Who would you pick at 36th in the 2nd round?

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, ravensdan said:

Dream draft:

round 1:. Joey bosa

round 2:. Darron Lee

round 3:. Adolphus Washington

No Ohio State bias here at all. 

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What about vonn bell? Or Taylor Decker? Or braxton Miller?

Yeah I was trying to figure out a way to get Thomas and apple but these three are my favorite. 

[Jaybirds]

11 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Wouldn't it be really nice to trade back with the Rams and make it 4 1st round picks by getting their 2 second rounders??

Neither of their second round picks should land us a guy with a first-round grade.  They're both too far back, unless something miraculous happens.  Maybe we want an extra second pick anyway (we won't get both).  But 4 first round guys just isn't going to happen.  

Edited March 25, 2016 by Jaybirds

[TurkishRaven]

I did not watch a single college game last year and first time in my life watched all the Ravens games in a season. So don't count on me.

After watching the highlights, I think Kendall fuller is a better pick than Alexander. 

Alexander will be getting a lot of flags with that coverage in NFL. He is not turning his head and using his hands too much. 

Fuller is the opposite, he is a playmaker and keeps attacking the ball not the player.

 

Edited March 25, 2016 by TurkishRaven

[ravensnj]

2- Cyrus jones 3-Sterling Sheppard 4- Scooby Wright

[Tru11]

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[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

2- Cyrus jones 3-Sterling Sheppard 4- Scooby Wright

Why would you want Cyrus Jones early in the 2nd?

[Wildabeast88]

20 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

No Ohio State bias here at all. 

Me either I like it a lot. Bosa and Washington with the rest of our front 7 would be scary.

[Wildabeast88]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why would you want Cyrus Jones early in the 2nd?

Yeah way early mostly seen 4th round grades for him and not totally sold on Scooby his athleticism at the pro level could be concerning 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Yeah way early mostly seen 4th round grades for him and not totally sold on Scooby his athleticism at the pro level could be concerning 

I like Cyrus as a returner and a 5th cb at best. Although I think he nails that role very well and holds value, but that's obviously not a 35th overall value. 

 

Some folks like Scooby, at least it's not a consensus reach in the 4th, personally think he is an utter failure in the nfl but some like him. 

 

Seems like he took familiar names and said "draft thesguys" lol

[ALPHA]

Does anyone see Spence, Jackson and/or Alexander dropping into the 2nd? I would be surprised if any of them fall especially Spence.

[ravensnj]

4 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Yeah way early mostly seen 4th round grades for him and not totally sold on Scooby his athleticism at the pro level could be concerning 

 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like Cyrus as a returner and a 5th cb at best. Although I think he nails that role very well and holds value, but that's obviously not a 35th overall value. 

 

Some folks like Scooby, at least it's not a consensus reach in the 4th, personally think he is an utter failure in the nfl but some like him. 

 

Seems like he took familiar names and said "draft thesguys" lol

I don't follow the anal-ist predictions. I like the player. I see Scooby Wright as a tackling machine with heart and desire to win, something like a young Zach Thomas, Sheppard is great for the slot and Jones is tough. I wanted players such as Stephon Diggs  last year and Tyrann Mathieu in 2013 and was put in the red then too.

[ravensnj]

4 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Yeah way early mostly seen 4th round grades for him and not totally sold on Scooby his athleticism at the pro level could be concerning 

Compare Wright to "tackle the guy halfway down the field" Ragland, lol

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

 

I don't follow the anal-ist predictions. I like the player. I see Scooby Wright as a tackling machine with heart and desire to win, something like a young Zach Thomas, Sheppard is great for the slot and Jones is tough. I wanted players such as Stephon Diggs  last year and Tyrann Mathieu in 2013 and was put in the red then too.

Tyrann Mathieu and stefon diggs were first round talents. One had injury concerns and the other had failed multiple drug tests

 

Jones is just far from a 2nd round talent. Not because analysts underrate him, but because he isn't that good. Frank walker was tough as nails but also the worst corner in ravens history. Scooby is like Zach Thomas in the sense that he's a white and compact ILB and that's about it, Thomas was fluid and moved well, Scooby is misclebound and can barely change directions, certainly doesn't have NFL caliber pursuit and never will due to physical limitations. 

 

The tape tells you they aren't 2nd and 4th round talents, respectively.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Compare Wright to "tackle the guy halfway down the field" Ragland, lol

Compare raglands open field pursuit to scoobys. Compare his instincts in coverage. Compare everything except for the occasional gap plug which is all Scooby does

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Compare Wright to "tackle the guy halfway down the field" Ragland, lol

And you wonder why you're not taken seriously...

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

 

I don't follow the anal-ist predictions. I like the player. I see Scooby Wright as a tackling machine with heart and desire to win, something like a young Zach Thomas, Sheppard is great for the slot and Jones is tough. I wanted players such as Stephon Diggs  last year and Tyrann Mathieu in 2013 and was put in the red then too.

I love the Shepard pick and I like Jones just not in the 2nd I like where your thoughts are I like Shepard in the 3rd but Jones in the 4th I just see the value differently I would be happy  if we got both. I like Scooby's heart but Zack Thomas played when teams ran more than they passed with all the spread formations and all the coverings RBs and TEs I just don't see him as a good option. Daryl Smith struggled and even 12 years in I think is a better athlete and he had trouble covering RBs and TEs 

Edited March 26, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tyrann Mathieu and stefon diggs were first round talents. One had injury concerns and the other had failed multiple drug tests

 

Jones is just far from a 2nd round talent. Not because analysts underrate him, but because he isn't that good. Frank walker was tough as nails but also the worst corner in ravens history. Scooby is like Zach Thomas in the sense that he's a white and compact ILB and that's about it, Thomas was fluid and moved well, Scooby is misclebound and can barely change directions, certainly doesn't have NFL caliber pursuit and never will due to physical limitations. 

 

The tape tells you they aren't 2nd and 4th round talents, respectively.

 

Jones will be a beast covering the slot. Something every team is looking for nowadays, hence the higher pick. Sheppard is an incredible talent. He will be our Randle Cobb/Marvin Jones. You say Wright can barely change directions? LOL!!!! He has  great coverage skills and more tackles, sacks, and tackles for loss then Ragland. If he played with Alabama, he would be in first round talks. Ragland is a lump on the log, like one trick pony Upshaw.  Ragland is horrid in coverage too.

[RaineV1]

4 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Does anyone see Spence, Jackson and/or Alexander dropping into the 2nd? I would be surprised if any of them fall especially Spence.

I think Jackson could be there in the 2nd, but not Alexander. For Spence, he could go anywhere from the late first to the third round, depending on how teams actually feel about his character.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Jones will be a beast covering the slot. Something every team is looking for nowadays, hence the higher pick. Sheppard is an incredible talent. He will be our Randle Cobb/Marvin Jones. You say Wright can barely change directions? LOL!!!! He has  great coverage skills and more tackles, sacks, and tackles for loss then Ragland. If he played with Alabama, he would be in first round talks. Ragland is a lump on the log, like one trick pony Upshaw.  Ragland is horrid in coverage too.

You haven't watched much tape obviously. Scooby WAS in first round talks a year ago. But tackles are a misleading stat and high tackle count doesn't equal NFL talent. You are looking at stat lines and that's it. And for the record, I like Jones but he is far from a 2nd rounder. He was far too often a liability in coverage all throughout college. And I never said anything about Shepard, I think he's good. I also want nothing to do with ragland so I don't even know where thats coming from. 

 

You are wrong about Scooby wright, he is built like a bowling ball and can barely move. He's too stiff and slow and unathletic to be a full time nfl defender and the tape clearly shows it which is why he fell from 1st and 2nd round speculation to 6th/7th round speculation.

[Maryland]

Though I think Scoob is not athletic or durable enough to make it in the NFL, he could actually be pretty decent in Pees' system, which blitzes his ILBs more than most other defenses. 

[Inqui]

I voted for Alexander, but of the names listed you can't go wrong with Coleman, Doctson (who's somehow getting fewer votes than Boyd....) or Whitehair.

I'll also echo whoever brought up Vernon Butler (@RaineV1?). He's hard to get a read on because of the crappy conference he played in (it's like trying to gauge whether an AFC South player could hack it in the NFL), but personally I love him as a prospect and I don't think he'd be a reach between 15 and 20 in the first round. And he could well fall into the second because he gets lost in the squeeze and because DTs tend to drop. I can see us taking a DT at some point in the first three rounds for those reasons alone.

But with all that said, I'm not too worried about who we take as long as it's someone with genuine first-round value. If you bring up a player's name and get shot down by cries of "he won't be there", that's generally not a bad sign because SOMEONE has to be there and I hope that whoever that someone is, we're there to stop their fall with open arms.

[RaineV1]

@Inqui Yeah, that was me. Butler is probably a bit raw but there's very few linemen with a higher ceiling than him. If he's there in the 2nd, he'll be among the top three BPA.

[law215]

This draft is not deep enough in pass rushers to expect a pass rusher to be there in round three. One name not in the list is Shilique Calhoun. If the Ravens do not get a outside pass rusher in round one, I expect them to get Spence or Calhoun in the second.

[Mad Puppy]

On 3/23/2016 at 6:21 PM, RaineV1 said:

I'm going with Artie Burn. The Ravens could really use a great athlete like him at DB, and he could really develop into a playmaker.

Been seeing a lot of press on him. Has physical skills but is entering before he is ready due to having to take care of his younger siblings (Mother passed away suddenly and father is in Jail)....I'm not sure he is a early 2nd rounder from what I've read. Apparently his tape isn't as good as his athleticism, and is a dual sport athlete (track) who has limited experience. 

Sounds like a good person who is trying to do the right thing.

He has projections from 2-4th round though (seems a large range to me):

• Walter football has him as 2-3rd rounder, #8 CB
• NFL.com is kinda down on him from the write up, but still have him in the 2nd round #7 CB
• CBS has him rated as day 2 CB with lots of potential

[ravensnj]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You haven't watched much tape obviously. Scooby WAS in first round talks a year ago. But tackles are a misleading stat and high tackle count doesn't equal NFL talent. You are looking at stat lines and that's it. And for the record, I like Jones but he is far from a 2nd rounder. He was far too often a liability in coverage all throughout college. And I never said anything about Shepard, I think he's good. I also want nothing to do with ragland so I don't even know where thats coming from. 

 

You are wrong about Scooby wright, he is built like a bowling ball and can barely move. He's too stiff and slow and unathletic to be a full time nfl defender and the tape clearly shows it which is why he fell from 1st and 2nd round speculation to 6th/7th round speculation.

My favorite part of this argument, is that I have Wright as my 4th round pick. And I watch the games, tons of them. Wright was hurt or would be on more peoples radar. Not to compare him to Ray Lewis , but skeptics claimed he was not durable to make it 16 games in the NFL. 

Draft guru's are just people with opinions and band wagon jumpers. I just want the Ravens to draft pure football players, who gives a beep, on the stats,

[ravensnj]

16 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Does anyone see Spence, Jackson and/or Alexander dropping into the 2nd? I would be surprised if any of them fall especially Spence.

Spence will be taken way before he should. He as a football player is always that 1 step away from making a huge play. Kicked out of Big Ten for drug abuse. Not a Raven.

[Halshayeji]

On March 25, 2016 at 6:14 PM, TurkishRaven said:

I did not watch a single college game last year and first time in my life watched all the Ravens games in a season. So don't count on me.

After watching the highlights, I think Kendall fuller is a better pick than Alexander. 

Alexander will be getting a lot of flags with that coverage in NFL. He is not turning his head and using his hands too much. 

Fuller is the opposite, he is a playmaker and keeps attacking the ball not the player.

 

Nice intro Turkish. Welcome to the family! In a year or two you'll go nuts get game pass and watch every game twice lol

[Halshayeji]

15 hours ago, ravensnj said:

 

I don't follow the anal-ist predictions. I like the player. I see Scooby Wright as a tackling machine with heart and desire to win, something like a young Zach Thomas, Sheppard is great for the slot and Jones is tough. I wanted players such as Stephon Diggs  last year and Tyrann Mathieu in 2013 and was put in the red then too.

I also like Cyrus but perhaps spending an early second on him is a reach. Taking him with our third would make me sleep a happy man.

 

looking at all the guys you just mentioned. I'm prity damn sure you'll love Karl Joseph WV check him out and thank me later  

[flynismo]

On 3/24/2016 at 8:26 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Why is that obvious? Doctson really isn't anything to rave about lol. Especially not over a lot of guys on this list

When you can get the guy that many people consider the top WR of the class in round 2, seems like a no-brainer to me.