Will Hill released

[spitfire418]

11 minutes ago, DrPuff said:

Well regardless of what you all want to argue. It was apparent that Harbaugh had Hill behind Webb and Lewis in terms of the depth chart since mid last year. I trust his judgment over anyone in this thread. Saying that, Maybe hes clearing cap space for Oline/Oline depth. Could benefit the team more than a safety 4th on the depth chart.

Yeah Webb did come in for Hill, but whoever put Kendrick Lewis over any other safety on the team needs to rethink their decision. I'd rather have Hill and Webb than Lewis at any spot on the field.

[Cillmatic]

So we cut the young, tall and durable SS who's proven he can cover TE's instead of the old man who's injury prone, 5'10 and relatively skinny? 

 

Hope Terrence Brooks is ready to play SS.

its funny, for 24 hours it look like we had a good secondary.

[eek]

what hill lacked in coverage i thought he made up from in run stuffing and playing the box. I thought the point of signing weddle was to let hill play the box more. weddle doesnt strike me as a SS yet. he still has good range probably better than webbs, but it also leads me to believe Hill is going to be suspended. I dont see why we wouldn't seek a trade

Edited March 16, 2016 by eek

[DrPuff]

NFL isnt like MLB. Trades dont happen for mediocre players. Hill had no trade value. Why would he? I still believe they are clearing cap space for Brandon Williams or Tucker contracts. Have some optimism.

[ravensnj]

I guess we are trading up to get Ramsey, lol.

Painful 

[Tank 92]

There's 6 months before the season starts.  Maybe just let things play out and see where we end up. 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, DrPuff said:

NFL isnt like MLB. Trades dont happen for mediocre players. Hill had no trade value. Why would he? I still believe they are clearing cap space for Brandon Williams or Tucker contracts. Have some optimism.

Shouldn't need to create space for a Tucker extension... his deal would likely be the same as the franchise tag amount he's currently under OR less. 

Don't see a scenario where Tucker has a higher cap number than he does right now in 2016.

[eek]

1 minute ago, DrPuff said:

NFL isnt like MLB. Trades dont happen for mediocre players. Hill had no trade value. Why would he? I still believe they are clearing cap space for Brandon Williams or Tucker contracts. Have some optimism.

im sure they are but when you got teams like Titans or SD now that need a saftey, im sure they would send a high round pick for Hill

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Sure, dead money is taken into account when deciding to cut any one player. I'm saying dead money had absolutely nothing to do with the decision between Hill and Webb. The dead money left over after cutting Webb + Hill's salary is pretty much the same as just Webb's salary. So if it was about cap savings they would have cut Webb. 

It's about the players, period. Dead money had no effect on deciding to cut Hill over Webb.

I've never said it was either Webb or Hill, I just used Webb as an example to show that dead cap matters - I, at no point this offseason, have thought that Webb will or should be cut, he's a good player, I just used him as an example. I feel like you're trying to argue with me under the assumption that I'm saying either Webb or Hill was going to be cut and dead cap was the decider, and that's not what I'm saying at all.

[spitfire418]

2 minutes ago, DrPuff said:

NFL isnt like MLB. Trades dont happen for mediocre players. Hill had no trade value. Why would he? I still believe they are clearing cap space for Brandon Williams or Tucker contracts. Have some optimism.

Trades happen for all types of players in the NFL. Will Hill most definitely had some trade value. No question. For example, if I was any other GM I would easily give a 7th round pick for him, and he's worth more than just that.

[hn68wb4]

3 minutes ago, DrPuff said:

NFL isnt like MLB. Trades dont happen for mediocre players. Hill had no trade value. Why would he? I still believe they are clearing cap space for Brandon Williams or Tucker contracts. Have some optimism.

I think you're being unreasonable on this one. Hill was far from "mediocre," he won't make or break our secondary but plenty of teams would have traded at least a 5th for him, let's not act like he's a bum here.

[redrum52]

What!?!?!?!?!?

[RavensFan34950]

2 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

It's a different position, he's going to get beat up by tight ends and running backs

I'll choose to look at it like this, Weddle is a upgrade over Hill. And Webb is a upgrade over Lewis.

[jdynamite]

Really confused by this? I mean what gives? He's had very solid play for us for 2 years now. 

 

Wasn't big on the Weddle signing, definitely hate the move of releasing Will Hill unless we bring him back in later. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, eek said:

im sure they are but when you got teams like Titans or SD now that need a saftey, im sure they would send a high round pick for Hill

Why?

They can just wait another season (or in this case just sign him now) and sign him without giving up a pick.

I'd say you MAYBE could have fetched a 4th or 5th rounder for him.

Chandler Jones, a dominant, young, emerging pass rusher, was worth a late 2nd rounder and a Guard who never plays.

Will Hill was never close to that level, especially when he's one suspension away from a one year or longer ban.

[Gordo52]

Stunning. Shocked. Disappointing. 

[pmr468]

Terrible move. We should have release Dean Pees instead.

[hn68wb4]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, I hope this was a joke.

Never really understood the logic of "hey, we just cut a SS, so now we are going to trade up to get a FS/Corner". 

We literally basically added two safeties from the majority of last season already. And because we cut the SS... we now must move up to draft a player who really wouldn't play that role at all?

I'd view this as the equivalent of saying "well we just cut Will Hill, time to move up and grab Ronnie Stanley".

bit of a reach on the analogy but I agree that the logic doesn't follow. I think a better analogy would be a WR vs. TE or at least related positions.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, pep_meister said:

we have zero quality depth in a secondary made of glass........................................... we are one injury away from duck taping it back together like 2014.

 

So you're going to trade up to the 1st pick to get depth?

What you just described is called progress, considering last season we didn't really have quality STARTERS at safety anyway, let alone depth.

Did anybody honestly think that we were going to gut the secondary and bring in starters and quality depth in one offseason? That's a 2-3 year project at the minimum.

[DrPuff]

Just now, spitfire418 said:

Trades happen for all types of players in the NFL. Will Hill most definitely had some trade value. No question. For example, if I was any other GM I would easily give a 7th round pick for him, and he's worth more than just that.

They really dont though. Hill had no value for a trade.  Just wishful thinking. If someone was interested they would have found the avenue. Hill just had really high potential. People thinking he would break out and he didnt. Average at best.

[spitfire418]

All I want this off-season is to one day see the official words: Ravens have released S Kendrick Lewis.

[Alexir]

Hopefully we sign a Pass rusher, Tackle , linebacker or corner now. I just don't like going into the draft with sooo many holes.

[RavensFan34950]

Weddle>Hill - Webb > Lewis. Gotta be optimistic at this point. But it's still a confusing move

[spitfire418]

1 minute ago, DrPuff said:

They really dont though. Hill had no value for a trade.  Just wishful thinking. If someone was interested they would have found the avenue. Hill just had really high potential. People thinking he would break out and he didnt. Average at best.

I'm sorry, but you won't find a team with safety needs or really any team that wouldn't give something for Will Hill.

[pep_meister]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So you're going to trade up to the 1st pick to get depth?

What you just described is called progress, considering last season we didn't really have quality STARTERS at safety anyway, let alone depth.

Did anybody honestly think that we were going to gut the secondary and bring in starters and quality depth in one offseason? That's a 2-3 year project at the minimum.

It wouldn't be trading up for depth. You really think a player like Ramsey is just depth? it would force other players into being quality depth. so easy to forget bad depth in our secondary cost us a trip to the superbowl just two years ago...

[DrPuff]

Just now, spitfire418 said:

I'm sorry, but you won't find a team with safety needs or really any team that wouldn't give something for Will Hill.

This isnt madden 25. He had no trade value. Not with his prior suspensions and average production.

[spitfire418]

2 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Weddle>Hill - Webb > Lewis. Gotta be optimistic at this point. But it's still a confusing move

Blade of grass > Lewis

[Sizzlebshu]

Well here;s my thought on the move now that I had time to digest it. 

First it is important to realize we don't know if Will Hill broke some rule and is going to get hit with another suspension. I would wait to see if that happens before evaluating the move. Assuming that isn't the case, however, ultimately this was about money. 

Cutting Will Hill created 3 m in cap space. In order to get the same amount freed up, we would have to cut Elam and Lewis. Now while ppl may be in favor of this, consider that each of them are paid at a rate that is consistent with a part-time player/backup while Hill's 4.5 million number was too rich for a guy that ultimately is a part time player in the eyes of the organization. 

Webb, as absurd as his cap number is, was never in danger of losing his job to Hill because he can play multiple positions. If Hill could play linebacker in a Troy Polamalu fashion, maybe the argument would be different, but that isn't the case. Webb can be a FS/SS for the team and an average to above average corner in a pinch. 

That being said, you could play Hill at SS and Webb at corner to maximize the talent on the field. However, the issue with that is injuries to Webb and ultimately only Hill would have a justified contract while Webb would not. Additionally, it is harder to cut Webb due to dead money. 

In the end, the real issue was a money one. Hill is a talented and starting caliber safety, even a value at his current contract, but ultimately he was overpaid for the role he was playing ie a part time safety. 

[ALPHA]

6 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

I'll choose to look at it like this, Weddle is a upgrade over Hill. And Webb is a upgrade over Lewis.

It's done now so I'm ok with it. Hopefully this doesn't backfire on us.

[Sizzlebshu]

2 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

I'm sorry, but you won't find a team with safety needs or really any team that wouldn't give something for Will Hill.

He was going to be cut anyway. He is one drug test away from a yr ban. Teams would just wait it out.