Edgar Mock Draft

[Edgar]

 

ROUND ONE- VERNON HARGREAVES CB,FLORIDA- went back and forth between Buckner and Vernon.I'vgrown a bit tired of watching teams throw on us,particularly when it matters most. I've gotten tired of our db's failing to create turnovers and finishing behind linebackers and Ngata in interceptions. I'm tired of Andy Dalton owning us late in games and running what appears to be a seven on seven.

Hargreaves is physical in run support,super smart and super instinctive. 

ROUND TWO- DARIAN THOMPSON-SAFETY, BOISE STATE.-  the thought of this guy in tandem with Weddle is exciting. Film junkie,play maker,team leader,physical. Feels like a Raven. And while I can see eyes rolling on this one, it to me would be a case of best player available(don't see Spence making it). Projects as a strong safety. Like Hargreaves is instinctive and he has the best ball skills of any safety in this class. The only thing about him that gives me pause is how I fear we might use him. Please get this guy on the field and let him learn. Don't wait for everything to be perfect,make him have to prove himself on team's first,blah,blah. Trust the film on this guy. I think he's a pro bowl SS.

ROUND THREE-  WILLIE BEAVERS OL, WESTERN MICHIGAN- so close to taking CHARONE PEAKE here. It hurts a little because I think PEAKE is going to be star with the right team..hoping someone drafts him before Pittsburgh. 

I decided instead to invest in Beavers. I'm thinking this guy is it for us. A left tackle,I mean. My sense is that he could  start initially at the guard position and wait for the inevitable(Monroe being injured).  This pick is more than just prudent. It really hits on a lot of levels. His immediate versatility will be attractive to the Ravens who will coach him up.

ROUND FOUR-  JOE SCHOBERT LB,WISCONSIN-  have you seen this guys tape? I must admit I hadn't until recently but man is he impressive. Great football player,period but he makes plays that leave you laughing and shaking your head. Super smart, assignment sound in coverage and against the run. Good tackler. Appears very comfortable,almost easy,if you will,doing whatever is asked of him.. I would consider trading up for this guy because frankly,I'm not sure he is still around. 

His big knock is probably his size and some suggest a move inside. Watch this guy if you haven't already.

ROUND FOUR (from Denver)- HARLAN MILLER CB, SOUTHEAST LOUISANA-  obviously a small school corner and I'm not sure if he goes earlier but there is a lot to like about him. Very competitive,fiery, good on teams.

ROUND FOUR-(compensatory)-JAKEEM GRANT,WR, TEXAS TECH- just discovered this guy. Sometimes "for fun" I'll look at new videos on draft breakdown featuring a player I've not heard of,not knowing what position he plays. Grant is a must watch. Could be a slot receiver with huge...HUGE deep threat possibilities. Crazy speed.competitive and exceptional wiggle. 

From here I'll just list some guys I like. Not sure how they fall and frankly haven't spent as much time on them

C/G- Graham Glascgow-(might be Scottish something tells me)

DT- Hasaan Ridgeway

C- Austin Blythe,Iowa- a late round favorite

ILB-Nick Kwiatoski-West Virginia, especially good in coverage

OT- Joe Haeg- North Dakota State

WR-Kayarris Garret

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2016 by Edgar

[KBoum]

Good job. I feel if we go with VH3 at 6, the Ravens might adress pass rush in round 2 if one of the round 1 graded player slip in early 2. I'm more on the Ngakoue bandwagon I don't know Schobert really well.

I really like Harlan Miller he did very well in the Senior Bowl.

[JoeyFlex5]

I used to love Thompson and had a first round grade on him, he's a smart player and a film junkie, but he's a strange safety.. He's big and very slow for NFL standards but played like a ballhawk in college. He looked slow on film but I disregarded it as he never really had to travel long distances often because he was always in the right spot, however his movement looked real ugly at the combine, he's slow and lacks fluidity. I think he's a old school SS at best who can cover TEs and really nothing more. I see him as a 3rd rounder after his combine confirmed all concerns regarding him. Otherwise I like it, especially round 1, 3 and schobert is my favorite mid rounder and I think He should be a 2nd rounder and I think hes a guy who scouts will like more than the media and very Well could go in the late 2nd, we see these kinds of things all the time

Edited March 18, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Jacquouille]

42 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I used to love Thompson and had a first round grade on him, he's a smart player and a film junkie, but he's a strange safety.. He's big and very slow for NFL standards but played like a ballhawk in college. He looked slow on film but I disregarded it as he never really had to travel long distances often because he was always in the right spot, however his movement looked real ugly at the combine, he's slow and lacks fluidity. I think he's a old school SS at best who can cover TEs and really nothing more. I see him as a 3rd rounder after his combine confirmed all concerns regarding him. Otherwise I like it, especially round 1, 3 and schobert is my favorite mid rounder and I think He should be a 2nd rounder and I think hes a guy who scouts will like more than the media and very Well could go in the late 2nd, we see these kinds of things all the time

That's how I think he would be used, since we have Weddle at FS. Honestly if we're going SS I'd prefer Vonn Bell or Cash in the 3rd, might even try Karl Joseph. All those guys are better fits at SS and cheaper than a 2nd round.

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I used to love Thompson and had a first round grade on him, he's a smart player and a film junkie, but he's a strange safety.. He's big and very slow for NFL standards but played like a ballhawk in college. He looked slow on film but I disregarded it as he never really had to travel long distances often because he was always in the right spot, however his movement looked real ugly at the combine, he's slow and lacks fluidity. I think he's a old school SS at best who can cover TEs and really nothing more. I see him as a 3rd rounder after his combine confirmed all concerns regarding him. Otherwise I like it, especially round 1, 3 and schobert is my favorite mid rounder and I think He should be a 2nd rounder and I think hes a guy who scouts will like more than the media and very Well could go in the late 2nd, we see these kinds of things all the time

I'm not sure you're altogether wrong. His combine was a bit alarming but I am going to lean on what I see on tape. I think you would be hard pressed to find say,twenty eight better football players in this draft.

 

[Edgar]

40 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

That's how I think he would be used, since we have Weddle at FS. Honestly if we're going SS I'd prefer Vonn Bell or Cash in the 3rd, might even try Karl Joseph. All those guys are better fits at SS and cheaper than a 2nd round.

I thought about those guys in the third as an alternative to Thompson. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Vonn bell in the 3rd if he's there should be a no brainer. He's one of the smarter safeties in this draft and he's less limited than Thompson physically. He strikes me as a smarter Terrence brooks

[ravefan52]

I definitely like Schobert, but I think we take a some kind of pass rusher earlier than the 4th. Hargreaves is still a nice option if the big 5 (Bosa, Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack and Defo) are gone.

[Edgar]

Check out JAKEEM GRANT( 4th round edit). A must see.

[Somerset Ravens]

Grant is a burner who would be a good return specialist. His receiving numbers at Texas Tech were strong but he is only 168 lbs. Fourth round seems too early for him, I see him more as a free agent signing.

[Wildabeast88]

I like Thompson but I feel 2nd round for a safety is to high considering the money we have in Webb and Weddle and we still have Brooks Elam who we need to see about especially Elam in the last year of his rookie contract as well as Lewis it's still a bit crowded to add a 2nd rounder. Also I think we need at least 2 edge rushers Suggs age and injury, Dumervil age and needs a strong rusher on the opposite side him, and Z. Smith is still young and we still need to see more. VH3 not my favorite but I like Beavers and Schobert 

[evass#ravensnation]

Dream Draft for me would be .

1st. Myles Jack 

2nd. If he's there or trade up Noah Spence 

3rd. Karl Joseph / Von Bell 

[GrimCoconut]

No problem with taking Hargreaves. I'm not a fan of Thompson, especially as a second round pick. I like Beavers but I think third is a tad high for him and I like him better in the fourth. Schobert is a bit underwhelming tbh. I think the draft it's okay but I think we'll do better. I feel like this is a worst case draft for us. Like, we're having an unlucky draft kind of draft. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

No problem with taking Hargreaves. I'm not a fan of Thompson, especially as a second round pick. I like Beavers but I think third is a tad high for him and I like him better in the fourth. Schobert is a bit underwhelming tbh. I think the draft it's okay but I think we'll do better. I feel like this is a worst case draft for us. Like, we're having an unlucky draft kind of draft. 

Just wondering what it is about schobert you don't like? I personally dont look at him as an edge rusher and more of a all around LB. I think if you're looking for a pure edge rusher then he will be underwhelming, but I see him more as just a football player in general, he is solid at a lot of different things and just seems to have a head for football.

[GrimCoconut]

26 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Just wondering what it is about schobert you don't like? I personally dont look at him as an edge rusher and more of a all around LB. I think if you're looking for a pure edge rusher then he will be underwhelming, but I see him more as just a football player in general, he is solid at a lot of different things and just seems to have a head for football.

To be frank, we absolutely need an edge rusher and that's my issue with taking Schobert in this scenario. Schobert is more like an ILB. While we need one of those who can cover, I like other guys better like Fackrell. I feel like if that position (edge) isn't addressed, we will be in some serious trouble. Look at this draft and tell me you are confident in our pass rushers going forward. If you say you are, I'll sell you some nice swamp land real estate in Florida. Sometimes you absolutely must go for need, and our situation at pass rusher requires it. Perhaps if he didn't take Thompson and took a pass rusher my opinion would be different, but as it is, I don't like this mock. I'd rather roll with Monroe at LT & not address LT than to not add another pass rusher early.

Edited March 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[rmw10]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Just wondering what it is about schobert you don't like? I personally dont look at him as an edge rusher and more of a all around LB. I think if you're looking for a pure edge rusher then he will be underwhelming, but I see him more as just a football player in general, he is solid at a lot of different things and just seems to have a head for football.

Schubert reminds me of McClellan in a lot of ways.  Versatile enough to play on the inside or outside depending on need, but not a guy that will be a star or anything.  I think he's a better version of McClellan and would provide a lot of value, in that sense.  As Grim and you said though, I don't see him as a pure edge rusher.

Edited March 19, 2016 by rmw10

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

To be frank, we absolutely need an edge rusher and that's my issue with taking Schobert in this scenario. Schobert is more like an ILB. While we need one of those who can cover, I like other guys better like Fackrell. I feel like if that position (edge) isn't addressed, we will be in some serious trouble. Look at this draft and tell me you are confident in our pass rushers going forward. If you say you are, I'll sell you some nice swamp land real estate in Florida. Sometimes you absolutely must go for need, and our situation at pass rusher requires it. Perhaps if he didn't take Thompson and took a pass rusher my opinion would be different, but as it is, I don't like this mock. I'd rather roll with Monroe at LT & not address LT than to not add another pass rusher early.

I agree. I dont think you'll find much immediate needs being met past the 2nd round though, sometimes you luck out but not always. I used to like Thompson but now I think he's a reach there. So yeah I think that 2nd rounder was a wasted pick when you have guys like fackrell and Calhoun likely available. 

 

I still like schobert though. I think he's an OLB for us but just not a pure edge rusher. a guy who does the dirty work, he isn't gonna defend the run like Upshaw but he can cover much better and probably rush better as well. He's a more modern OLB than a guy like Upshaw who will have a similar role, not the flashiest numbers but provides an important service.

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

To be frank, we absolutely need an edge rusher and that's my issue with taking Schobert in this scenario. Schobert is more like an ILB. While we need one of those who can cover, I like other guys better like Fackrell. I feel like if that position (edge) isn't addressed, we will be in some serious trouble. Look at this draft and tell me you are confident in our pass rushers going forward. If you say you are, I'll sell you some nice swamp land real estate in Florida. Sometimes you absolutely must go for need, and our situation at pass rusher requires it. Perhaps if he didn't take Thompson and took a pass rusher my opinion would be different, but as it is, I don't like this mock. I'd rather roll with Monroe at LT & not address LT than to not add another pass rusher early.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. It was the biggest problem last year and remains so. The secondary need is quite overblown. It's the front 4 that needs help badly. A serviceable backup tackle can be easily signed to back up Monroe. There are good guards that can be found throughout the draft to reinforce the Oline. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I agree. I dont think you'll find much immediate needs being met past the 2nd round though, sometimes you luck out but not always. I used to like Thompson but now I think he's a reach there. So yeah I think that 2nd rounder was a wasted pick when you have guys like fackrell and Calhoun likely available. 

 

I still like schobert though. I think he's an OLB for us but just not a pure edge rusher. a guy who does the dirty work, he isn't gonna defend the run like Upshaw but he can cover much better and probably rush better as well. He's a more modern OLB than a guy like Upshaw who will have a similar role, not the flashiest numbers but provides an important service.

I like Schobert but I don't like him as an OLB in the 3-4. I think he would be a better WILL LB and replace Daryl Smith. I just don't like him as an OLB. He's got pass rush ability but I just don't feel him as an OLB here. I see him as an ILB. 

[JoeyFlex5]

50 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Schobert but I don't like him as an OLB in the 3-4. I think he would be a better WILL LB and replace Daryl Smith. I just don't like him as an OLB. He's got pass rush ability but I just don't feel him as an OLB here. I see him as an ILB. 

Different strokes lol. Some saw jaylon Smith as a ilb in a 34 but thought he would better off packing on 10 lbs and playing OLB because he can rush and works best in space. It all depends on how you perceive the skill set. I look at a guy like suggs and see how he does it all and is not too bad in coverage either and it makes me appreciate an OLB who can do everything asked of him and isn't just a 2 point edge rusher.

[Edgar]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

No problem with taking Hargreaves. I'm not a fan of Thompson, especially as a second round pick. I like Beavers but I think third is a tad high for him and I like him better in the fourth. Schobert is a bit underwhelming tbh. I think the draft it's okay but I think we'll do better. I feel like this is a worst case draft for us. Like, we're having an unlucky draft kind of draft. 

I definitely tried to make a realistic(who knows for sure) mock. Would I prefer Spence in the 2nd? Definitely but I see Darian Thompson as Landon Collins with better ball skills. I really think Darian Thompson has the look of a pro bowl player. Then again, I had similar feelings watching Arthur Brown in college.

As for Beavers, if he is viewed as a legit LT, he may not make it to the third. That pick is largely a ghost based on one game,some things I have read and perhaps wishful thinking.

Schobert is the kind of pick that has people proclaiming the genius of Belichik. I get that you like him inside but even if that were the case, he would be a straight steal in the fourth. I find I have a hard time comparing him to anyone.

i think we will do "better". Trying to avoid a Myles Jack, Kevin Dodd.....etc., sort of mock.

oh, have you watched Grant?

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Edgar said:

I definitely tried to make a realistic(who knows for sure) mock. Would I prefer Spence in the 2nd? Definitely but I see Darian Thompson as Landon Collins with better ball skills. I really think Darian Thompson has the look of a pro bowl player. Then again, I had similar feelings watching Arthur Brown in college.

As for Beavers, if he is viewed as a legit LT, he may not make it to the third. That pick is largely a ghost based on one game,some things I have read and perhaps wishful thinking.

Schobert is the kind of pick that has people proclaiming the genius of Belichik. I get that you like him inside but even if that were the case, he would be a straight steal in the fourth. I find I have a hard time comparing him to anyone.

i think we will do "better". Trying to avoid a Myles Jack, Kevin Dodd.....etc., sort of mock.

oh, have you watched Grant?

I think it's less that I dislike Schobert and more that I don't like how you waited to address a critically vital position. The Ravens don't exactly telegraph their moves, but we haven't signed a single pass rusher, my man. That tells me something. While it's true we haven't done anything with ILB, we did re-sign McClellan. He can admittedly play both, but I think he was signed to potentially sub into the ILB role next to Mosley. I think I'd like this mock if you didn't take Thompson. I get you like him, but I think he's a bad fit and I don't like him this early. Furthermore, I'd rather you take a pass rusher here. I think we would still have an option at a pass rusher, and I find it too important to not get one here after taking Hargreaves. That's my issue. 

I've seen some of Grant. I watched Texas Tech to watch Le'Raven Clark. I don't like how small Grant is. I get it not to judge a guy by his height, but he's 5'6. I wouldn't take him until the 6th round.

[thieverycorporation]

13 hours ago, Edgar said:

Check out JAKEEM GRANT( 4th round edit). A must see.

Nice find with Grant. I'd definitely take a long look @ him.

He's on somebody's radar.