Who would you pick at 36th in the 2nd round?

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

My favorite part of this argument, is that I have Wright as my 4th round pick. And I watch the games, tons of them. Wright was hurt or would be on more peoples radar. Not to compare him to Ray Lewis , but skeptics claimed he was not durable to make it 16 games in the NFL. 

Draft guru's are just people with opinions and band wagon jumpers. I just want the Ravens to draft pure football players, who gives a beep, on the stats,

You keep bringing up analysts and stats and I don't know why. This isn't based on popular opinion or analysts mocking him low, this is about me not wanting us to draft a LB who doesnt have the movement skills to succeed in the nfl. He's too slow and stiff for the NFL, motor and heart can only do so much for you, all his heart and determination won't help when he shoots a gap and misses the tackle by a mile because the ball carrier is already turning the corner, or when he takes a perfect but gets outrun any way because he's too slow, or he should have a tackle but can't make it because he has no reach at all and he whiffs in pursuit. This is based on tape, not analysts.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

When you can get the guy that many people consider the top WR of the class in round 2, seems like a no-brainer to me.

I just think he's overrated and I don't see how he could be considered the top guy. His measurables are nothing special, he doesn't even make an effort to run routes and he lacks fluidity and stop and go to ever become more than an average route runner, and his catching ability is overrated, he is far from guys like Jeffrey who seems to be the common comparison, Jeffrey is physical and can box out and catch the contested ball, Doctson has great body control but he has a fade away catching style and doesn't pursue the ball aggressively, he made a career out of laying out for overthrown balls and it looks nice on highlight reels but that kind of play doesn't succeed too often in the NFL if it's the only thing you can do.

 

That's not to say he isn't a 2nd round talent, I'm just saying I wouldnt prioritize him in the early 2nd, there are a lot of better prospects I believe. I just don't see much more than an inconsistent deep threat who will struggle against even average corners at the next level. Very boom or bust prospect.

[ravensnj]

4 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I also like Cyrus but perhaps spending an early second on him is a reach. Taking him with our third would make me sleep a happy man.

 

looking at all the guys you just mentioned. I'm prity damn sure you'll love Karl Joseph WV check him out and thank me later  

His highlights are incredible! 

[ravensnj]

On 3/23/2016 at 6:08 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kyler fackrell is missing. If you think that's a reach then watch his film.

REACH! OMG! 225-15 times! My sister can do that! He is a LB, doing wr bench presses. lol

[ravensnj]

I voted for  Mackenzie Alexander , but it's a pipe dream to believe he makes it out of the first round.

[443hurricane]

On 3/24/2016 at 0:12 PM, Wildabeast88 said:

Lots of variables a lot depends on our first pick but I feel pass rush is the biggest need and Spence would be my choice if he is there other than that William Jackson would be another top choice there

I think Will Jackson gets snatched up at the bottom on the first round.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

REACH! OMG! 225-15 times! My sister can do that! He is a LB, doing wr bench presses. lol

He also has incredibly long arms and the bench press at the combine is a show of durability, not functional strength, and having long arms leads to rapid exhaustion on the bench press. His tape shows that he clearly is no weakling. Let's just say he can bench press offensive linemen better than be benchpresses a barbell. 

 

Anymore silly arguments that highlight your lack of film study?

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

REACH! OMG! 225-15 times! My sister can do that! He is a LB, doing wr bench presses. lol

Sounds like you've got yourself a beast of a sister and she may want to try out for the NFL after "manning" up a bit.

[ravensnj]

25 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Sounds like you've got yourself a beast of a sister and she may want to try out for the NFL after "manning" up a bit.

She has longer arms than  Kyler fackrell too, lol

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He also has incredibly long arms and the bench press at the combine is a show of durability, not functional strength, and having long arms leads to rapid exhaustion on the bench press. His tape shows that he clearly is no weakling. Let's just say he can bench press offensive linemen better than be benchpresses a barbell. 

 

Anymore silly arguments that highlight your lack of film study?

Watch the Utah State vs New Mexico and the Arizona vs New Mexico highlights  ( Scooby -Fackrell). Watch Fackrell get beat and miss the arm tackle.  Study them.....mic drop!

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, ravensnj said:

Watch the Utah State vs New Mexico and the Arizona vs New Mexico highlights  ( Scooby -Fackrell). Watch Fackrell get beat and miss the arm tackle.  Study them.....mic drop!

Please..never pick that Mic back up. For the love of god. Do us all a favor.

[flynismo]

17 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I just think he's overrated and I don't see how he could be considered the top guy. His measurables are nothing special, he doesn't even make an effort to run routes and he lacks fluidity and stop and go to ever become more than an average route runner, and his catching ability is overrated, he is far from guys like Jeffrey who seems to be the common comparison, Jeffrey is physical and can box out and catch the contested ball, Doctson has great body control but he has a fade away catching style and doesn't pursue the ball aggressively, he made a career out of laying out for overthrown balls and it looks nice on highlight reels but that kind of play doesn't succeed too often in the NFL if it's the only thing you can do.

 

That's not to say he isn't a 2nd round talent, I'm just saying I wouldnt prioritize him in the early 2nd, there are a lot of better prospects I believe. I just don't see much more than an inconsistent deep threat who will struggle against even average corners at the next level. Very boom or bust prospect.

I always thought a good comparison for him was more along the lines of Keyshawn Johnson, or maybe Plaxico, not so much Alshon. That's neither here nor there though...I think his skills translate into a relatively safe transition to the NFL. He's going to be at worst a quality NFL player; with a pretty high ceiling. Will there be better prospects at #36? The only guy on that list I think is as good or better is Spence. And after re-thinking this, I think Spence should be the pick, mainly because of positional value. Getting a pass rushing LB (only way I see him fitting in here is at OLB) in the 2nd is a huge steal that we shouldn't pass on.

[evass#ravensnation]

Hargreaves at #6 pure cover corner with amazing footwork reminds me of Revis 

Spence at #36 great athlete with explosive first step .fills huge need as well Would be awesome to rotate him in with Suggs/doom

 

[Jacquouille]

I'm starting to believe Spence will be available at 36. I'm still believing Buckner will be our pick, and if we get those two, next season will be terrifying!

[52520Andrew]

18 hours ago, ravensnj said:

She has longer arms than  Kyler fackrell too, lol

She have a 40 time and what is her height and weight?

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, flynismo said:

I always thought a good comparison for him was more along the lines of Keyshawn Johnson, or maybe Plaxico, not so much Alshon. That's neither here nor there though...I think his skills translate into a relatively safe transition to the NFL. He's going to be at worst a quality NFL player; with a pretty high ceiling. Will there be better prospects at #36? The only guy on that list I think is as good or better is Spence. And after re-thinking this, I think Spence should be the pick, mainly because of positional value. Getting a pass rushing LB (only way I see him fitting in here is at OLB) in the 2nd is a huge steal that we shouldn't pass on.

Ehh I dont see safe, quite the opposite actually. Has no concept of route running whatsoever and doesn't even appear to be interested in the play until the ball is in the air. He is skinny as a rail and isn't physical but has a jumpball play style that he relies heavily on, he won't make a career in the NFL trying to win jumpball when he can't even plant his foot and aggressively snatch a contested catch. I see a lot of interceptions being thrown his way because he won't get away with that fade away nonsense in the NFL 

[flynismo]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ehh I dont see safe, quite the opposite actually. Has no concept of route running whatsoever and doesn't even appear to be interested in the play until the ball is in the air. He is skinny as a rail and isn't physical but has a jumpball play style that he relies heavily on, he won't make a career in the NFL trying to win jumpball when he can't even plant his foot and aggressively snatch a contested catch. I see a lot of interceptions being thrown his way because he won't get away with that fade away nonsense in the NFL 

People said a lot of those things about Keyshawn and Plaxico too. lol. No he isn't a complete player. But that isn't going to stop him from being a very good player.

You keep saying he can't make a contested catch or box people out, but scouting reports like http://nfldraftgeek.com/joshdoctson-nfldraftscoutingreport.html are very common, and say the complete opposite. "Consistently wins 50/50 balls" and "Boxes out and seals defenders like a power forward" are recurring themes when I look over what scouting reports say about him.

That's exactly the type of WR we have been clamoring for for years now. A guy with a huge catch radius and can make those contested catches.

Edited March 27, 2016 by flynismo

[flynismo]

9 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm starting to believe Spence will be available at 36. I'm still believing Buckner will be our pick, and if we get those two, next season will be terrifying!

I'm not expecting him to be there at #36, but if he is, he'd be one helluva pick at that spot.

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, flynismo said:

People said a lot of those things about Keyshawn and Plaxico too. lol. No he isn't a complete player. But that isn't going to stop him from being a very good player.

You keep saying he can't make a contested catch or box people out, but scouting reports like http://nfldraftgeek.com/joshdoctson-nfldraftscoutingreport.html are very common, and say the complete opposite. "Consistently wins 50/50 balls" and "Boxes out and seals defenders like a power forward" are recurring themes when I look over what scouting reports say about him.

That's exactly the type of WR we have been clamoring for for years now. A guy with a huge catch radius and can make those contested catches.

The film disagrees with the boxing out part though. He catches contested balls but it appears to be that he doesn't get separation and the ball is overthrown for him to lay out for it, he's catching balls while tightly covered but not the same way you're referring to. If you can show me examples of him boxing out defenders and aggressively beating dbs for the catch then I would gladly change my opinion, but in the film I've watched I haven't seen much of it

[Bandwagon]

 

I think the Ravens are very interested in William Jackson 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, Bandwagon said:

 

I think the Ravens are very interested in William Jackson 

William Jackson coming out is quite comparable to Patrick Peterson. Big boy, supreme athlete, ball skills, physical, lengthy. Obviously he's not on that level but the base is there for a comparison, level of competition and rawness in coverage being the big difference here, but if we trade back I'm willing to bet he's one of our top guys.

[Maryland]

6 hours ago, Bandwagon said:

 

I think the Ravens are very interested in William Jackson 

I don't get it  

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

I don't get it  

Think he was implying how bored they look...or unimpressed

[Jacquouille]

I'm willing to bet either Alexander or Spence (or both) will be there at 36. I can't wait to see who we take with our second pick 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I'm willing to bet either Alexander or Spence (or both) will be there at 36. I can't wait to see who we take with our second pick 

I cant see Alexander lasting till the second with the lack of DB talent

[GrimCoconut]

17 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I cant see Alexander lasting till the second with the lack of DB talent

It's very possible. May not happen, but it can. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

It's very possible. May not happen, but it can. 

Yea, I guess anything is possible. 

[GrimCoconut]

24 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, I guess anything is possible. 

I don't think anything is. Ramsey probably doesn't make it to us and I doubt Tunsil does to a lesser extent. 

[Jacquouille]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I cant see Alexander lasting till the second with the lack of DB talent

I think, on most boards, Hargreaves, WJ3 and Eli Apple, possibly Fuller (depending on what the team looks for) are now above him, and he didn't really boost his stock at the combine. I'm also saying this because I've seen it happen a couple times recently on mocks

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I think, on most boards, Hargreaves, WJ3 and Eli Apple, possibly Fuller (depending on what the team looks for) are now above him, and he didn't really boost his stock at the combine. I'm also saying this because I've seen it happen a couple times recently on mocks

I'm glad to see Apple rising. I think he's got bust written all over him and I wanna see him push Alexander to us