Grim's Ravens Mock: 2.0

[GrimCoconut]

I've had this in progress for some time, but wanted to wait to see a few Pro Days and stuff before posting it. I'm trying to do fewer mocks this year due to school. Since some of the dust of FA has settled, I have a better picture of how things will play out and how the first 5 picks should go before we're on the clock. With that said, here it is, ladies & gentlemen. My mock.

Round 1, Pick 6: Joey Bosa, Edge Defender, Ohio State

I keep going back and forth here. I want to go with popular opinion that he’s not here, but I think Bosa will be here and he will be a Raven. Staying true to my gut. We get our future stud pass rusher.

Round 2: Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

I think Fuller gets lost in the CB shuffle due to a very talented top-heavy CB class. Fuller is an ideal fit in many ways for this defense. He brings what we need on defense, and that’s turnovers. I feel good about him being here.

Round 3: Kentrell Brothers, LB, Missouri

Linebackers have a tendency to fall & while I think Brothers should go higher, I think he’ll go somewhere around here due to an average Combine in terms of athleticism. He should provide the coverage skills we need at ILB. I like him across from Mosley.

Round 4: Willie Beavers, OL, Western Michigan

This guy’s my favorite value OL in the Draft. He’s got the feet, quickness, and stance to play LT and other positions. He’ll be depth LT (which is what we need at LT atm with Monroe) & potentially more if/when Monroe goes down. I think he could eventually replace Monroe, and should blossom with Castillo. 

Round 4 via DEN: Sean Davis, DB, Maryland

Surprised nobody talks about this Terp. He needs work, but he has the athleticism to be a beastly player in the secondary & can be both a safety & CB. Good ball skills.

Round 4 comp (McPhee): Sheldon Day, DL, Notre Dame

I love what I’ve seen from Day as a pass rusher. He is very quick off the ball and is an underrated defender in a very good DL class.

Round 4 comp (Torrey): Kolby Listenbee, WR, TCU

Straight-line, deep speed threat with good hands. Say what? Just what we needed.

Round 6: Aaron Wallace, OLB, UCLA

I’m sometimes surprised nobody talks about Wallace, but then again not really since Jack overshadows him. I think Wallace has a lot of unlocked potential as a pass rusher and he did a very good job at his Pro Day today. 

Round 6 comp (Daniels): Keith Marshall, RB, Georgia

I like Marshall a lot in the ZBS. I thought he caught the ball pretty well in RB drills at the Combine. He will need a little bit of work, but I think he’s an underrated player and he provides some RB competition

[Clmraven]

Love it. Would love if Bosa fell, Fuller could be a good backup plan for Wright in the first year at least, I've always been a huge fan of Brothers even though I think we need more athleticism he's just a beast. And Sean Davis is one of my favs and I like him at safety though I think he could go higher.

[allblackraven]

Nice, maybe even realistic. I'm not sold on Day though - has propensity to get overpowered too many times and his injury history is concerning. Those two things might be related.

Love Sean Davis but I'm thinking we try and weed out what we have first (including Julian Wilson, who is pretty similar player).

[52520Andrew]

41 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Round 2: Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

Round 3: Kentrell Brothers, LB, Missouri

Taking my players I see...

Also has Day's stock fallen off to the point he can be had in the late 4th? I think he is a bit of a tweener sure but he is a talented player that should be able to find a home somewhere

[GrimCoconut]

15 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Taking my players I see...

Also has Day's stock fallen off to the point he can be had in the late 4th? I think he is a bit of a tweener sure but he is a talented player that should be able to find a home somewhere

Yes, I believe it has. He's often considered a tweener, as you say, and we've seen those type of prospects fall during the Draft. I think he will go here, especially due to the strong DL class. 

Lol, hey, just taking guys that I think make sense for the Ravens. 

[edthehead]

keith marshall out of UGA, will be a draft day steal a yr or 2 from now.

a really good back, remember UGA put out good RB's

 

[Davesta]

Who do u see the top 5 picking for bosa to fall to us? I think it really depends on if Cleveland take a skill player instead of a QB, then everything goes crazy.

[Edgar]

I agree that fuller isn't mentioned as much as he should be. 

I lose you at round three. Feels like a need pick to me and I feel there will be better players available. Sheldon Day is definitely a value pick where you have him. I wonder how he might improve against the run.

I like the rest quite a little bit though I wouldn't mind a center in round four rather than a wideout.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

I agree that fuller isn't mentioned as much as he should be. 

I lose you at round three. Feels like a need pick to me and I feel there will be better players available. Sheldon Day is definitely a value pick where you have him. I wonder how he might improve against the run.

I like the rest quite a little bit though I wouldn't mind a center in round four rather than a wideout.

Brothers is very smart, displays great instincts, and he can cover. He also posted a very respectable 3 cone drill, which is an important drill relating to coverage. His 3 cone is actually better than Mosley's. 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Brothers is very smart, displays great instincts, and he can cover. He also posted a very respectable 3 cone drill, which is an important drill relating to coverage. His 3 cone is actually better than Mosley's. 

Brothers will be a stellar pro ILB for these reasons. I'm a huge fan 

[RavensDieHard21]

If this happens ill be stoked! I have had the same gut feeling about Bosa landing here. let us pray Kap stays in San Fran. Beavers is a great pick too and wouldn't be overly upset if we used our third pick on him, but obviously love it more if we could land him in the 4th.

[sflegend89]

Would love that draft. I think it addresses all of our major needs and stays in well within the realm of possibility. As RavensDieHard21 stated I think Beavers might have to be selected with our 3rd round pick but overall really solid mock.

- "Instant Coffee" in the 1st, check

- Pass Rusher, check

- One of the top CB prospects, check

- Insurance for Monroe, check

[Winchester]

As always you are the man!! My personal touches I would pick Deion Jones in round2 then Beavers round3. Here is why. Ravens do not need a cornerback early cuz I love your Davis pick!! He and will Davis could be dynamic!! My uncle's friend has Davis and Day as part of his 8 most underrated list. He is reported to have blanketed Diggs in practice and made it look easy. Marshall is a good pick to push Buck. He runs tough and can finish runs. Day plays stronger nthanngiven credit for. Plays like Mike Daniels andvkniws how to finish which is very underrated!! Your only what are you thinking pick. Listenbee!! a new one trick long ball threat?? Seriously?? lol. I would actually like to use the tradable round4 to cks to trade up couple spots with the round2 and 3picks to secure impact players. Just my opinion the ravens need to move in on players the scouts love and lose that we can find any player that can still help the team approach. Once the ravens target is picked. Resulted in countless busts for the ravens including Elam, fat Terrance cody,Kindle, Scrubshaw,Brown,2012 running back,Carl Davis.  Great Draft!! If listenbee is replaced with a receiver i like Demarcus Robinson or Sharp.

[usmccharles]

I would be happy with this draft, big time.  I am still not a huge fan of Bosa but if he falls to us, I think I will still have some excitement.  I love the Defense heavy players and taking an OL in the 4th. 

With our FA so far and this draft, I think we would be right back up there.  Hopefully Bosa could learn from Suggs and Doom

[ravefan52]

First three rounds would be a pretty great draft. I want Bosa so bad

[KBoum]

Love it nice job Grim. I'd love to bring a training camp battle at LG. Westerman could be in the mix as well.  Don't know much about Sean Davis can he return punt ? I like Cyrus Jones because he would filled the returner spot as well as slot CB right away. Sheldon Day I'm with you he brings nice inside pressure. I love Beavers feet as well. 

As for the guy playing with Mosley, I'm a bit high on Deion Jones, maybe I'm the only one but he looks like a BALLER.

[GrimCoconut]

35 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Love it nice job Grim. I'd love to bring a training camp battle at LG. Westerman could be in the mix as well.  Don't know much about Sean Davis can he return punt ? I like Cyrus Jones because he would filled the returner spot as well as slot CB right away. Sheldon Day I'm with you he brings nice inside pressure. I love Beavers feet as well. 

As for the guy playing with Mosley, I'm a bit high on Deion Jones, maybe I'm the only one but he looks like a BALLER.

Thanks. I think Deion Jones is out of grasp. I think that guy is a 2nd round pick and I think that'll be too rich for us with Fuller still around. It's no easy task passing on Jones for Fuller, but this is Kendall Fuller and he has ball skills and knows how to cover. We're also desperate for a CB like him, and he's a perfect fit for Frazier. 

4 hours ago, Winchester said:

As always you are the man!! My personal touches I would pick Deion Jones in round2 then Beavers round3. Here is why. Ravens do not need a cornerback early cuz I love your Davis pick!! He and will Davis could be dynamic!! My uncle's friend has Davis and Day as part of his 8 most underrated list. He is reported to have blanketed Diggs in practice and made it look easy. Marshall is a good pick to push Buck. He runs tough and can finish runs. Day plays stronger nthanngiven credit for. Plays like Mike Daniels andvkniws how to finish which is very underrated!! Your only what are you thinking pick. Listenbee!! a new one trick long ball threat?? Seriously?? lol. I would actually like to use the tradable round4 to cks to trade up couple spots with the round2 and 3picks to secure impact players. Just my opinion the ravens need to move in on players the scouts love and lose that we can find any player that can still help the team approach. Once the ravens target is picked. Resulted in countless busts for the ravens including Elam, fat Terrance cody,Kindle, Scrubshaw,Brown,2012 running back,Carl Davis.  Great Draft!! If listenbee is replaced with a receiver i like Demarcus Robinson or Sharp.

Thanks. I think Jones is gone by our 3rd and I think he's below Kendall Fuller as a prospect, so I can't justify taking Jones over Fuller. I struggled with Beavers as mentioned below, and I would have no issue with him as a 3rd round pick. We pick early enough in the 4th round that we do pick nearly as a 3rd, and could always trade up. I really like Listenbee. We needed that one-trick pony, and let's be honest here: we don't know if we have any speedster guys. Wallace is getting older, is on a two-year deal, while Perriman is coming off a season-ending injury. I also like Jay Lee for us from Baylor, as well as Malcolm Mitchell. I just think Listenbee does what we want best, and I like how he tracks the ball in the air. He's really good at tracking the deep ball and his hands aren't bad. 

5 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Would love that draft. I think it addresses all of our major needs and stays in well within the realm of possibility. As RavensDieHard21 stated I think Beavers might have to be selected with our 3rd round pick but overall really solid mock.

- "Instant Coffee" in the 1st, check

- Pass Rusher, check

- One of the top CB prospects, check

- Insurance for Monroe, check

I struggled with where to put Beavers since he should go in the 3rd, but I think this strong OL class pushes him down a bit and I see him somewhere as a late 3rd, early 4th type of guy. He could go higher, but here's the deal, right: 1st-3rd rounders are typically expected to be starters. You don't typically have those guys sit, so I think that perhaps could factor into it here. Would I be upset with Beavers in the 3rd? No way. I'd take him with our 3rd rounder. 

[redlobster]

I really like Keith Marshall after his combine performance.

[Somerset Ravens]

This is a very good draft for us. The first three picks really strengthen our defense. I am not sold on Day and would prefer a second offensive lineman in that spot.

Both Marshall and Listenbee would add much desired speed. Do either of them have return skills ?

[Clmraven]

3 hours ago, KBoum said:

Love it nice job Grim. I'd love to bring a training camp battle at LG. Westerman could be in the mix as well.  Don't know much about Sean Davis can he return punt ? I like Cyrus Jones because he would filled the returner spot as well as slot CB right away. Sheldon Day I'm with you he brings nice inside pressure. I love Beavers feet as well. 

As for the guy playing with Mosley, I'm a bit high on Deion Jones, maybe I'm the only one but he looks like a BALLER.

 

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Thanks. I think Deion Jones is out of grasp. I think that guy is a 2nd round pick

 

8 hours ago, Winchester said:

As always you are the man!! My personal touches I would pick Deion Jones in round2 

Suprised to see so many people high on Jones, I guess Arizona kinda opened eyes with Bucannon in a 3-4 and a really undersized LBs, but I agree I think Jones is gone before our 3rd, I like Montese Overton though as a later round guy undersized like Jones but an absolute flyer around the field.

[Dewy101]

I feel like Fuller only gets mentioned because of his name not because of talents, which are questionable at best. 

[Dewy101]

Beavers is up there with LeRaven Clark as the most overrated prospects. 

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Dewy101 said:

I feel like Fuller only gets mentioned because of his name not because of talents, which are questionable at best. 

Yeah, because ball skills are overrated and questionable.

[Dewy101]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah, because ball skills are overrated and questionable.

He's an overrated prospect. Where's his play recognition, hes athletic and that's all about him you can say about him. He jumps too many routes and fails miserably. He gets bullied in press coverage at best he's a nickel corner right now. Watch his tape he gives receivers so much room to manuever.  He just can't stick to his man. Like I said people are just high on him because of his name. 

[GrimCoconut]

31 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

He's an overrated prospect. Where's his play recognition, hes athletic and that's all about him you can say about him. He jumps too many routes and fails miserably. He gets bullied in press coverage at best he's a nickel corner right now. Watch his tape he gives receivers so much room to manuever.  He just can't stick to his man. Like I said people are just high on him because of his name. 

I've watched his tape. I've also watched him play live twice. I know what Fuller can do. I've seen his best and worst games (not live, mind you) and I know he's a good prospect. I think he's an ideal fit for what Frazier likes out of DBs. I'm not sure how much that matters here since Frazier is a position coach, but I believe Fuller can be a very good off-man CB and he has ball skills to boot. 

[KBoum]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've watched his tape. I've also watched him play live twice. I know what Fuller can do. I've seen his best and worst games (not live, mind you) and I know he's a good prospect. I think he's an ideal fit for what Frazier likes out of DBs. I'm not sure how much that matters here since Frazier is a position coach, but I believe Fuller can be a very good off-man CB and he has ball skills to boot. 

I'll trust your word on it. I haven't seen him at all. I've only read somewhere is in the Top players to end up a bust of this year draft

[Dewy101]

17 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've watched his tape. I've also watched him play live twice. I know what Fuller can do. I've seen his best and worst games (not live, mind you) and I know he's a good prospect. I think he's an ideal fit for what Frazier likes out of DBs. I'm not sure how much that matters here since Frazier is a position coach, but I believe Fuller can be a very good off-man CB and he has ball skills to boot. 

He's a reach in the second where there will be better prospects available. He struggled off man against Ohio state in 2014 and 2015. He just gives up too much ground to receivers. I'd love to see where he's good in off man coverage because I can show you a dozen plays where he just doesn't have the play recognition to play off man. Where are his ball skills? He never looks for the ball when getting beat deep or on double moves. He just decides to run into the receiver and gets called for PIs

Edited March 17, 2016 by Dewy101

[ellicottraven]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've watched his tape. I've also watched him play live twice. I know what Fuller can do. I've seen his best and worst games (not live, mind you) and I know he's a good prospect. I think he's an ideal fit for what Frazier likes out of DBs. I'm not sure how much that matters here since Frazier is a position coach, but I believe Fuller can be a very good off-man CB and he has ball skills to boot. 

What exactly do you think Frazier likes out of his DBs? Please expound. 

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

What exactly do you think Frazier likes out of his DBs? Please expound. 

Exactly what Fuller does best - take the ball or break the pass. He'd have really nice opportunity to learn FS spot from Weddle.

[52520Andrew]

58 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

He's a reach in the second where there will be better prospects available. He struggled off man against Ohio state in 2014 and 2015. He just gives up too much ground to receivers. I'd love to see where he's good in off man coverage because I can show you a dozen plays where he just doesn't have the play recognition to play off man. Where are his ball skills? He never looks for the ball when getting beat deep or on double moves. He just decides to run into the receiver and gets called for PIs

You do realize that he was playing on a torn meniscus the first 3 games of 2015 right?