[News] Steve Bisciotti Could See Ravens Trading Back, But Not Up

[billiejean]

I have a feeling we might trade back and grab Reggie Ragland and stockpile picks I don't know why.

just what we need another slow middle linebacker who can't cover.

[757RavensFan]

48 minutes ago, juice78 said:

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

Not necessarily.  You have to remember that RG3 didn't play a single game last season. So I don't think they're just going to hand him the reigns when he's a year and a half removed from playing in an actual game. 

[jravens1313]

The draft zone should be 1-8 : Tunsil, Jack, Bosa, Ramsey, Hargreaves, Buckner, Wentz, Elliot. If a team wants to give us the ranch to trade up and take Goff or Wentz, I am all for trading back. I think Wentz will be a Top QB in the league.

[noleafclover613]

  19 minutes ago, noleafclover613 said:

They may have signed him to be their QB 1 for the time being. He may want to start, but can he make it 16 games. In today's nfl, coaches don't get 5 years to implement a system and get things right. You have 2-3 years, unless you are Jeff Fisher. They may not take a QB with two overall, but they are getting another QB. I would definitely be on that.

And like I said, if they skip on a QB at #2 and the Cowboys and Chargers follow suit at 3 and 4, I believe there will be GMs and Owners begging to get above #7.

Hard to say at this point.

I think we all need to remember that its not simply about getting A QB. Its about getting THE QB, and with a pick that high, he better be very good. By just about anybodies standards, this isn't a great class for QBs, and if teams aren't in love with these guys, trading up to get them doesn't make a ton of sense.

Knowing Chip Kelly, who knows if the 49ers are even interested. If he wants to run his stereotypical offense, one would suspect that Kaepernick would be a better fit than Wentz or Goff. 

Obviously, QBs tend to come off the board sooner than expected historically, so in all likelihood something like this could happen.

The other key thing to look at is draft positioning...

Lets say no QB goes in the top 5, and we get to us at #6...who's coming up? After SF, the next logical choice would be Philly at 13 and the Rams at 15. To me, Philly makes very little sense, because they just invested $18M in Bradford and another $7M in Chase Daniels this offseason. So how realistic of an option are they? 

So you have the Rams at 15, the Jets at 20 (I don't see Buffalo at 19 moving up), and Denver at 31. That's about it from what I see.

So in my opinion, three teams that would even be remotely interested in moving up to 6 to get ahead of SF. But what if a team has Wentz and Goff as equals? Meaning if the 49ers take one of them, the Rams don't have to trade up to get the other one, because they will fall right to them.

Not to mention the gigantic cost it would take for a team to move from the teens or even as late as Denver to get up to 6 to take a QB... and this is a bad QB class.

Bottom line... I don't see it. I think the Browns take Wentz, and then MAYBE somebody moves up for Goff. Other than that, I think Goff slides all the way down to the Philly/Rams range before getting snagged.

First off, to question if anything Philly would does is realistic is funny to me. Right now, it seems that they have a higher turnover rate than McDonald's, so you really never know where they are going. I definitely think you mentioned the 3 teams lower in the draft that need a QB the most, but you never know how things are going to pan out. An aging Brees in NO, an injured Cutler in Chicago, Tannehill in a system that isn't really suited for his skill set. There are still a great amount of possibilities left in this draft.

Everybody screams they don't want a QB until a solid prospect starts falling down the board. If it happens, I think teams will scramble.

[stixfix69]

I would love to pick Jack of all trades.....

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, noleafclover613 said:

First off, to question if anything Philly would does is realistic is funny to me. Right now, it seems that they have a higher turnover rate than McDonald's, so you really never know where they are going. I definitely think you mentioned the 3 teams lower in the draft that need a QB the most, but you never know how things are going to pan out. An aging Brees in NO, an injured Cutler in Chicago, Tannehill in a system that isn't really suited for his skill set. There are still a great amount of possibilities left in this draft.

Everybody screams they don't want a QB until a solid prospect starts falling down the board. If it happens, I think teams will scramble.

Yeah, I'm not buying it.

1. Easy to see what Philly is doing... they're undoing what Chip Kelly did. Frankly, they've partially looked like geniuses this offseason. They retained pretty much every player they wanted to retain before FA opened, they traded away bad contracts and players that didn't want to be there and weren't living up to expectations, and they were able to keep Bradford on a short term deal and sign Daniels, who we know Pederson has always liked. They didn't get stuck with Denver/Jets/Rams in the musical chair game of not getting a QB.

2. An aging Drew Brees who will be signing a long term extension in the near future. Saints aren't a QB in the first round option.

3. Cutler's coming off one of his better years, and he has a big contract.

4. Miami pretty much can't move on from Tannehill right now... big contract and too much dead money.

The whole point is that you could make a case that there isn't a single solid QB prospect in this entire draft. So any team that thinks they have a better QB right now (and all of the teams you listed do) would probably have no interest in adding somebody at that position in the first round.

Edited March 24, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[juice78]

  2 hours ago, juice78 said:

Dear Ozzie and Eric: Trade pick #6, Lardarius Webb, and Matt Elam to the Titans for pick #1 and draft Jalen Ramsey, your next Hall-of-Fame DB (safety).

No way. No how. Really don't think that would work out. We have never done anything like that before (if memory serves me correctly) and I don't think that would happen now.

Just wishful thinking. I think Ramsey is going to be a great DB in the NFL. The signing of Weddle and how high draftniks predict Ramsey to be picked tells me they certainly aren't planing to get him or be able to get him anyway.

[juice78]

  50 minutes ago, juice78 said:

  55 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

  59 minutes ago, juice78 said:

  1 hour ago, stixfix69 said:

Oz is the best at keeping fa and draft picks close to the vest....We all know his draft board has at least 10-15 players that he would pick at #6....Can't wait for the draft....

I don't think there are 10-15 players he'd spend the 6th pick on. I think he's thinking that he needs to get a prow-bowl-calibre, immediate difference-maker, top-at-his-position player.

I think almost every player picked in the top 10 have been starters, so i wouldn't be so sure of that.....

Have been starters in college isn't the same as being a starter in the NFL. My point being that, if there's 10-15 players that can be immediate difference makers and start in the NFL for the Ravens, those that Ozzy grade as being less than the 6th (or 7th or 8th) pick would likely make him trade down and get a player at the spot he values them at. The Ravens got CJ Moseley (immediate starter and impact maker, Pro Bowl in rookie season) for pick #17. Had they been at pick #6 in 2014, I don't think they would have spent it on him. They would have either used it on someone they graded higher or traded down to get him at a lower spot.

didn't say starters in college, they have started in the N.FL when drafted top 10.....

I misunderstood you. I don't know stats, but players taken in draft spots 1-15 have had a lot of busts, too, and not the kind in Canton.

[dirtybird66]

i think with all the off season moves they will now be targeting JACK depending on how his health grades turn out,but now at %80 i bet they feel like they can still get him if they draft back a bit.that would be the perfect scenerio,but the RAVEN'S are never pressed.they made the moves they did so they wouldn't be,every year is different,if they end up working a deal with FREENY,which i love then BUCKNER'S def off the table.JACK when healthy is the best bang for the buck,pick.it's just gonna be fun to see how it play's out,can't hardly wait!

[stixfix69]

i think with all the off season moves they will now be targeting JACK depending on how his health grades turn out,but now at %80 i bet they feel like they can still get him if they draft back a bit.that would be the perfect scenerio,but the RAVEN'S are never pressed.they made the moves they did so they wouldn't be,every year is different,if they end up working a deal with FREENY,which i love then BUCKNER'S def off the table.JACK when healthy is the best bang for the buck,pick.it's just gonna be fun to see how it play's out,can't hardly wait!

agree, Jack has played all over the place on defense, and we need a ILBer....Having one who can run stop, rush the passer, and can actually cover is the total package......As versatile as Suggs is as a OLBer, Jack would be as a ILBer......Would be very lucky if he fell to 6th......

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

I'm tired of hearing about how we drafted HOFers late in the first round 10-20 years ago.Outside of Jimmy Smith and CJ Mosley we haven't even been able to find players I would actually call good in the first round in the past seven drafts.Perriman still has a chance to be good though.We can't afford to trade back just like they think we can't afford to trade up.Bosa,Tunsil,Ramsey,Buckner and Jack are the top 5 players in this draft.If Cleveland doesn't take a QB and no one trades in front of us for a QB,giving up a third to move up a spot or two and get one of them would be worth it.This roster NEEDS that level of talent.

[eze17]

I'm still betting one of those defensive picks are around at #6. Don't forget the Brownies & jerry Jones pick ahead of us, so who knows what either will do, but one if not both will do something unpredictable and probably foolish.

[rmcjacket23]

29 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

I'm tired of hearing about how we drafted HOFers late in the first round 10-20 years ago.Outside of Jimmy Smith and CJ Mosley we haven't even been able to find players I would actually call good in the first round in the past seven drafts.Perriman still has a chance to be good though.We can't afford to trade back just like they think we can't afford to trade up.Bosa,Tunsil,Ramsey,Buckner and Jack are the top 5 players in this draft.If Cleveland doesn't take a QB and no one trades in front of us for a QB,giving up a third to move up a spot or two and get one of them would be worth it.This roster NEEDS that level of talent.

My guess is it would cost more than a third to move up a couple spots.

[juice78]

I'm still betting one of those defensive picks are around at #6. Don't forget the Brownies & jerry Jones pick ahead of us, so who knows what either will do, but one if not both will do something unpredictable and probably foolish.

Hopefully both will pick at a position the Ravens aren't targeting. Maybe the Browns will be the Browns and select a QB with pick #2. Maybe Jerry will pick Elliott with pick #4. That would make #6 better.

[ravensnj]

RG3 signed with the Browns. I see a Qb needy team trading up with us. Maybe the Eagles?

[eze17]

RG3 signed with the Browns. I see a Qb needy team trading up with us. Maybe the Eagles?

Eagle's are like the Brown's and Cowboy's...no one knows what kind of craziness they could pull...Ram's could be desperate enough, and they have a fairly high pick...Jet's and Bronco's also need QB, but they're way down in the draft so don't see B-more trading with them, especially since their pretty decent teams and any future picks probably wouldn't be that high.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

30 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

My guess is it would cost more than a third to move up a couple spots.

 

It wouldn't take more than our third to trade up with Jax or Dallas.In an extreme case Dallas could ask for a sixth or seventh rounder on top of that.If that extra late rounder is the difference between us drafting a Bosa,Jack or Buckneer or being forced to trade down because of the value and pick from the guys who are in the teens,then it would be stupid of us to be stingy with our picks over a Campanaro or Waller type of player who probably won't be on the roster in two years anyway.

[rmcjacket23]

51 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

 

It wouldn't take more than our third to trade up with Jax or Dallas.In an extreme case Dallas could ask for a sixth or seventh rounder on top of that.If that extra late rounder is the difference between us drafting a Bosa,Jack or Buckneer or being forced to trade down because of the value and pick from the guys who are in the teens,then it would be stupid of us to be stingy with our picks over a Campanaro or Waller type of player who probably won't be on the roster in two years anyway.

1. We would never trade with Jacksonville...they pick in front of us. The idea of trading up is to get ahead of somebody who you think may take your player. Trading with the same team you're trying to get ahead of doesn't make any sense.

2. Trading with Dallas MIGHT make sense...if Dallas is certain they can get the player they want two spots later AND as long as the Cowboys and Ravens aren't interested in the same player.

Problem is...all three teams have similar interests in players, or at least appear to. Defensive help at basically all levels is likely what all three of those teams are looking for.

AND...Dallas would have all the leverage, and as such, I wouldn't have any discussions that didn't involve the 36th pick. They'd be freerollling...they're not gaining or losing value from a pick two spots later, and they don't need the deal at all. They can just pick who they want.

[mearzunkies]

I like the front office. Keep the studs there Bisciotti

[mearzunkies]

Pick a stud and pick your places this year. I see a very deep draft and 2nd and 3rd rounders will be solid starters from it. I want to see a top 6 pick playing own that D when the season comes.

[bigcatfrank1]

Ravens take Stanley, end of story. Why delay the inevitable? it is obvious that Monroe is not the long term answer. Even if Stanley doesn't start at LT he gets ready and Monroe shows that he is worth the money, if not a lot of people will be in a heap of trouble.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Ravens take Stanley, end of story. Why delay the inevitable? it is obvious that Monroe is not the long term answer. Even if Stanley doesn't start at LT he gets ready and Monroe shows that he is worth the money, if not a lot of people will be in a heap of trouble.

A possibility certainly, far from a foregone conclusion.

We don't even know if the Ravens have a high grade on Stanley, much like we don't know that he'd even be there to be picked.

[thieverycorporation]

Big picture is we trade back. Other teams have coveted players and the top five projected aren't the only value. You see multiple teams needing QB's and some teams need other positions as they think they have the nucleus in place to be true contenders. Hence they may be willing to trade for an Elliot or grab a QB that would have normally been deemed in the twenties as a viable stop gap. The Browns have just about gutted their team and may be flush with just picking quality vs. status quo. Everything is fluid and as such teams will be in the hunt for the best possible deal. Even if Goff and Wentz are plucked someone may value the second tier as just important in the today. I think all it takes is reasonable compensation in return. One thing for certain is the next two weeks should shake out the stalemates, wink once if your with us wink twice, if your dead serious about the coin. The current free agents in part have some leverage but most don''t have any. Kap? Where you gonna go dude? RG3 whats the hold up? Fitz - it ain't happening like that! Teams will not sink a team financially because they most likely can go cheap and still get similar results from a draft pick. If the ravens don't get greedy they can solidify the roster. There is a lot of hype about this draft but I truly don't see a gotta have player in the top 5. Like certain players sure, but I don't see a blue chipper without question marks. Scheme specific would be my calling card. And believe it, theres a bevy of it throughout this draft that are plug and play types. 

Edited March 25, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[JetLife94]

9 hours ago, billiejean said:

just what we need another slow middle linebacker who can't cover.

Just my two cents. If you think Myles jack is the answer, see what happened when we relied on Perriman to take Torreys place? Not only that we already know jack is injured.

[thieverycorporation]

My take regarding Steve's tone is he expects to hit this draft with little to no room for error. And has put Ozzie and Eric on notice to hit it and do their due diligence. I don't think the status quo will be allowed this year nor will it be will be tolerated with the amount of draft capital we have at our disposal. And he was scheme specific as to where he thought no errors should occur. Also he seems much more involved and animated this year. He obviously wants to smash a few pies in the faces of Kraft and anyone else that has castigated our beloved team. Ozzie better be kicking--- and taking names.

Not so many fans are clamoring In Oz we trust. Just an observation. 

Edited March 25, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[thieverycorporation]

28 minutes ago, JetLife94 said:

Just my two cents. If you think Myles jack is the answer, see what happened when we relied on Perriman to take Torreys place? Not only that we already know jack is injured.

If he's the += of Gurley for this year count me in. But not @ six.

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, JetLife94 said:

Just my two cents. If you think Myles jack is the answer, see what happened when we relied on Perriman to take Torreys place? Not only that we already know jack is injured.

what? i never mentioned Jack

[usmccharles]

Jack @ 6 please.  I will be one happy fan, him and Mosely for years will be a great duo.  Sadly, I think he goes to Dallas

[The Greek]

i personally believe we will trade back to a team that wants a qb badly and will give us a trade proposal the fo cannot refuse.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, The Greek said:

i personally believe we will trade back to a team that wants a qb badly and will give us a trade proposal the fo cannot refuse.

I am all for this.  Say the Rams want to move up and give us their 1st, next year 1st and 3rd....ill take that all day.  I would then use that 3rd and our 2nd to trade back in the first round to grab someone.  We could realistically come out of the first round with Eli Apple and Spence, just an example, but there could be a lot of options if we landed a trade like that.