[News] Mike Wallace To Sign With Ravens

[OriolesMagicPlease]

I like this signing and I think Joe will too.

[respecttheRaven]

Can you smell what the OZ is cooking??!!

[jlswartzii]

Wallace knows that he needs one or two great seasons to have a shot at getting another large contract from any team. Look at him with the Steelers. He was playing at his best when he was still trying to chase that big contract. He was also playing for a contender that had an established QB that can make the throws that play to Wallace's strengths. In Miami he already had the big contract, paired with a QB that didn't play to his strengths. They also weren't a contender. In Minnesota he was still getting paid, and also didn't have a QB that played to his strengths. Now he is here and hungry. He's playing for a payday again. He will have an established QB that can make the throws that play to his strengths. We are a contender. And, most importantly, he isn't expected to be "the guy" for us. He can just go out there and try to prove to us, and other teams, that he is worth more money when this contract runs out. That is a pretty big motivator for someone like Wallace because he tends to think $$ first, everything else second. Welcome to Baltimore Mike Wallace! Go out there and show teams you want $$ come 2018, us Ravens fans won't mind that :P

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

if they have to be "given" a chance, they wont be unseating anybody. Depth charts are a meritocracy, you TAKE your chance by proving you're better than the other guy.

I feel ya, but you need reps.

[riseNConquer81]

2 hours ago, robbie29 said:

Devil's advocate here...if you compare Flacco 2014-15 to Tannehill 2014 & Bridgewater 2015, the numbers are quite similar. In fact, if you go by Passer Rating- Tannehill was better than Joe in 2014 and Bridgewater was better than Flacco last year. Just saying. But there's little doubt that Mike Wallace is a significant improvement to the Ravens' receiving corps. I'm loving all the FA activity by the Ravens this offseason. When you go 5-11 I guess you gotta change things a bit from what you normally do. The Ravens haven't exactly struck gold with their comp picks the last 5 years anyhow, so why not sign some Free Agents?

Joe only played half a season, and had crap weapons and protection for what little time he was on the field. there is no comparison.

[riseNConquer81]

2 hours ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Too bad Wallace can't play left guard, inside linebacker or rush defensive end. I'm not crazy about this signing, I think that there are more pressing needs and better uses for that money. Flacco is not going to be able to throw to anybody if he's laying on his back.

"more pressing" is a matter of opinion.
and either way, ignoring a readily available solution to a need just because its not the most "pressing" one, doesnt make sense. 

[riseNConquer81]

13 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I feel ya, but you need reps.

they get on the same practice field and play in the same pre season games as everybody else. 

Kamar went from journeyman practice squadder to starter on his own. 
Smith Senior went from 3rd round punt returner runt to Hall of Famer on his own. 

if either of those guys actually has something worth paying attention to, they'll make it. aint no special treatment.
 

[riseNConquer81]

28 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I get your drift, but, NE cut Aiken. He was able to get reps cause we had no one else to throw out there. Preseason games the low numbers don't play with the ones and the best lines, etc...

Jeremy Butler and Daniel Brown were here last season. 
Nobody on this roster had a guaranteed starter job but Smith Senior, EVERYBODY was a low number except for him. So all the receivers certainly got ample opportunity to work with everybody and show something.
Aiken got reps because he was better than those two.

This obsession you have with denying the merit of the preformance of the starters in favor of these two no names at the bottom of depth chart who have had the same opportunity as everybody else and nothing to show for it, is weird.

Edited March 16, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[jravens1313]

9 hours ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Too bad Wallace can't play left guard, inside linebacker or rush defensive end. I'm not crazy about this signing, I think that there are more pressing needs and better uses for that money. Flacco is not going to be able to throw to anybody if he's laying on his back.

The focus will move to OLB, ILB, CB and LG/LT. I'm sure the draft calm many of your doubts: 

[jravens1313]

4 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Jeremy Butler and Daniel Brown were here last season. 
Nobody on this roster had a guaranteed starter job but Smith Senior, EVERYBODY was a low number except for him. So all the receivers certainly got ample opportunity to work with everybody and show something.
Aiken got reps because he was better than those two.

This obsession you have with denying the merit of the preformance of the starters in favor of these two no names at the bottom of depth chart who have had the same opportunity as everybody else and nothing to show for it, is weird.

Aiken only got reps due to injuries (Perriman & Smith) and being the last Vet standing. Don't act like the unheralded guys get the same chances as a high draft pick. Aiken also made the most of his opportunities. Butler's 1st year on the active roster was more productive than Aiken's 1st year as a Raven 2014. I think they will both be quality starters in this league. Wallace fits a need as deep threat depth and takes some pressure off of Perriman. 

[Halshayeji]

7 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Joe only played half a season, and had crap weapons and protection for what little time he was on the field. there is no comparison.

I'm one that's usually critical of Joe when he struggles because I feel he has the ability to play smart efficient football. I was critical of joes play last year and for good reason I think. But truth must be said. It took much longer than any of us expected for this team to finally grasp trestmans scheme. From week 10 or so, the whole offense played better with a lot less. Timing finally started working and turnovers went down. this year is going to be interesting, Joe has arguably the best group of pass catchers in the NFL. Someone could be wide open on just about every play. Now let's make sure Joe stays upright and maybe get monroe some knee braces something anything to stay on the field lol

Edited March 16, 2016 by Halshayeji

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I get your drift, but, NE cut Aiken. He was able to get reps cause we had no one else to throw out there. Preseason games the low numbers don't play with the ones and the best lines, etc...

That was truily a blessing in disguise. Aiken ran a 4.45 and has great hands. It's his intangibles that made him a practice squad guy. Being forced to play him only gave him the opportunity to work on his craft and he responded beautifully. Now he has a complete rout tree to go along with his hands and speed.

[riseNConquer81]

2 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Aiken only got reps due to injuries (Perriman & Smith) and being the last Vet standing. Don't act like the unheralded guys get the same chances as a high draft pick. Aiken also made the most of his opportunities. Butler's 1st year on the active roster was more productive than Aiken's 1st year as a Raven 2014. I think they will both be quality starters in this league. Wallace fits a need as deep threat depth and takes some pressure off of Perriman. 

Kamar Aiken was an undrafted Free agent who hadnt done anything but visit 3 practice squads before he landed here, which makes him a "vet" by mere technicality. if you go by his actual playtime, he was a rookie for all intenets an purposes.

He got reps because he was better than everybody we had left standing. Perriman was by no means a defacto number 2, and the decision of who to plug in the lineup when Smith went down was not arbitrary, he didnt get promoted JUST because he was a "vet." If that were the case, Marlon Brown wouldve been the number 1, he's been here longer than all 3 of them and had more significant play time as well.

Jeremy's first and only season on the active roster wast last season. He put up 373 yards and zero TDs. Aiken's numbers were similar: 100 less yards, but 3 more TDs, so no, Butler was not "more productive." 

you dont make any sense.

Edited March 16, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[riseNConquer81]

2 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I'm one that's usually critical of Joe when he struggles because I feel he has the ability to play smart efficient football. I was critical of joes play last year and for good reason I think. But truth must be said. It took much longer than any of us expected for this team to finally grasp trestmans scheme. From week 10 or so, the whole offense played better with a lot less. Timing finally started working and turnovers went down. this year is going to be interesting, Joe has arguably the best group of pass catchers in the NFL. Someone could be wide open on just about every play. Now let's make sure Joe stays upright and maybe get monroe some knee braces something anything to stay on the field lol

Week 10 was when Joe tore his ACL. 

Schaub came in and threw 4 picks in 2 weeks. 
Clausen started the next two weeks and threw 3 picks of his own. 
Mallet finished the last 2 weeks, and threw 2 picks against the Bengals in week 17. 

The turnovers didnt go anywhere after week 10 and the offense was still terrible. we only topped 16 points twice in those 6 weeks. 

Edited March 16, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[Halshayeji]

35 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Week 10 was when Joe tore his ACL. 

Schaub came in and threw 4 picks in 2 weeks. 
Clausen started the next two weeks and threw 3 picks of his own. 
Mallet finished the last 2 weeks, and threw 2 picks against the Bengals in week 17. 

The turnovers didnt go anywhere after week 10 and the offense was still terrible. we only topped 16 points twice in those 6 weeks. 

I remember a week where 7 of our first 9 drives we're 3 and out.

The thing that changed the most was us sustaining drives and giving our D a bit of a breather. 

Remember joe threw 2 int in his last 2 games as well.

we played against great defenses and moved the ball well enough is all I'm trying to imply. If Joe was there when the offense finally clicked he would have played much better than the way he started. 

[jravens1313]

7 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Kamar Aiken was an undrafted Free agent who hadnt done anything but visit 3 practice squads before he landed here, which makes him a "vet" by mere technicality. if you go by his actual playtime, he was a rookie for all intenets an purposes.

He got reps because he was better than everybody we had left standing. Perriman was by no means a defacto number 2, and the decision of who to plug in the lineup when Smith went down was not arbitrary, he didnt get promoted JUST because he was a "vet." If that were the case, Marlon Brown wouldve been the number 1, he's been here longer than all 3 of them and had more significant play time as well.

Jeremy's first and only season on the active roster wast last season. He put up 373 yards and zero TDs. Aiken's numbers were similar: 100 less yards, but 3 more TDs, so no, Butler was not "more productive." 

you dont make any sense.

I already explained Aiken was the longest standing VET. Therefore he became the No. 1 with injuries to Smith and Perriman. Aiken had targets in 11 games was active for 16 games in 2014. Butler was only active for 8 games had targets in every game he played. Butler was also more productive: He had a higher YPC, and higher completion percentage when targeted. And watch how Perriman just walks into the No. 2 spot above Aiken after all of his hard work and production last year. A high draft pick is given so many more opportunities to make it. You are ignoring the truth. 

[riseNConquer81]

9 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I remember a week where 7 of our first 9 drives we're 3 and out.

The thing that changed the most was us sustaining drives and giving our D a bit of a breather. 

Remember joe threw 2 int in his last 2 games as well.

we played against great defenses and moved the ball well enough is all I'm trying to imply. If Joe was there when the offense finally clicked he would have played much better than the way he started. 

the offense didnt really click. We just drew some equally bad opponents. sort of made things look like they were better.
Cleveland and Miami were train wrecks and we still gave the ball up. beat the Browns on a walk off FG block. 

Steelers secondary is a disaster. 

The Bengals, Chiefs, and Seahawks blew us out liek you'd expect them to.
The personnel still matters. That's why we scored less when we lost Forsett and Smith Senior. 
That's why we started averaging two picks a week when Joe went on IR. 

[riseNConquer81]

3 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

I already explained Aiken was the longest standing VET. Therefore he became the No. 1 with injuries to Smith and Perriman. Aiken had targets in 11 games was active for 16 games in 2014. Butler was only active for 8 games had targets in every game he played. Butler was also more productive: He had a higher YPC, and higher completion percentage when targeted. And watch how Perriman just walks into the No. 2 spot above Aiken after all of his hard work and production last year. A high draft pick is given so many more opportunities to make it. You are ignoring the truth. 

no, you attempted to explain that he only got the job BECAUSE he was the supposed "vet," which isnt true.

Perriman is still a rookie who hadnt taken a snap, he doesnt have anything to do with it.

None of those numbers means Butler was not more productive. All you're saying is that he ws productive in a different way. 
If one guy catches 5 balls for 100 yards and a Touchdown and another catches 2 for the same yardage and TD, then the two of them are equally productive as the product of their work was 100 yards and 1 TD each.
all you're saying is that Butler caught longer passes than Aiken...which is irrelevant.
Aiken was still the more productive receiver.

Perriman is not a number 2 right now, and with Wallace here, he might not even been number 3 if he doesnt show something in training camp because Aiken is so productive and vastly improved. 

Im not ignoring THE truth, I'm ignoring YOUR truth, because your truth is fictional nonsense. 

THE truth is:
Matt Elam is a first round pick and has yet to see the top of the depth chart. 
Jimmy Smith was behind practice squad and special teams players (Cary Williams, Corey Graham) for numerous years. 
Courtney Upshaw was a second round pick and has spent his whole career in a timeshare or behind somebody else. 
Terrance Cody was a second round pick and was a career backup. 
Torrey Smith got drafted in the second round and started his career behind Lee Evans, who is terrible. 
Arthur Brown was a second round pick and has been on the bubble every season since he got here, he doesnt even play in sub packages. He's behind Zach Orr, who didnt get drafted at all.

need i go on? 

Edited March 16, 2016 by riseNConquer81