SammyG

Trade back seems the most responsible.

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If the Eagles want to trade up from 8 and are willing to provide commensurate compensation then I'd do it as long as no elite prospect is there. 

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6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Move back from 6 to 8 for a 3rd? who is left on the board at that time.  We could realistically end up with who were going to draft at 6 if the Eagles take a QB and the 49ers could take Elliot

At 8, the best options would probably be VH3, Lawson, or whoever we wanted a 6 depending on who the 49ers take. I'd try to also get a 3rd from the Eagles next year too, if possible. The best part is that having two 3rds this year could let us trade back up into the 2nd round to get someone that won't fall to our pick. Maybe a good DE that's still left on the board, or Shepard.

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Right now the trade back option is one that could be really lucrative, in the scenario where no QB is taken in the top 5 picks you can practically guarantee that QB needy teams will try and move in front of the Niners for first choice of Wentz or Goff. The Broncos have 10 picks and a specific window but as much as I would love to see Elway pony up for Wentz if we trade with the Rams we get (presumably) Spence and a shiny new 2nd rounder.

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If Tunsil, Bosa, Jack, and Ramsey are gone, and a trade back presents itself where we only move back a few spots then I am all in, especially if we get a second or third rounder. Best prospects that might still be there at 8 or 10 are Hargreaves and Lawson. Everyone has a player they think will surprise and be a stud at the next level, and mine is Lawson. He is the guy I hope we somehow land, he is as tough as nails, incredibly smart and instinctive, high character, high motor and never gives up on a play, plus his arsenal of pass rush moves are impressive. Scouts love him, but still he isn't getting love as a top 10 talent.

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For me I will be happy with anyone we get and will be very supportive, but my own opinion is Tunsil, VH3, Shaq Lawson, or Jack. Everyone else I'm unsure about. VH3 and Lawson can probably be had in a trade back. 

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On April 11, 2016 at 11:14 PM, RavensDieHard21 said:

If Tunsil, Bosa, Jack, and Ramsey are gone, and a trade back presents itself where we only move back a few spots then I am all in, especially if we get a second or third rounder. Best prospects that might still be there at 8 or 10 are Hargreaves and Lawson. Everyone has a player they think will surprise and be a stud at the next level, and mine is Lawson. He is the guy I hope we somehow land, he is as tough as nails, incredibly smart and instinctive, high character, high motor and never gives up on a play, plus his arsenal of pass rush moves are impressive. Scouts love him, but still he isn't getting love as a top 10 talent.

If we miss out on Bosa I'm all in on Lawson. He could be a great fit. I'd be very cautious with a trade back because if there is one player if bet gets drafted higher than projection it's him. 

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On March 29, 2016 at 9:23 AM, GrimCoconut said:

If the Eagles want to trade up from 8 and are willing to provide commensurate compensation then I'd do it as long as no elite prospect is there. 

I firmly believe the Eagles want Wentz. If he gets past Cleveland we should get the best deal possible from the Eagles. I don't think Cleveland wants to take a QB. I have a feeling the Eagles go 1.8 and Cox for 1.2. 

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With rumors that the Titans really want to trade back up into the top 10, and rumors that the Ravens really want to trade down, I can't help but feel like this is going to happen for both teams. Titans have picks to overpay, and of course DeCosta and Oz are "draft pick [profanity deleted]s" as I think Steve once said in the draft room lol.

Kind of depressing to think about, since I really wanted one of those elite talents, but we can address more of our roster holes with those extra picks. 

Plus, you never know who might fall on draft day. Maybe VH3 really did fail a drug test and he falls a bit--I've already seen him in the teens in some mock drafts, although this seems absurd to me. 

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28 minutes ago, Maryland said:

With rumors that the Titans really want to trade back up into the top 10, and rumors that the Ravens really want to trade down, I can't help but feel like this is going to happen for both teams. Titans have picks to overpay, and of course DeCosta and Oz are "draft pick [profanity deleted]s" as I think Steve once said in the draft room lol.

Kind of depressing to think about, since I really wanted one of those elite talents, but we can address more of our roster holes with those extra picks. 

Plus, you never know who might fall on draft day. Maybe VH3 really did fail a drug test and he falls a bit--I've already seen him in the teens in some mock drafts, although this seems absurd to me. 

Trading back from 1 and up to 6 by overpaying would not make much sense though.

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2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Trading back from 1 and up to 6 by overpaying would not make much sense though.

They received a bounty of picks to move out though. They could trade just the Rams' 2nd round picks and probably make the trade with the Ravens, still leaving them with extra 1sts and 3rds from the Rams.

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The Rams pick no1 was worth 3000pts they gained approx 2100pts worth of picks this year, where they gain is with the Rams 1st & 3rd next draft. 

Should the Rams tank and end with the no1 pick would be 3270pts meaning a gain of 2370pts.

Finish in same spot 15th would be 1260 gaining 1160pts on the deal.

Win the superbowl 700pts up around 600pts .... ok getting silly now :)

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Maryland said:

They received a bounty of picks to move out though. They could trade just the Rams' 2nd round picks and probably make the trade with the Ravens, still leaving them with extra 1sts and 3rds from the Rams.

I get that but in my mind jumping from 10th to 6th while giving two 2nd rounders as well is still overpaying.

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4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I get that but in my mind jumping from 10th to 6th while giving two 2nd rounders as well is still overpaying.

From 15 to 6 ... but i agree would be overpaying

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9 minutes ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

From 15 to 6 ... but i agree would be overpaying

Yep, 15th. Not that I would complain, though. Would take that deal any day.

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More realistic would be our 1st 2nd for their 1st 2nd (33) 2nd (43) and the Rams 3rd next year.

That said if they were going to take Tunsil at no1 and slipped to us at 6 they may be willing to include both 2nds in trade.  They would have saved cap space (cheaper drafting at 6) gained a 3rd this year with Rams 1st 3rd next and still got the same guy.  I would even give them our low 4th for the Rams 3rd next year.

 

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If one or two of Tunsil, Jack, Buckner or Bosa are available when it's time to pick, I assure you that it'll take a lot for a team to trade with the Ravens. It will most surely take a 1st round pick next year with a few more this year for us to do that. Otherwise it simply doesn't make sense to trade back period.

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2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I get that but in my mind jumping from 10th to 6th while giving two 2nd rounders as well is still overpaying.

It's not much of an overpay looking at the nfl draft trade value chart (which isn't all that accurate anyway). Maybe we could give back a 6th or something to mitigate the difference, or take their early 3rd instead of a second 2nd.

I actually asked Charlie Campbell this question a couple weeks ago and he said it would be a pretty fair trade for both sides, although that was in reference to the Rams trading up to 6 for a QB, but now the Titans own both of those picks lol

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On April 13, 2016 at 9:01 PM, ravensdan said:

If we miss out on Bosa I'm all in on Lawson. He could be a great fit. I'd be very cautious with a trade back because if there is one player if bet gets drafted higher than projection it's him. 

That is why I said I wouldn't wanna fall past 10, that is unless it is to 15 and we get a second and a third for it. Too many terrible defensive teams after us, such as Tampa, NYG, Saints, Dolphins, etc, which means that they would pluck Lawson, Dodd, Hargreaves, Floyd most likely. 

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4 hours ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

More realistic would be our 1st 2nd for their 1st 2nd (33) 2nd (43) and the Rams 3rd next year.

That said if they were going to take Tunsil at no1 and slipped to us at 6 they may be willing to include both 2nds in trade.  They would have saved cap space (cheaper drafting at 6) gained a 3rd this year with Rams 1st 3rd next and still got the same guy.  I would even give them our low 4th for the Rams 3rd next year.

 

Ehhh, the best word in this whole deal is realistic. I would not under any circumstance jump back 9 slots in the first and miss on blue chip college players to acquire one more second rounder, especially the 43rd pick, even with an extra thrown in. 

I mean Tunsil, Jack, Bosa, Buckner, Lawson, Hargreaves, Dodd, Stanley, Elliot, and maybe even Treadwell are gone at this point. 

We would then have a crop of picks of Spence, Floyd--perhaps going to Oakland, WJIII, Conklin, Rankins, and that would perhaps be about it for worthy selections left. 

Round 2 would essentially move us up three slots to get ? And we get one last stab at maybe Spriggs, Cravens, Fuller, Shepard, Alexander, etc. we have quantity, I am not sure if passing on potential all pros is worth one extra valuable starter.

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