter) and if the Browns take Ramsey, then Goff and/or Wentz will be available. They also have three picks in the top 45. Ozzie is drooling. The Ravens will probably do what they did with Flacco and if they feel Hargreaves will be picked, will move back up and grab him. I think the Ravens are targeting Hargreaves and I saw an interview with a Ravens scout that alluded to the fact that he was number 2 on their board behind Ramsey.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Is it just me or does "cheeseburger" Cody look slim? (No respect for anyone abusing animals or people)

If I was hue, I'd want a QB in the first... Rg3 may have a rough time in the AFC North.

He's a lineman. Most lineman lose significant weight when they are done playing.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I believe that the Browns will pass on both Goff and Wentz and if the Titans grab Tunsil they will snatch up Ramsey in a heartbeat. The RGIII signing gave them the flexibility to make that move and lock up the best player in the draft. It appears Bosa's draft stock is plummeting fast and for those who don't have the Ravens taking him have at 6 have him falling as far as pick 12. (Speed is much slower than anticipated and he has been well-coached and may have peaked in college and won't get any better). Ravens will trade down with Rams who have a desire for a top QB (Case Keenum is their starter) and if the Browns take Ramsey, then Goff and/or Wentz will be available. They also have three picks in the top 45. Ozzie is drooling. The Ravens will probably do what they did with Flacco and if they feel Hargreaves will be picked, will move back up and grab him. I think the Ravens are targeting Hargreaves and I saw an interview with a Ravens scout that alluded to the fact that he was number 2 on their board behind Ramsey.

If they are targeting Hargreaves and he is #2 on their big board, then trading back makes zero sense whatsoever. You would just pick him at #6, since he's likely to be there.

Getting the second ranked player on their board at #6 would be considered getting good value. 

Typically, when we trade back, its because we don't have a player available to us to be picked that we feel is worthy of that selection.

Plus, in order for the Rams to come from 15 to 6, my guess is Ozzie wouldn't do that deal without getting another 1st round pick for it. He MAY consider doing it for a 2nd and 3rd this year, but if I'm the Rams, I'm certainly not doing that for any QB in a bad QB class.

I would also say that it would be unlikely the Rams would have much desire to get our pick, since the 49ers are probably the only team ahead of them at that point who would consider a QB. If they have Goff and Wentz ranked similarly, they can just sit and wait for them to fall to them, or trade up to like the 10-12 range, which would cost significantly less.

Edited March 25, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[RavensDieHard21]

Initially I thought RG3 to CLE would affect our draft b/c it filled their QB need.  But after seeing the

contract value for RG3, they obviously didn't put too much $$$ into their new "starting" QB.  I think (hope)

they still go QB w/ their 2nd.  That just pushes one of the top defensive guys down for us.  

#NoToStanley  

I would kiss McShay if we got Buckner and Spence!!

As Hensley said, it would push us to the brink of elite status, well as far as our front 7 anyway lol we have to pray secondary keeps it together

[RavensDieHard21]

The draft scenarios are getting tough. Morris to Dallas might certainly mean Elliot is off the table and RGIII gives the Browns flexibility to move back or take BPA and get a QB in the second...I pray Hue isn't as smart as I think he is lol but once again, Buckner and Spence as unrealistic as it might seem would make our unit scary good and we would only need one more legit corner.

[MiamiRaven55]

41 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I believe that the Browns will pass on both Goff and Wentz and if the Titans grab Tunsil they will snatch up Ramsey in a heartbeat. The RGIII signing gave them the flexibility to make that move and lock up the best player in the draft. It appears Bosa's draft stock is plummeting fast and for those who don't have the Ravens taking him have at 6 have him falling as far as pick 12. (Speed is much slower than anticipated and he has been well-coached and may have peaked in college and won't get any better). Ravens will trade down with Rams who have a desire for a top QB (Case Keenum is their starter) and if the Browns take Ramsey, then Goff and/or Wentz will be available. They also have three picks in the top 45. Ozzie is drooling. The Ravens will probably do what they did with Flacco and if they feel Hargreaves will be picked, will move back up and grab him. I think the Ravens are targeting Hargreaves and I saw an interview with a Ravens scout that alluded to the fact that he was number 2 on their board behind Ramsey.

Agreed, I hope we stay clear of Bosa.

[ravensnj]

What happens if we take Wentz? Do we trade him, or do we groom him?

[ravensnj]

Eagles, 49ers ,Rams, Bears, Giants and Chargers all need Qb's

[ravensnj]

Eagles, 49ers ,Rams, Bears, Giants and Chargers all need Qb's

Saints too!

We might be able to get 2 first round picks (2016 and 2017) . We are talking franchise Qb here! Yes!

[bioLarzen]

What happens if we take Wentz? Do we trade him, or do we groom him?

??? Why would we pick him in the first place?

[bioLarzen]

Eagles, 49ers ,Rams, Bears, Giants and Chargers all need Qb's

Yes, but there's a definite difference between needing a replacement down the line and not having a starting level QB now. The teams you mention all have legit starting QB's for the next season.

[bioLarzen]

Is it just me or does "cheeseburger" Cody look slim? (No respect for anyone abusing animals or people)

If I was hue, I'd want a QB in the first... Rg3 may have a rough time in the AFC North.

Most analysts think the Browns will pick a QB the RGIII signign notwithstanding.

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

i would be very happy if we re-sign UPSHAW, AND DRAFT Jack....

Upshaw is puzzling. Just think about it:
- he was our top pick at that draft;
- he had great vets to learn from, throughout his rookie contract;
- he has no known injuzry issues and tendencies: he was healthy throughout his rookie contract;
- he has no off-the-field and presonal issues;
- ha had his chance to prove himself.
- he has an absolutely thin market, so he could alkmost surely be brought back on the cheap, and would surely require no bidding war or any kind of stretch to get him.

Still, Ozzie doesn't seem to be in any kind of hast to re-sign him.

What can be the reason? What else than him not delivering the kind of performance he was expected to?

Edited March 25, 2016 by bioLarzen

[ndinoto03]

  11 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Eagles, 49ers ,Rams, Bears, Giants and Chargers all need Qb's

Yes, but there's a definite difference between needing a replacement down the line and not having a starting level QB now. The teams you mention all have legit starting QB's for the next season.

Lol. Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler, and Nick Foles are all sub par, below average qb's. Teams have a low chance of winning a playoff game with those three.

[stixfix69]

  1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

i would be very happy if we re-sign UPSHAW, AND DRAFT Jack....

Upshaw is puzzling. Just think about it:
- he was our top pick at that draft;
- he had great vets to learn from, throughout his rookie contract;
- he has no known injuzry issues and tendencies: he was healthy throughout his rookie contract;
- he has no off-the-field and presonal issues;
- ha had his chance to prove himself.
- he has an absolutely thin market

Still, Ozzie doesn't seem to be in any kind of hast to re-sign him.

What can be the reason? What else than him not delivering the kind of performance he was expected to?

He has been a favorite of Harbs and Pees, and i just think they want to see if he can fetch the kind of contract he wants...IMO, he would be vital in keeping Doom and Suggs fresh on passing downs...

[sami]

NO ONE trades the #6 pick without getting another 1st round pick.

[eze17]

  16 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Eagles, 49ers ,Rams, Bears, Giants and Chargers all need Qb's

Yes, but there's a definite difference between needing a replacement down the line and not having a starting level QB now. The teams you mention all have legit starting QB's for the next season.

The Ram's have case Keenum as their starter, and the Eagle's sam Badford...Not exactly legit in my reality. Niner's have Kapernick, who dosn't want to be there.(even suggesting going to Cleveland tells you how bad he want's out!) The Jet's and the Bronco's should also be mentioned as needing QB, but they don't have anything to give us for a trade to #6.

[Minionhunter]

Anyone notice that the ESPN Steelers blog/article "steelers-unmatched-coaching-longevity-the-envy-of-nfl-peers" had to include the Exception of the Ravens? The Ravens have also won multiple super bowls and have had only three coaches (unless you count Belicheck's couple of days stint) since they started. Yes it is 16 less years in existence, but it is still top notch stability.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, eze17 said:

The Ram's have case Keenum as their starter, and the Eagle's sam Badford...Not exactly legit in my reality. Niner's have Kapernick, who dosn't want to be there.(even suggesting going to Cleveland tells you how bad he want's out!) The Jet's and the Bronco's should also be mentioned as needing QB, but they don't have anything to give us for a trade to #6.

Keep in mind that the Eagles also signed a backup for $7M a year, a hefty price tag. Chase Daniels has long been a favorite of new Eagles coach Doug Pederson.

I don't think Philly goes QB early in this draft. SF maybe, Rams certainly an option.

[riseNConquer81]

  1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

i would be very happy if we re-sign UPSHAW, AND DRAFT Jack....

Upshaw is puzzling. Just think about it:
- he was our top pick at that draft;
- he had great vets to learn from, throughout his rookie contract;
- he has no known injuzry issues and tendencies: he was healthy throughout his rookie contract;
- he has no off-the-field and presonal issues;
- ha had his chance to prove himself.
- he has an absolutely thin market, so he could alkmost surely be brought back on the cheap, and would surely require no bidding war or any kind of stretch to get him.

Still, Ozzie doesn't seem to be in any kind of hast to re-sign him.

What can be the reason? What else than him not delivering the kind of performance he was expected to?

inefficiency.
a two down OLB is a waste of roster space and money. We use him to keep Dumervil fresh, but im sure Oz and Harbaugh are more than comfortable making Elvis a full time player.

Unless somebody picks him up before then, Upshaw is probably going to have to wait until after the draft before he sees an offer from us, assuming we dont get the edge rusher we're looking for during it.

[riseNConquer81]

normally i'd laugh at somebody drafting a backup QB with the #2 overall pick, but in the Browns' case: its a more than warranted decision lol.

[riseNConquer81]

  33 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Eagles, 49ers ,Rams, Bears, Giants and Chargers all need Qb's

Yes, but there's a definite difference between needing a replacement down the line and not having a starting level QB now. The teams you mention all have legit starting QB's for the next season.

in the Eagles and niners case: that's debatable.
The Rams have nothing lol

[ellicottraven]

Eric Weddle and Lardarius Webb are going to be a tremendous Safety tandem. They are interchangeable at the safety position, with Webb having the vesatility to jump to a nickel corner as required. Both surefire tacklers and great ball handling and tracking skills. Most importantly both these guys are instinctual as well. So, you tell me what's not to like with these 2 manning our safety positions. The only thing not to like about them is if you are facing them as an opponent.