Honest predictions for the coming season

[RavensDieHard21]

4 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

Why OBJ if he can shut down dez and AB (for one game)?

Because I trust that Eli manning will be throwing the ball to OBJ, where Romo is questionable after injuring his collar bone twice and becoming a little brittle in his older age. Dez is a beast and I know he was injured and his QB was injured, but he is an emotional player and I see it is easy for CBs to get in his head and he drops too many balls. Jimmy will be physical and frustrate him, which leads to shut down city. Also, we have had much better luck covering brown at home with the crowd noise and scheming good game plans to slow him down. OBJ is a freak and has better hands and is quicker as well, on top of Manning's tendency to target him around 10 times a game. I guess we will see how that goes

[berad]

31 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Insert a healthy Jimmy Smith and Hargreaves with a better pass rush, as well as two safeties that are great in coverage and i am a lot more confident, at least more confident then Dez making a catch lol

I'm hung up on the 'better pass rush' part. We're banking on Suggs , Dumervil, Zardarius, and maybe even Jernigan being healthy and productive. Those are our top 4 rushers at this point. I still think we'll have to add a high pick at either DE or OLB who can provide a legitimate threat. Bisciotti has said two years in a row it's a top need, I think they make it a priority... probably even before CB.

Don't think Freeney comes here, either. If we wanted him, he would've played in 2015 instead of Babin.

[ludy51]

11 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Because I trust that Eli manning will be throwing the ball to OBJ, where Romo is questionable after injuring his collar bone twice and becoming a little brittle in his older age. Dez is a beast and I know he was injured and his QB was injured, but he is an emotional player and I see it is easy for CBs to get in his head and he drops too many balls. Jimmy will be physical and frustrate him, which leads to shut down city. Also, we have had much better luck covering brown at home with the crowd noise and scheming good game plans to slow him down. OBJ is a freak and has better hands and is quicker as well, on top of Manning's tendency to target him around 10 times a game. I guess we will see how that goes

One could argue OBJ gets emotional with physical corners after his little showing with Josh Norman

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, berad said:

I'm hung up on the 'better pass rush' part. We're banking on Suggs , Dumervil, Zardarius, and maybe even Jernigan being healthy and productive. Those are our top 4 rushers at this point. I still think we'll have to add a high pick at either DE or OLB who can provide a legitimate threat. Bisciotti has said two years in a row it's a top need, I think they make it a priority... probably even before CB.

Don't think Freeney comes here, either. If we wanted him, he would've played in 2015 instead of Babin.

That's why I think a guy like Freeney doesn't make sense to sign until after the draft... as an insurance policy for a draft that didn't pan out the way we wanted in terms of getting a pass rusher.

The scary part... say we basically don't add a rusher until maybe day 3, in which expectations are low. Not so much 2016, but look at 2017. Dumervil, Suggs and Freeney are your top 3 rushers, even add in Zadarius Smith as the 4th.

There's a scenario where none of those top three are even on the team in 2017, one way or another. Dumervil, depending on how this season goes, could easily be in his last year here given his contract, Suggs could possibly consider retirement (again, depending on how the season goes), and Freeney is obviously nearly done.

Good luck replacing your top 3 pass rushers in a single offseason.

[berad]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's why I think a guy like Freeney doesn't make sense to sign until after the draft... as an insurance policy for a draft that didn't pan out the way we wanted in terms of getting a pass rusher.

The scary part... say we basically don't add a rusher until maybe day 3, in which expectations are low. Not so much 2016, but look at 2017. Dumervil, Suggs and Freeney are your top 3 rushers, even add in Zadarius Smith as the 4th.

There's a scenario where none of those top three are even on the team in 2017, one way or another. Dumervil, depending on how this season goes, could easily be in his last year here given his contract, Suggs could possibly consider retirement (again, depending on how the season goes), and Freeney is obviously nearly done.

Good luck replacing your top 3 pass rushers in a single offseason.

Yeah, unquestionably a need. Whether one we like is there at 6, we trade back, or wait until day 2 remains to be seen. Not choosing a young pass rusher, especially at OLB, is hard to justify imo.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, berad said:

Yeah, unquestionably a need. Whether one we like is there at 6, we trade back, or wait until day 2 remains to be seen. Not choosing a young pass rusher, especially at OLB, is hard to justify imo.

I mean, its basically gotta be in the first two days, which is first three rounds. It kind of goes in the face of the "BPA" strategy, though that is based on a long list of needs.

I just don't see how you come out of that Friday without adding somebody you think can be a pass rusher. Would be a huge gamble on our part to not do that. Its pretty much the one position where I think we are all certain we would take somebody. I could see us passing on corners, OL, etc. in those rounds, but I just don't see how we get through day 2 without a rusher of some sort.

Edited March 31, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[RavensDieHard21]

34 minutes ago, berad said:

I'm hung up on the 'better pass rush' part. We're banking on Suggs , Dumervil, Zardarius, and maybe even Jernigan being healthy and productive. Those are our top 4 rushers at this point. I still think we'll have to add a high pick at either DE or OLB who can provide a legitimate threat. Bisciotti has said two years in a row it's a top need, I think they make it a priority... probably even before CB.

Don't think Freeney comes here, either. If we wanted him, he would've played in 2015 instead of Babin.

I see a pass rusher coming to us in the first or second. If Bosa and Buckner are gone by our first round pick, then I see Hargreaves as being the next biggest impact player available. Maybe Lawson, but many don't see him as a top 10 pick, but I wouldn't mind the pick one bit. I am hopeful that Spence or Dodd make it to us at our second pick.

[RavensDieHard21]

27 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

One could argue OBJ gets emotional with physical corners after his little showing with Josh Norman

That's true, but he still made catches after the mishaps, where Dez just looked like a shell of his former self. That catch no-catch dilemma in GB I feel has tormented him lol

[RavensDieHard21]

22 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean, its basically gotta be in the first two days, which is first three rounds. It kind of goes in the face of the "BPA" strategy, though that is based on a long list of needs.

I just don't see how you come out of that Friday without adding somebody you think can be a pass rusher. Would be a huge gamble on our part to not do that. Its pretty much the one position where I think we are all certain we would take somebody. I could see us passing on corners, OL, etc. in those rounds, but I just don't see how we get through day 2 without a rusher of some sort.

Realistic pass rushers to select 

1. Bosa (6) 

2. Lawson (6) hopeful a trade back scenario 

3. Dodd (36) Would most likely be a traded up 

4. Spence (36) If we look past his past and see how well we played and him staying clean, this would be a steal 

5. Ogbah (36) Has a lot of potential, but too raw still I feel. 

6. Calhoun (36) Very smart pass rusher and some feel this would be a reach, but could be a trade back here. 

7. Yannick (70) Has tremendous speed and explosiveness, just needs to be polished up a bit, but would be a nice option if pass rush isn't addressed 

[berad]

17 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I see a pass rusher coming to us in the first or second. If Bosa and Buckner are gone by our first round pick, then I see Hargreaves as being the next biggest impact player available. Maybe Lawson, but many don't see him as a top 10 pick, but I wouldn't mind the pick one bit. I am hopeful that Spence or Dodd make it to us at our second pick.

You undoubtedly know more about it than I do - I'm just learning now since I don't watch college football on a regular basis. I've fooled around with the fanspeak 'on the clock' mock draft which is flawed and sometimes, just from the way the board falls, I don't end up with an OLB until late.

edit - I'm taking away from what the thread should be about. My biggest question mark this year surrounding the defense is secondary - it's all new - but also the future of our pass rush. When the owner's harping on it, he's probably parroting a little bit of what Ozzie and Harbs discuss with him.

Edited March 31, 2016 by berad

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I only really fear OBJ, Gronk, Brown in Pitt, and Green. I think Jimmy will shut down the rest of them if Frazier has his way and Pees also allows Jimmy to press. We somehow are finding ways to bracket out Antonio, but he is another animal at home though. I just want us for two games in one season get the better of AJ Green lol too many late game miracles spoiling our fun

I think aj green will have a tougher time with is 2 and 3s gone 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean, its basically gotta be in the first two days, which is first three rounds. It kind of goes in the face of the "BPA" strategy, though that is based on a long list of needs.

I just don't see how you come out of that Friday without adding somebody you think can be a pass rusher. Would be a huge gamble on our part to not do that. Its pretty much the one position where I think we are all certain we would take somebody. I could see us passing on corners, OL, etc. in those rounds, but I just don't see how we get through day 2 without a rusher of some sort.

I would honestly consider, even if we go Bosa in the 1st... if Noah Spence is hanging around in the late 1st, early 2nd... id take him at 36 or trade up a little to grab him.

I think both will be very good to great pass rushers in the NFL. Bosa more in the mold of Suggs in that hes very good both against the run and pass rushing, and Spence more of a pass rush specialist. Landing both would greatly increase the chances that we get at least 1 premier pass rusher for the future, and theres a decent chance we essentially replace Suggs and Doom with younger, faster versions of themselves.

Then there are some mid round prospects that I like to fill out other positions like Cyrus Jones at CB/return specialist and Beavers as a tackle/guard prospect.

But as youve articulated well - we NEED to land a big time talent at pass rusher in this draft, and preferably an edge rusher. Buckner has potential to rush from the inside, but i like Jernigan and Urbans potential there. Outside of 2 guys that may only have 1-2 years left, we have 0 dependable edge rushing talent since McPhee left.

[RavensDieHard21]

12 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I would honestly consider, even if we go Bosa in the 1st... if Noah Spence is hanging around in the late 1st, early 2nd... id take him at 36 or trade up a little to grab him.

I think both will be very good to great pass rushers in the NFL. Bosa more in the mold of Suggs in that hes very good both against the run and pass rushing, and Spence more of a pass rush specialist. Landing both would greatly increase the chances that we get at least 1 premier pass rusher for the future, and theres a decent chance we essentially replace Suggs and Doom with younger, faster versions of themselves.

Then there are some mid round prospects that I like to fill out other positions like Cyrus Jones at CB/return specialist and Beavers as a tackle/guard prospect.

But as youve articulated well - we NEED to land a big time talent at pass rusher in this draft, and preferably an edge rusher. Buckner has potential to rush from the inside, but i like Jernigan and Urbans potential there. Outside of 2 guys that may only have 1-2 years left, we have 0 dependable edge rushing talent since McPhee left.

Everyone hates the idea of dipping into the same positional group twice when there are other needs, but if they both are BPA and we need young pass rushers, then why not double down and ensure our future is set. A prime example is Carolina in 2013. They absolutely needed WR help, an OT, and an upgraded secondary, but with their first pick they took Star, then they made a shocking move and took Short next--doubling down on interior Defensive lineman. ask them how happy they're with that move now. Star is a great run stuffer and pocket collapsing specialist, and Short just had 13 sacks including the post season from the interior and was a stone wall against the run. Their interior line not only is stacked and can stop the run as well as generate pressure easily, but it keeps their linebackers able to freely run and gives the secondary an advantage. In this scenario of landing Bosa and Spence, Dodd, or Calhoun, we get two young studs and double our chances at landing a blue chip prospect. It will also help mask any problems in the secondary and give us time to address it the year after. I know most people want us to take our needs in order, but sometimes that is just unrealistic as our next pick might just be better suited on another edge rusher that we have pegged as a top 15-20 pick instead of a CB or T that is the next best available, but we have them as a mid second round pick...

[jimmypowder]

Here's my prediction ; I have no Freakin idea. Will Joe,Suggs & Steve Smith be completely healthy? Add in Gilmore 

Monroe, Jimmy Smith,Camp,Perriman, and on and on 

[scrock]

I'm not really high on Bosa...not hearing great things about him, hope the Ravens pass...in a perfect world they get Ramsey...but that's not happening.

We do need pass rushers though...maybe Buckner

[ellicottraven]

All I can say is we won't go 5-11 again this coming year. It isn't an easy schedule by any means, but we'll slug it out with the best of them and win between 8 and 11 games. This again is a bit premature because our rosters aren't set.

[IGwheaties_man]

Playing Washington at home isn't a good tell tale sign. I had a dream we lost 24-27 away week 1 then 27-0 at home against Washington. That's deja vu.

[Maryland]

6 hours ago, scrock said:

I'm not really high on Bosa...not hearing great things about him, hope the Ravens pass...in a perfect world they get Ramsey...but that's not happening.

We do need pass rushers though...maybe Buckner

I think my only knock on Bosa is that he sounds like a total meat-head when he talks, kind of like Gronk lol. He's not the party animal that Gronk is, however. 

[PolishRifle]

Keep it up, Joe!

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Edited April 2, 2016 by PolishRifle

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, PolishRifle said:

Keep it up, Joe!

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Great news there, thanks for posting

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Time to be controversial. I think we'll be better by default. We have a few people coming back from injuries and they should make a ton of difference. Forsett, Flacco, Suggs, Steve, Jimmy should be back. We have made a few good additions as well. Weddle is great, Wallace, Watson. 

 

But we haven't replaced KO, haven't found a LT, haven't gotten an edge rusher, haven't found a corner to replace Webb. I'm damn concerned with our lack of activity. Blame the cap space all you want. You've got a few replaceable players on the roster for easy money. We haven't found a replacement for Daryl Smith, and we haven't gotten more depth along the defense, which I've been arguing was the weakness. 

 

I'm damn concerned. We need more talent. I think we'd probably be a playoff team if everything goes right. But I honestly doubt this draft class' talent. There are a few bonafida stars in my eyes. Bosa, Jack, Tunsil. And I doubt we land one of them. 

 

9-7 at best for me. Sorry guys. 

[usmccharles]

16 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Time to be controversial. I think we'll be better by default. We have a few people coming back from injuries and they should make a ton of difference. Forsett, Flacco, Suggs, Steve, Jimmy should be back. We have made a few good additions as well. Weddle is great, Wallace, Watson. 

 

But we haven't replaced KO, haven't found a LT, haven't gotten an edge rusher, haven't found a corner to replace Webb. I'm damn concerned with our lack of activity. Blame the cap space all you want. You've got a few replaceable players on the roster for easy money. We haven't found a replacement for Daryl Smith, and we haven't gotten more depth along the defense, which I've been arguing was the weakness. 

 

I'm damn concerned. We need more talent. I think we'd probably be a playoff team if everything goes right. But I honestly doubt this draft class' talent. There are a few bonafida stars in my eyes. Bosa, Jack, Tunsil. And I doubt we land one of them. 

 

9-7 at best for me. Sorry guys. 

Man, normally your a tad more optimistic. 

You never even mentioned BP. 

I think our secondary is going to be a lot better than people think with Jimmy finally going to be healthy, Webb moving to safety, I actually like Wright and his potential.  I do agree I am concerned about LT and LB.  I thought you were going to say a 6 win team from the way you were talking lol

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

11 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Man, normally your a tad more optimistic. 

You never even mentioned BP. 

I think our secondary is going to be a lot better than people think with Jimmy finally going to be healthy, Webb moving to safety, I actually like Wright and his potential.  I do agree I am concerned about LT and LB.  I thought you were going to say a 6 win team from the way you were talking lol

 

I love Perriman. I honestly think he's going to be good if healthy. But the reports about him lately are pretty damning. 

I like Wright but he's not a #2 CB. He's a #3. We need a #2. We need a new guard. Urschel wasn't very good last season and I don't trust Jensen full time. We need a LT. Either a backup or a regular starter. I don't think Monroe is the problem but he's average.  We need depth. Haven't gotten any. We need a replacement for Hill. Not too confident in Webby as a safety 

[usmccharles]

39 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I love Perriman. I honestly think he's going to be good if healthy. But the reports about him lately are pretty damning. 

I like Wright but he's not a #2 CB. He's a #3. We need a #2. We need a new guard. Urschel wasn't very good last season and I don't trust Jensen full time. We need a LT. Either a backup or a regular starter. I don't think Monroe is the problem but he's average.  We need depth. Haven't gotten any. We need a replacement for Hill. Not too confident in Webby as a safety 

what has been said lately?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

12 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

what has been said lately?

He's not even running at full speed yet. Yes I understand that it doesn't matter till OTAs but that's not what I'm concerned about. What happens with another injury? He took forever to heal/is in the process of healing.

[usmccharles]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He's not even running at full speed yet. Yes I understand that it doesn't matter till OTAs but that's not what I'm concerned about. What happens with another injury? He took forever to heal/is in the process of healing.

Yea thats definitely strange.  Im scared as hell with him as well, however i do think he will be a beast...if he plays.  Could end up being the biggest bust...

[Ravenslifer]

If all of the injured players come back healthy and play up to expectations, I feel we'll be a playoff team again.  If not, we could end up the same as we were this year.  I don't think this draft will really change our fortunes THIS year - as much as DeCosta mentions instant coffee, I think this draft is much more about the future of the team, particularly on defense, than about the 2016 season.

[ellicottraven]

All I can say is we won't go 5-11 again this coming year. It isn't an easy schedule by any means, but we'll slug it out with the best of them and win between 8 and 11 games. This again is a bit premature because our rosters aren't set.

[757RavensFan]

19 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Time to be controversial. I think we'll be better by default. We have a few people coming back from injuries and they should make a ton of difference. Forsett, Flacco, Suggs, Steve, Jimmy should be back. We have made a few good additions as well. Weddle is great, Wallace, Watson. 

 

But we haven't replaced KO, haven't found a LT, haven't gotten an edge rusher, haven't found a corner to replace Webb. I'm damn concerned with our lack of activity. Blame the cap space all you want. You've got a few replaceable players on the roster for easy money. We haven't found a replacement for Daryl Smith, and we haven't gotten more depth along the defense, which I've been arguing was the weakness. 

 

I'm damn concerned. We need more talent. I think we'd probably be a playoff team if everything goes right. But I honestly doubt this draft class' talent. There are a few bonafida stars in my eyes. Bosa, Jack, Tunsil. And I doubt we land one of them. 

 

9-7 at best for me. Sorry guys. 

Two options here; if we don't draft Myles Jack, I think Orr is going to surprise people. 

[ALPHA]

I have some concerns about Flacco's recovery, he could struggle if his leg doesn't feel right under him, so much of a QB's rhythm and arm strength comes from his legs.