[News] Steve Bisciotti Could See Ravens Trading Back, But Not Up

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The Ravens have the No. 6 overall pick, and Bisciotti explained what could entice them to move back.

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[juice78]

Dear Ozzie and Eric: Trade pick #6, Lardarius Webb, and Matt Elam to the Titans for pick #1 and draft Jalen Ramsey, your next Hall-of-Fame DB (safety).

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1 minute ago, juice78 said:

Dear Ozzie and Eric: Trade pick #6, Lardarius Webb, and Matt Elam to the Titans for pick #1 and draft Jalen Ramsey, your next Hall-of-Fame DB (safety).

Titans would never do that deal.

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I believe this comment by Steve falls under the "duh" category. No reasonable person thinks we really can move up, and it doesn't make much sense to. Outside of maybe Tunsil, there isn't a player in this draft I see that's worthy giving up another 1st rounder to move up for.

[noleafclover613]

Dear Ozzie and Eric: Trade pick #6, Lardarius Webb, and Matt Elam to the Titans for pick #1 and draft Jalen Ramsey, your next Hall-of-Fame DB (safety).

I don't think we would want to do that deal. I think Webb is going to be great at safety. He won't be Ed, but with "best hands in the secondary", awareness and football IQ, he should be able to be of great benefit to us. And, you are asking us to trade a starting player at one position to replace that same position. If we keep Webb, who will be successful at safety, we can address another position that really needs it. That just makes more sense to me.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I believe this comment by Steve falls under the "duh" category. No reasonable person thinks we really can move up, and it doesn't make much sense to. Outside of maybe Tunsil, there isn't a player in this draft I see that's worthy giving up another 1st rounder to move up for.

you think it would take 6 and another 1st to move up to 3 or 4? I know the draft pick value chart isnt the be all end all, but to move up to 4 is 200 pts, or pick 78 (dead middle of the 3rd round). I know its what they're willing to take; but if the Cowboys would be happy with Bosa, jack, buckner, Goff or Elliott and know they'll have at least 3 of them on the board at 6, while we covet only Bosa or Jack... that trade would make sense and is very do-able.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I believe this comment by Steve falls under the "duh" category. No reasonable person thinks we really can move up, and it doesn't make much sense to. Outside of maybe Tunsil, there isn't a player in this draft I see that's worthy giving up another 1st rounder to move up for.

I'd probably send the Cowboys our 1st and 3rd in return for their 1st, 4th and 7th to make sure we can get Bosa or Jack. And thats a reasonable deal according to the chart.

[ellicottraven]

Trade out of the #6 only if a blue chip player we covet is gone. But, which team will want to trade up is the real question. Every team is smart just like the Ravens and don't like giving up picks.

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17 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

you think it would take 6 and another 1st to move up to 3 or 4? I know the draft pick value chart isnt the be all end all, but to move up to 4 is 200 pts, or pick 78 (dead middle of the 3rd round). I know its what they're willing to take; but if the Cowboys would be happy with Bosa, jack, buckner, Goff or Elliott and know they'll have at least 3 of them on the board at 6, while we covet only Bosa or Jack... that trade would make sense and is very do-able.

Depends on the player, among many factors.

2014: Bills trade from #9 to #4 to select Sammy Watkins. 

Draft trade chart analysis : would cost the Bills 450 points, the equivalent of a mid-2nd round pick.

Actual trade : Bills sent them 2015 first and fourth round picks, which turned out to be worth roughly 940 points, or over double the amount the draft trade value chart suggested.

Keep in mind that giving up a future year pick is a gamble, because it could fall anywhere. Could have been the 1st pick in the draft or the 32nd pick, impossible to tell. Picks could have been worth as much as 3,000 points or more, or as little as 600 points. In either scenario, according to the trade value chart, they overpaid.

Would it cost us less than that? Probably. My guess... any talk of us moving up to inside the top 5 would involve us giving up the 36th pick in this years draft.

Outside of Tunsil (maybe), I don't see a guy in this draft who is worth a 6th and a 36th pick to move up for.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I've said it in other threads and I will repeat it here. It really depends on how the first few picks pan out. If our guy(s) are gone before 6, we trade down, but only if we get a 1st round pick in return. I don't want to skip the first round entirely and get two second rounders. Secondly, if there is a trade we can do to that makes sense to go up and get Tunsil; providing the Ravens believe him to be the beast everyone thinks he will be, then so be it. This is a top heavy talent draft with everything else being in a "good" zone behind the top few picks.

Hopefully the first few picks go as the Ravens brain trust wants and our guy is still there staring us in the face at the 6th pick.

[eze17]

I doubt we'll move from 6th. Although the Ravens have been known to move back for extra picks, it's been a long time since we've been this high in the draft, and i'm not expecting us to be this high again for awhile.(yeah, i'm thinking last year was a one year drop-off, not a steady decline.) I really don't see anyone jumping up to grab the 6th spot, unless it's someone only a few picks behind us, and if the deal is right I could see that. The only really big move would be if Goff was still there(which I doubt.)and one of those teams desperate for a starting QB threw some crazy deal with a boatload of picks, both this year and next, into the mix. But i'll have to see that to believe it.

[eek]

I've said it in other threads and I will repeat it here. It really depends on how the first few picks pan out. If our guy(s) are gone before 6, we trade down, but only if we get a 1st round pick in return. I don't want to skip the first round entirely and get two second rounders. Secondly, if there is a trade we can do to that makes sense to go up and get Tunsil; providing the Ravens believe him to be the beast everyone thinks he will be, then so be it. This is a top heavy talent draft with everything else being in a "good" zone behind the top few picks.

Hopefully the first few picks go as the Ravens brain trust wants and our guy is still there staring us in the face at the 6th pick.

i think it mainly deals on the first pick, IF someone trades to get a qb or not

[JetLife94]

I have a feeling we might trade back and grab Reggie Ragland and stockpile picks I don't know why.

[juice78]

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

[noleafclover613]

I have a feeling we might trade back and grab Reggie Ragland and stockpile picks I don't know why.

If Jack falls away from us and we can get a good enough deal to leave Buckner on the table at #6, I'm all for it. I love his physicality, but I have to question his pursuit ability.

[juice78]

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

Based on the four most recent mock drafts on nfl.com and taking into account the Browns signing RG3, the Ravens are likely to see Ramsey, Tunsil, Buckner, Jack, and possibly Bosa off the board. They represent the top-graded players at DB, OT, DE, OLB, and DE (2nd highest) respectively--the Ravens top needs.

[noleafclover613]

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

Just because the Browns are signing RG3 does not mean they are not drafting a QB at 2. With RG3's injury history and inconsistent play, you can't think he is the answer to your problems. They will probably release McCown and I believe Jackson will want to get in a young talent that he can mold to his liking.

And if the Browns don't take a QB, I still believe there will be at least 2-3 teams that will be wanting to jump above the #7 pick a snatch the QB of their liking before SF.

[juice78]

  7 minutes ago, juice78 said:

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

Just because the Browns are signing RG3 does not mean they are not drafting a QB at 2. With RG3's injury history and inconsistent play, you can't think he is the answer to your problems. They will probably release McCown and I believe Jackson will want to get in a young talent that he can mold to his liking.

And if the Browns don't take a QB, I still believe there will be at least 2-3 teams that will be wanting to jump above the #7 pick a snatch the QB of their liking before SF.

It's the Browns. It's RG3. He was signed to be QB1. I will be shocked if they use pick #2 on a QB to challenge a recently signed QB who likely wasn't interested in signing to a team that was going to make him sincerely compete for the starting job. QB Jesus was signed to save the Browns from their misery.

[stixfix69]

Oz is the best at keeping fa and draft picks close to the vest....We all know his draft board has at least 10-15 players that he would pick at #6....Can't wait for the draft....

[juice78]

Oz is the best at keeping fa and draft picks close to the vest....We all know his draft board has at least 10-15 players that he would pick at #6....Can't wait for the draft....

I don't think there are 10-15 players he'd spend the 6th pick on. I think he's thinking that he needs to get a prow-bowl-calibre, immediate difference-maker, top-at-his-position player.

[cobrajet]

I believe this comment by Steve falls under the "duh" category. No reasonable person thinks we really can move up, and it doesn't make much sense to. Outside of maybe Tunsil, there isn't a player in this draft I see that's worthy giving up another 1st rounder to move up for.

I agree, moving up makes no sense. Tunsil is probably worthy of the #1 pick and I would love to have him, but even then I don't think he would be worth moving up for. Can get a quality player at #6 and keep our other picks and guys. I don't want to move back unless we stay pretty high in the first round and get a decent deal for doing so. We need an impact player.

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18 minutes ago, juice78 said:

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

I don't see how this changes the Browns need for a QB one bit. Still firmly expect them to strongly consider a QB at #2.

RGIII isn't the type of QB you bring in and just be like "yeah, we are good there". Pretty much the equivalent of the Broncos bringing in Mark Sanchez.

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9 minutes ago, juice78 said:

It's the Browns. It's RG3. He was signed to be QB1. I will be shocked if they use pick #2 on a QB to challenge a recently signed QB who likely wasn't interested in signing to a team that was going to make him sincerely compete for the starting job. QB Jesus was signed to save the Browns from their misery.

Note its a 2 year contract, and when the details come out, I'd bet it'll be a smaller deal with very little guaranteed money.

Basically... not the kind of deal you sign a player to that is expected to save the franchise.

[stixfix69]

  5 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

Oz is the best at keeping fa and draft picks close to the vest....We all know his draft board has at least 10-15 players that he would pick at #6....Can't wait for the draft....

I don't think there are 10-15 players he'd spend the 6th pick on. I think he's thinking that he needs to get a prow-bowl-calibre, immediate difference-maker, top-at-his-position player.

I think almost every player picked in the top 10 have been starters, so i wouldn't be so sure of that.....

[juice78]

  11 minutes ago, juice78 said:

It's the Browns. It's RG3. He was signed to be QB1. I will be shocked if they use pick #2 on a QB to challenge a recently signed QB who likely wasn't interested in signing to a team that was going to make him sincerely compete for the starting job. QB Jesus was signed to save the Browns from their misery.

Note its a 2 year contract, and when the details come out, I'd bet it'll be a smaller deal with very little guaranteed money.

Basically... not the kind of deal you sign a player to that is expected to save the franchise.

Good point.

[noleafclover613]

  11 minutes ago, noleafclover613 said:

  17 minutes ago, juice78 said:

One step closer to Ravens likely trading down: RG3 to sign with Browns. The only team in the top-5 who would possibly draft a QB is now the Cowboys. 4-5 non-QBs will go and the Ravens will likely be unable to draft a player who not only plays a position of need, but is the top prospect at their position.

Just because the Browns are signing RG3 does not mean they are not drafting a QB at 2. With RG3's injury history and inconsistent play, you can't think he is the answer to your problems. They will probably release McCown and I believe Jackson will want to get in a young talent that he can mold to his liking.

And if the Browns don't take a QB, I still believe there will be at least 2-3 teams that will be wanting to jump above the #7 pick a snatch the QB of their liking before SF.

It's the Browns. It's RG3. He was signed to be QB1. I will be shocked if they use pick #2 on a QB to challenge a recently signed QB who likely wasn't interested in signing to a team that was going to make him sincerely compete for the starting job. QB Jesus was signed to save the Browns from their misery.

They may have signed him to be their QB 1 for the time being. He may want to start, but can he make it 16 games. In today's nfl, coaches don't get 5 years to implement a system and get things right. You have 2-3 years, unless you are Jeff Fisher. They may not take a QB with two overall, but they are getting another QB. I would definitely be on that.

And like I said, if they skip on a QB at #2 and the Cowboys and Chargers follow suit at 3 and 4, I believe there will be GMs and Owners begging to get above #7.

[juice78]

  5 minutes ago, juice78 said:

  8 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

Oz is the best at keeping fa and draft picks close to the vest....We all know his draft board has at least 10-15 players that he would pick at #6....Can't wait for the draft....

I don't think there are 10-15 players he'd spend the 6th pick on. I think he's thinking that he needs to get a prow-bowl-calibre, immediate difference-maker, top-at-his-position player.

I think almost every player picked in the top 10 have been starters, so i wouldn't be so sure of that.....

Have been starters in college isn't the same as being a starter in the NFL. My point being that, if there's 10-15 players that can be immediate difference makers and start in the NFL for the Ravens, those that Ozzy grade as being less than the 6th (or 7th or 8th) pick would likely make him trade down and get a player at the spot he values them at. The Ravens got CJ Moseley (immediate starter and impact maker, Pro Bowl in rookie season) for pick #17. Had they been at pick #6 in 2014, I don't think they would have spent it on him. They would have either used it on someone they graded higher or traded down to get him at a lower spot.

[stixfix69]

  7 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

  12 minutes ago, juice78 said:

  14 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

Oz is the best at keeping fa and draft picks close to the vest....We all know his draft board has at least 10-15 players that he would pick at #6....Can't wait for the draft....

I don't think there are 10-15 players he'd spend the 6th pick on. I think he's thinking that he needs to get a prow-bowl-calibre, immediate difference-maker, top-at-his-position player.

I think almost every player picked in the top 10 have been starters, so i wouldn't be so sure of that.....

Have been starters in college isn't the same as being a starter in the NFL. My point being that, if there's 10-15 players that can be immediate difference makers and start in the NFL for the Ravens, those that Ozzy grade as being less than the 6th (or 7th or 8th) pick would likely make him trade down and get a player at the spot he values them at. The Ravens got CJ Moseley (immediate starter and impact maker, Pro Bowl in rookie season) for pick #17. Had they been at pick #6 in 2014, I don't think they would have spent it on him. They would have either used it on someone they graded higher or traded down to get him at a lower spot.

didn't say starters in college, they have started in the N.FL when drafted top 10.....

[FloridalovesRavens]

Dear Ozzie and Eric: Trade pick #6, Lardarius Webb, and Matt Elam to the Titans for pick #1 and draft Jalen Ramsey, your next Hall-of-Fame DB (safety).

No way. No how. Really don't think that would work out. We have never done anything like that before (if memory serves me correctly) and I don't think that would happen now.

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2 minutes ago, noleafclover613 said:

They may have signed him to be their QB 1 for the time being. He may want to start, but can he make it 16 games. In today's nfl, coaches don't get 5 years to implement a system and get things right. You have 2-3 years, unless you are Jeff Fisher. They may not take a QB with two overall, but they are getting another QB. I would definitely be on that.

And like I said, if they skip on a QB at #2 and the Cowboys and Chargers follow suit at 3 and 4, I believe there will be GMs and Owners begging to get above #7.

Hard to say at this point.

I think we all need to remember that its not simply about getting A QB. Its about getting THE QB, and with a pick that high, he better be very good. By just about anybodies standards, this isn't a great class for QBs, and if teams aren't in love with these guys, trading up to get them doesn't make a ton of sense.

Knowing Chip Kelly, who knows if the 49ers are even interested. If he wants to run his stereotypical offense, one would suspect that Kaepernick would be a better fit than Wentz or Goff. 

Obviously, QBs tend to come off the board sooner than expected historically, so in all likelihood something like this could happen.

The other key thing to look at is draft positioning...

Lets say no QB goes in the top 5, and we get to us at #6...who's coming up? After SF, the next logical choice would be Philly at 13 and the Rams at 15. To me, Philly makes very little sense, because they just invested $18M in Bradford and another $7M in Chase Daniels this offseason. So how realistic of an option are they? 

So you have the Rams at 15, the Jets at 20 (I don't see Buffalo at 19 moving up), and Denver at 31. That's about it from what I see.

So in my opinion, three teams that would even be remotely interested in moving up to 6 to get ahead of SF. But what if a team has Wentz and Goff as equals? Meaning if the 49ers take one of them, the Rams don't have to trade up to get the other one, because they will fall right to them.

Not to mention the gigantic cost it would take for a team to move from the teens or even as late as Denver to get up to 6 to take a QB... and this is a bad QB class.

Bottom line... I don't see it. I think the Browns take Wentz, and then MAYBE somebody moves up for Goff. Other than that, I think Goff slides all the way down to the Philly/Rams range before getting snagged.