Post Combine & Free Agency Mock 2.0

[RavensDieHard21]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Or we can sign a proven vet so they won't have to learn through denial and error

I agree, it's not rocket appliances. But on draft day I'm going to come back in this forum and say Atodaso, I freaking atodaso! 

[Wildabeast88]

Think I would do a couple backflips if this was our draft

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Think I would do a couple backflips if this was our draft

I did it as the best case scenario with a semi-realistic outlook. Just sifting through so many articles and getting A feel for other teams needs, as well as the value of all these prospects. They are all great, but have sliding potential. Where players like Ramsey, Dodd, Floyd, Doctson, Treadwell, and so on were previous prospects that might slide to us in our first three picks but no longer appear to have a chance.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree, it's not rocket appliances. But on draft day I'm going to come back in this forum and say Atodaso, I freaking atodaso! 

I've met cats and dogs smarter than Jerry jones, most cats and dogs are smarter than Jerry jones. I wonder if he lets our guy fall to us

[ravensdan]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've met cats and dogs smarter than Jerry jones, most cats and dogs are smarter than Jerry jones. I wonder if he lets our guy fall to us

I'm not sure what you're getting at here but the Cowboys have drafted very well the last several years. Better than the Ravens. Maybe the best of any team. 

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I'm not sure what you're getting at here but the Cowboys have drafted very well the last several years. Better than the Ravens. Maybe the best of any team. 

It's a reference for the sake of referencing. I know they have drafted well.

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's a reference for the sake of referencing. I know they have drafted well.

It's I know not thought of nationally but the Patriots are a team that rarely drafts any star players outside of round 1. They definitely get too much credit. 

[JoeyFlex5]

36 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

It's I know not thought of nationally but the Patriots are a team that rarely drafts any star players outside of round 1. They definitely get too much credit. 

I was literally only saying that to carry on trailer park boys quotes lol

[Sizzlebshu]

On 3/18/2016 at 7:38 PM, GrimCoconut said:

You think Tennessee doubles down on secondary after taking Ramsey? I seriously doubt it. 

Depends on what they take Ramsey as? They take him as a safety why couldn't they use a corner? Vice-versa. 

[thieverycorporation]

Nice draft.

[RavensDieHard21]

On 3/19/2016 at 3:47 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's a reference for the sake of referencing. I know they have drafted well.

Lmao I figured eventually a TPB outsider would get deceived by our comments and references haha

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao I figured eventually a TPB outsider would get deceived by our comments and references haha

Hey, what comes around is all around.

[hn68wb4]

Each of the first 3 picks could easily not be there, I think there's 0 chance Boyd makes it to the third.

 

I don't like taking Killebrew and Cash - both are S/LB hybrids and taking two safeties, neither of which have particularly good coverage skills, is unnecessary. I'd much rather we go for a dlineman or another corner.

[trevorsteadman]

I really enjoy the Killebrew pick. I think he is taken more in the 3rd round but if he fell to our fourth round I can see us taking him. Seems like the Ravens love guys from Utah and they usually have good careers here. I am also a huge Bosa supporter, I believe he can be a great 3-4 outside linebacker even though a lot say he cannot. It may be a year or year and a half getting accustomed to the new postion but playing behind Suggs and Dumervil makes it a little easier to learn as well. I don't think he would get thrown into the fire as fast which is a plus. 

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I really enjoy the Killebrew pick. I think he is taken more in the 3rd round but if he fell to our fourth round I can see us taking him. Seems like the Ravens love guys from Utah and they usually have good careers here. I am also a huge Bosa supporter, I believe he can be a great 3-4 outside linebacker even though a lot say he cannot. It may be a year or year and a half getting accustomed to the new postion but playing behind Suggs and Dumervil makes it a little easier to learn as well. I don't think he would get thrown into the fire as fast which is a plus. 

Bosa would be a strong side starter and kick in to the 3tech or 5tech on pass rushing downs I believe. I think bosa would take a lot of snaps from our vets and make a drastic difference. Having Bosa kick inside on passing downs with either suggs or doom to his outside shoulder with jernigan occupying the other side would make for a very scary pass rush. 

[trevorsteadman]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Bosa would be a strong side starter and kick in to the 3tech or 5tech on pass rushing downs I believe. I think bosa would take a lot of snaps from our vets and make a drastic difference. Having Bosa kick inside on passing downs with either suggs or doom to his outside shoulder with jernigan occupying the other side would make for a very scary pass rush. 

I agree and I also like the pick because if he was there he would most likely be the BPA (depending of course) and a huge need with Dumervil and Suggs both up there in age. Also Suggs is dealing with his driving without a license issue and coming off of an achilles tear. We don't know how Suggs will come back. I hate the argument that Bosa only had 7 sacks after Spence left... The same thing happened to Dumervil after Suggs went down with an injury. 17 sacks in 2014 and then 6 in 2015 for Dumervil. Of course it is going to happen if you are double and triple teamed. And even for his lack of sacks he still had a lot of pressures and qb hits.

[JoeyFlex5]

31 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree and I also like the pick because if he was there he would most likely be the BPA (depending of course) and a huge need with Dumervil and Suggs both up there in age. Also Suggs is dealing with his driving without a license issue and coming off of an achilles tear. We don't know how Suggs will come back. I hate the argument that Bosa only had 7 sacks after Spence left... The same thing happened to Dumervil after Suggs went down with an injury. 17 sacks in 2014 and then 6 in 2015 for Dumervil. Of course it is going to happen if you are double and triple teamed. And even for his lack of sacks he still had a lot of pressures and qb hits.

I've yet to hear a legit argument about Bosa not being a great pick for us. Oh he can't drop into coverage? Well thank God we won't be drafting him to play ILB or safety. He isn't explosive enough? Well thank God he isn't a rotational speed rusher who gets washed against the run. He falls over on occasion? At least he has lean which most 6'7" defenders lack and we dont have to see him get stood up and put on skates against guards. He has long hair and a even keel attitude and was known to party as a freshman? Well thank God he moved out and on his own away from the partiers so he could focus on school and football... 

If anyone has another myth they need debunked I'd be glad to do so lol

[Clmraven]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree and I also like the pick because if he was there he would most likely be the BPA (depending of course) and a huge need with Dumervil and Suggs both up there in age. Also Suggs is dealing with his driving without a license issue and coming off of an achilles tear. We don't know how Suggs will come back. I hate the argument that Bosa only had 7 sacks after Spence left... The same thing happened to Dumervil after Suggs went down with an injury. 17 sacks in 2014 and then 6 in 2015 for Dumervil. Of course it is going to happen if you are double and triple teamed. And even for his lack of sacks he still had a lot of pressures and qb hits.

Didn't Bosa have his best year after spence left though?

[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Didn't Bosa have his best year after spence left though?

I don't believe so I was watching a couple videos on NFL.com yesterday and they brought up that Bosa's production decreased when Spence left. Maybe their information was wrong but that is where I got mine. If his actually increased then that's even a better reason to draft him.

Edited March 23, 2016 by trevorsteadman

[Clmraven]

8 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't believe so I was watching a couple videos on NFL.com yesterday and they brought up that Bosa's production decreased when Spence left. Maybe their information was wrong but that is where I got mine. If his actually increased then that's even a better reason to draft him.

I don't think spence played at all In 2014 which was Bosa's best statistical year, I could be wrong but I thought Spence was suspended then banned before he even played a game In 2014

[trevorsteadman]

3 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

I don't think spence played at all In 2014 which was Bosa's best statistical year, I could be wrong but I thought Spence was suspended then banned before he even played a game In 2014

Then someone needs to tell NFL.com to get their stuff together. I was watching one of their videos on what they see in Joey Bosa. They said they see him as a solid player but not one of the blue chip players in the draft because of Spence leaving dropped Bosa's production. If you're right then there is no reason to believe Bosa won't be one of the blue chip players out of this draft. I also think with his lean and power that he would become a great 3-4 outside linebacker especially if he gets that chance alongside Dumervil and Suggs. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

I don't think spence played at all In 2014 which was Bosa's best statistical year, I could be wrong but I thought Spence was suspended then banned before he even played a game In 2014

Spence wasn't at osu in the 2014 season I'm pretty sure. Idk if he was suspended or moved and playing at eku but I'm almost certain he wasn't at osu

[Mt. Crushmore]

20 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Spence wasn't at osu in the 2014 season I'm pretty sure. Idk if he was suspended or moved and playing at eku but I'm almost certain he wasn't at osu

Spence didn't leave Ohio State until after the 2014 season. He was suspended indefinitely in September of 2014 for another failed test and then in November the Big Ten made him permanently ineligible. He announced his transfer to EKU in January of 2015

[Clmraven]

29 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Spence didn't leave Ohio State until after the 2014 season. He was suspended indefinitely in September of 2014 for another failed test and then in November the Big Ten made him permanently ineligible. He announced his transfer to EKU in January of 2015

But he didn't play at all during 2014 correct? I believe he was suspended for 3 games before the season started then in September was suspended indefinitely then eventually banned.

 

Edit: just checked Google. He was suspended January 1st 2014 for 3 games (the bowl game and first 2 games in 2014 season) then before he returned from his first he failed another drug test and was eventually banned before hitting the field at all.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Clmraven

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Spence didn't leave Ohio State until after the 2014 season. He was suspended indefinitely in September of 2014 for another failed test and then in November the Big Ten made him permanently ineligible. He announced his transfer to EKU in January of 2015

So he started but only played about half the season before he played his last game there. 

 

So Bosa was having his totally dominant season with Washington and Bennett as his supporting cast and nobody else of note

[Mt. Crushmore]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So he started but only played about half the season before he played his last game there. 

 

So Bosa was having his totally dominant season with Washington and Bennett as his supporting cast and nobody else of note

Spence didn't play at all in 2014. Was suspended for the first 2 games from a prior suspension and then got another suspension. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On 3/22/2016 at 1:27 PM, hn68wb4 said:

Each of the first 3 picks could easily not be there, I think there's 0 chance Boyd makes it to the third.

 

I don't like taking Killebrew and Cash - both are S/LB hybrids and taking two safeties, neither of which have particularly good coverage skills, is unnecessary. I'd much rather we go for a dlineman or another corner.

I wouldn't mind another corner or lineman either if the value was there. I just really like what Cash can do in the box and that Killebrew will be used differently in our secondary so that is why I justified that pick. His athleticism is pretty impressive and with a little better coaching and technique, he has the speed and range to cover running backs, receivers and tight ends. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Bosa was dominant when he had help in the pass rushing department and still was a monster after Spence left. The guy has a proven track record. And as Joey Flex5 said, he will be a part of a scary pass rushing unit, especially on third downs when he kicks inside with Jernigan and Williams along with Suggs and Doom on the outside.