Who would you pick at 36th in the 2nd round?

[Alabama Raven]

As an Alabama fan who has watched every down of football for the Crimson Tide for the past 20 years, there's some interesting opinions flying around about two players, Cyrus Jones & Reggie Ragland. 

1) Do not touch Cyrus Jones until the 4th/5th round at the earliest. He will not contribute as a CB in the NFL for several years, if ever. He is a good return man, but that doesn't merit the early round pick. Stay away from him. 

2) Ragland is a solid. Linebacker. He would pair well with Mosley. Yes, he would struggle in coverage as many true MLB's do. However, he's more athletic than some in this thread have given him credit for. We would be lucky to have him. I imagine he'll go somewhere around 15-20 overall, and rightfully so. The best LB Comparison I could make is Donta Hightower. He's a good starter in the league within his first 2ish years. 

[Gordo52]

What do y'all think of Calhoun in the 2nd? Love his potential as a pass rusher. 

[Jacquouille]

52 minutes ago, Gordo52 said:

What do y'all think of Calhoun in the 2nd? Love his potential as a pass rusher. 

We talked about it in Flex's mock. Basically some think his first step is inconsistent (I disagree), and I think he lacks strength and get swallowed by bigger OT. However, everyone agrees to say he's got good speed and moves. Looks like a pass rushing specialist in his first year, because he's a non factor in the running game as of now.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

What do y'all think of Calhoun in the 2nd? Love his potential as a pass rusher. 

I like him. He understands pass rushing. He isn't some specimen who jumps off the tape but he's impressive because he's a squeaky clean pass rusher in college and you don't see him trying to fly around the edge or bullrush every snap because he plays the OT like chess, he gets his advantage by timing the snap and then he's not scared to lose the corner by making a move, he will stutter step and slow up the OTs drop, he'll throw a hand and speed up to make the OT commit with the intention of cutting back inside etc etc.. He is one of the smarter pass rushers in the class, he doesn't need to be a workout warrior to succeed I think.

[trevorsteadman]

What does everybody think of Davontae Booker from Utah? In my opinion he may be the 2nd best back in the draft behind Elliot. Do people see him being worth a 36th pick? I haven't read too much about him throughout this offseason I was wondering what you guys think. I think we need a 3 down back especially after how poor our running backs looked curious I was wondering how high you see him going.

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

What does everybody think of Davontae Booker from Utah? In my opinion he may be the 2nd best back in the draft behind Elliot. Do people see him being worth a 36th pick? I haven't read too much about him throughout this offseason I was wondering what you guys think. I think we need a 3 down back especially after how poor our running backs looked curious I was wondering how high you see him going.

That's a no for me. I'd be cool with Eliott because he's a generational talent that would change the whole offense. If we don't take him, I'm waiting for next year's sensationnal class and enjoying the DB depth or Spence with our second round this year 

Edited March 30, 2016 by Jacquouille

[Clmraven]

So I just checked out Keanu Neal after not hearing anything about him, I'm now seeing people have him as a late first early second rounder, and I can see why he looks pretty darn good explosive quick athlete who looks good in deep coverage as well as an enforcer in the box, looks instinctive didn't bite on the play action even against Bama, my only issue is that he doesn't wrap up consistently leading to some broken tackles but I don't think it's as bad as someone like Elam because Neal takes really good angles to the ball. Even with our recent bad luck with UF safety's I would really consider grabbing at 36 if he's there.

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 2:21 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm glad to see Apple rising. I think he's got bust written all over him and I wanna see him push Alexander to us

Any top defensive player in the first round with Alexander as our second has our defense looking a lot scarier. Imagine Bosa, Buckner, Jack up front and then adding Alexander. haha or we go Hargreaves then Alexander and rename our secondary to have some cool trade marked name lmao jk but it would make it the new strength no doubt in my mind. But I know we need a young pass rusher too much

[Jacquouille]

Buckner, Spence and then trade up from the 3rd to get Kendall Fuller. Daydreaming.

[Gordo52]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like him. He understands pass rushing. He isn't some specimen who jumps off the tape but he's impressive because he's a squeaky clean pass rusher in college and you don't see him trying to fly around the edge or bullrush every snap because he plays the OT like chess, he gets his advantage by timing the snap and then he's not scared to lose the corner by making a move, he will stutter step and slow up the OTs drop, he'll throw a hand and speed up to make the OT commit with the intention of cutting back inside etc etc.. He is one of the smarter pass rushers in the class, he doesn't need to be a workout warrior to succeed I think.

Read something somewhere saying he & Bosa had the most QB pressures throughout college careers, out of all prospects.

 

Wouldn't mind taking both if available. 

Edited March 31, 2016 by Gordo52

[Maryland]

16 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

What does everybody think of Davontae Booker from Utah? In my opinion he may be the 2nd best back in the draft behind Elliot. Do people see him being worth a 36th pick? I haven't read too much about him throughout this offseason I was wondering what you guys think. I think we need a 3 down back especially after how poor our running backs looked curious I was wondering how high you see him going.

I like Booker, but I wouldn't want him as our 2nd pick. His durability concerns me. 

I kind of don't want to spend a pick on a RB unless it's very good value. I would be satisfied with just entering the season with Forsett, Buck, Taliaferro, West, MaGee, and TRich and see which 3 emerge. It's a whole lot of average, but good enough. 

/you're right, forgot MaGee. Going to be one epic battle at the RB position this year lol.

Edited March 31, 2016 by Maryland

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I like Booker, but I wouldn't want him as our 2nd pick. His durability concerns me. 

I kind of don't want to spend a pick on a RB unless it's very good value. I would be satisfied with just entering the season with Forsett, Buck, Taliaferro, West, and TRich and see which 3 emerge. It's a whole lot of average, but good enough. 

We have just signed Magee, too (ERFA, 1 year contract).

Edited March 31, 2016 by allblackraven

[KBoum]

The more I watch the CBs, the more Alexander is my guy.

I don't know who was the best cover corner last year according to PFF but I know VH3 was 71th. Got beat deep many times. Alexander was solid most of the time and if the Ravens can adress pass rush with the first pick, I'd trade back end of the 1st to pick Alexander.  

 

I'm not saying he's better than VH3, but I want him more because the lack of pass rush in the 2nd round is problematic and there will still be some CBs left I'm pretty sure. 1- Bosa 2- Alexander. I like that better than 1- VH3 2- Spence

[JoeyFlex5]

20 minutes ago, KBoum said:

The more I watch the CBs, the more Alexander is my guy.

I don't know who was the best cover corner last year according to PFF but I know VH3 was 71th. Got beat deep many times. Alexander was solid most of the time and if the Ravens can adress pass rush with the first pick, I'd trade back end of the 1st to pick Alexander.  

 

I'm not saying he's better than VH3, but I want him more because the lack of pass rush in the 2nd round is problematic and there will still be some CBs left I'm pretty sure. 1- Bosa 2- Alexander. I like that better than 1- VH3 2- Spence

Bosa has to be there for that to work. 

 

And pff is flawed in db ratings, very flawed, more than any position group. Things like blown zone assignments arent taken into account so when a corner follow his zone assignment and the safety blows it, the corner ends up taking the hit often if the wr started the play by running past his zone. And extremely flawed rating system. Vh3 didn't get beat deep "many times", especially not in situations where he was responsible for the deep coverage. He followed his zone assignments and guys got deep against the safety. And the times where he did get beat deep, after a stellar career he gave up a few double moves. So he didn't get "beat deep many times". 

 

I also suggest you pay attention to how rarely Alexander had to cover for more than 2 seconds, and how rarely the qb was able to locate the receiver and place the ball effectively. Alexander has not been even close to tested and wrs have gotten open on him in man coverage and the qb failed to deliver.

[KBoum]

Still some interesting reads : 

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/31/draft-round-by-round-ranking-of-2016s-best-nfl-cb-prospects/?utm_content=buffere5424&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

and

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/31/draft-top-nfl-prospects-by-position-outside-of-the-power-5/

and

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/29/draft-5-boom-or-bust-prospects-in-the-2016-nfl-draft/

 

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4. Vernon Hargreaves III, CB. University of Florida

Hargreaves’ playmaking ability is unquestioned, but his regression as a junior is a concern. After recording the second-highest coverage grade in 2014, VHIII fell to 71^st last season. The big plays remained (four interceptions and four pass deflections), but Hargreaves appeared to abandon his responsibility on occasion in favor of personal statistics. He gave up 380 yards on just 24 receptions, jumping routes underneath in both man and zone coverage. Hargreaves was beat with authority on a number of double moves as a junior and busted a handful of deep third coverages. The size criticism is, in many ways, the least of his concerns. Although he doesn’t always display physicality in press coverage, and when shedding blocks in the screen game, Hargreaves is capable of challenging receivers at the catch point despite his short stature.

 

Source : PFF

[KBoum]

I'll go back to watching some CBs tape. Maybe Alexander was helped a lot by the pass rush like you said I need to go back to the films

 

Edit : After watching some tapes Alexander is still my guy. His hips are fluid he's a very good man to man corner. Struggles to get out of blocks sometimes but he tries hard. Needs some coaching. Good tackler as well for a corner. He's got that attitude I like my CB to play with. As much as the pass rush helped him, he helped them as well.

 

I would go pass rusher with the 1st rounder and hope for Alexander with the 2nd pick. Trade back in the 1st would probaby be ideal.

Edited March 31, 2016 by KBoum

[Dewy101]

On March 30, 2016 at 1:45 AM, Gordo52 said:

What do y'all think of Calhoun in the 2nd? Love his potential as a pass rusher. 

If we don't take Buckner in the first, I'm taking Bullard all day in the second

[Underdogsontop!]

On March 30, 2016 at 10:45 PM, Gordo52 said:

What do y'all think of Calhoun in the 2nd? Love his potential as a pass rusher. 

I like him some, but I think he's a situational pass rusher at most. If he fell to the 3rd round I'd be more interested. 

Edited April 1, 2016 by Underdogsontop!

[Edgar]

Karl Joseph needs to be our target in round two. This guy is a difference maker...a game changing play making monster who offense must take into account. 

If we want a little of that healthy dose of fear felt by other receivers, this is our guy.

He will infect our entire defense and bring us back to our rightful place as the baddest bullies in the NFL.

I can't imagine a better fit. In round two. I can't imagine a more talented player being there.

[AnthonyGames]

Easy. Best CB available.

[ellicottraven]

6 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

Easy. Best CB available.

Best player available. I would love for BPA to be a CB though.

[Jacquouille]

I'm not sure Cravens with the 36th pick is a reach...

[TSports]

If either Coleman or Doctson is available i say we take one of them. If they both aren't there we should take a pass rusher or corner. Noah spence? Ogbah? Kendall fuller? Alexander? all great choice, to many to choose from.