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[Winchester]

14 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

Hmmm.  So we still sign Wallace and Weddle if things had gone the way you wanted?  Okay, cutting Webb Monroe, Lewis, and Elam equal about the same cap savings as the cap hits Wallace and Weddle are taking combined, so that's a wash.

Of course you've now cut 3 players that are currently safeties on the team, Hill would either be off the team or suspended 10 games, and Trawick is gone so you have 2 safeties on the roster (Brooks and Weddle), you don't have a LT at all, and you'd have to explain where you found the money for KO, the guy who just received the 4th highest O-lineman salary in the league, and Leon Hall.  Also, trading Dumervil last season, as you've said a lot, was only a 1M cap savings if I recall.  

So you have 1 extra million, no pass rushering OLB except the one coming off an achilles tear, 2 total safeties, no LT, and you're somehow going to find a way to come up with at least another 10M in cap space to sign KO and Hall.  

It is called drafting one!! Will need to anyways!! But I'm sure you think Dumervil has 2-3 more double digit seasons left in him!! Downright comical you count Elam and Lewis as having safety's.lmao And didn't KO play left tackle?? How is it this sight attracts so many Homers?? Because when I talk to normal rational people every day it is nearly unanimous Suggs and Dumervil are done as impact edge rushers. It is only you Homers that get your panties in a wad over trading Dumervil because you all  think he is going to be instrumental in a winning season.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Winchester

[arnie_uk]

 paragraphs please

[ravensdan]

9 hours ago, Winchester said:

It is called drafting one!! Will need to anyways!! But I'm sure you think Dumervil has 2-3 more double digit seasons left in him!! Downright comical you count Elam and Lewis as having safety's.lmao And didn't KO play left tackle?? How is it this sight attracts so many Homers?? Because when I talk to normal rational people every day it is nearly unanimous Suggs and Dumervil are done as impact edge rushers. It is only you Homers that get your panties in a wad over trading Dumervil because you all  think he is going to be instrumental in a winning season.

I don't think doom is a guy you want to trade. The return on the trade are not what you get from him production wise. What is needed is a young rusher that can learn technique and rotate with doom. Letting McPhee go was the biggest mistake I think we've made recently. It seems to be taking young rushers 2-3 seasons of transition increasing snaps. Plus I still believe you want quantity and quality across the Dline to keep them all fresh. Best way to have the greatest impact on your opponent. Greatest keys to success. Dline, QB, oline. 101. 

[Winchester]

16 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I don't think doom is a guy you want to trade. The return on the trade are not what you get from him production wise. What is needed is a young rusher that can learn technique and rotate with doom. Letting McPhee go was the biggest mistake I think we've made recently. It seems to be taking young rushers 2-3 seasons of transition increasing snaps. Plus I still believe you want quantity and quality across the Dline to keep them all fresh. Best way to have the greatest impact on your opponent. Greatest keys to success. Dline, QB, oline. 101. 

Your probably right about his return on a trade. But this previous at the trade marker I'm sure a team making a push would of traded a round 3 pick for edge rush help. Andvi think an additional round3 pick would really help the ravens build a young talented team for upcoming seasons that can compete with upwardly mobile teams like raiders and jags that are stockpiling young talent. And even the patsies have young talent and continue to reload. As much as I hate to lose to them I admire the vision and innovativeness and  the bravery to make trades like Chandler Jones. I like the idea of getting something for a player as opposed to watching him walk off and get nothing but a comp pick that is usually pick96 and later and will not come til 2 drafts later. Or get something in return for a declining player or a player about to decline. The patsies have decided to give the extension to Jamie Collins who I wanted the ravens to get and in my opinion Will be a defensive player of year candidate. And is right there with young talent like Khalil Mack and Justin Houston. Anyways I get your point but I'm in favor of building young talent. So in the event this ravens veteran signing movement flops there will be lots of young up and coming talent to look forward to.

[MTRavensFan]

Building new talent doesn't mean instantly starting 3 or 4 of this year's draft picks. That is recipe for disaster.

Not sure about this signinge, but Wallace is growing on me.

[usmccharles]

We should cut/trade everyone over 30 so that way we can bring in guys like Brian quick,  Percy Harvin,  camp can be our number 1 WR.   If Oz can't draft starting replacements for all positions right away he needs to go,  we need more alpha males...

 

Smh..

[GrimCoconut]

I don't mind the move. Seems pretty low risk to me. If Wallace does well we can keep him, which may be good because Smith Sr is almost certainly on his last leg (literally) and Aiken may or may not be re-signed. Hopefully Wallace and Perriman make next offseason easy for us.

[Deflated Football]

13 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't mind the move. Seems pretty low risk to me. If Wallace does well we can keep him, which may be good because Smith Sr is almost certainly on his last leg (literally) and Aiken may or may not be re-signed. Hopefully Wallace and Perriman make next offseason easy for us.

BP and Wallace would be a nice foundation going forward to build around when SSS retires. Not sure what will happen with Aiken though he's proved me wrong. Finally we have some youthful options at WR look forward too in the near future.

[Virginia 55]

I love this signing! This is exactly what a big arm QB needs to be successful. Now we have two speedsters. If waller can prove that he can make the transition to tight end and we get a better running back and a young pass rusher ill be happy. 

 

Mike Wallace is a proven talent at the position.  Now the learning curve doesn't have to be so high for BP. 

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

Building new talent doesn't mean instantly starting 3 or 4 of this year's draft picks. That is recipe for disaster.

Not sure about this signinge, but Wallace is growing on me.

I have hopes for Wallace as well. But letting a team get old is a recipe for disaster as well. There may be a learning curve for young players but at least the team would look optimistic for the following year. When an old team flops you are stuck with paying useless veterans, no cap space and little young talent. And are stuck with a young rebuilding process with  all of that to overcome. And there are definitely no guarantees with this team of aging vets coming off bad years.

[JoeyFlex5]

Perriman and Wallace with a strong TE group is a very solid foundation moving forward. We have 2 starting caliber TEs who can block and catch at a high level and are mismatches anywhere and are still on rookie contracts. We have essentially a rookie who is big and physical and can make the circus catch and can outrun most db's in the league along with a veteran deep threat who knows how to compete at an NFL level, all this with a rocket arm qb. 

 

Make no mistakes. Speed and size is now the identity of our offense, only one of our 6 primary targets isn't a big bodied physical player, and 2 of our top 3 receivers are stupidly fast. We don't need a possession wr because of our TEs, they're a better security blanket and mismatch than any slot guy I can think of.

[ravensdan]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Your probably right about his return on a trade. But this previous at the trade marker I'm sure a team making a push would of traded a round 3 pick for edge rush help. Andvi think an additional round3 pick would really help the ravens build a young talented team for upcoming seasons that can compete with upwardly mobile teams like raiders and jags that are stockpiling young talent. And even the patsies have young talent and continue to reload. As much as I hate to lose to them I admire the vision and innovativeness and  the bravery to make trades like Chandler Jones. I like the idea of getting something for a player as opposed to watching him walk off and get nothing but a comp pick that is usually pick96 and later and will not come til 2 drafts later. Or get something in return for a declining player or a player about to decline. The patsies have decided to give the extension to Jamie Collins who I wanted the ravens to get and in my opinion Will be a defensive player of year candidate. And is right there with young talent like Khalil Mack and Justin Houston. Anyways I get your point but I'm in favor of building young talent. So in the event this ravens veteran signing movement flops there will be lots of young up and coming talent to look forward to.

I think the patriots exceptional coaching covers up for poor offseason moves. Many of their draft picks and free agent moves flop but the coaches (and Brady) get the most out of many times sub par players. Collins for example has thrived in the role the pats put him in but he was evaluated as an edge player I believe coming out. I think talent wise I would have kept jones and let Hightower go but there are likely other factors involved. 

The Ravens have done this as well with Boldin or Ngata. I wish they had moved up from their rd 2 pick to grab Preston Smith the perfect player for this team. But they can atone with a Bosa pick. 

[flynismo]

On 3/19/2016 at 1:08 AM, Winchester said:

Here is the deal with Mike Wallace........He has top shelf ball tracking skills

Above all else, what was the thing that held back Torrey the most? His complete inability to track a ball, which has led some misguided souls here to believe that Flacco's deep ball is overrated.

Wallace and Torrey have been the games two best deep threats over the past five years; the difference being that Wallace had a QB that allowed him to play to his potential; Torrey had a QB that succeeded in making Torrey look better than he is despite Torrey's many limitations.

If Wallace has anything left in the tank, he is going to have a monstrous season in relation to the opportunities he is given.

[ALPHA]

On 3/16/2016 at 3:01 AM, Winchester said:

You are wrong and biased. Before Quicks injury last year he was coming on with a string of good games. And that was with really crappy QB play!! He is known as a good worker andvruns very fast and shifty routes for avbig guy. Elusive for a 6'4 220lb receiver as well. Arguably the worst QB in the league he was having good games with. And it was his first legit injury. It is not like he has a history. And the dude has ridiculous ball skills and coordination. It is the kinda guy that can really breakout with a good qb and outplay his contract. I would bet you  think Perriman will rebound from his injury. And i critique Monroe for being overrated and not really caring about the game. And Weddle for losing a step or so. And Jimmy I critique for being erratic inconsistent injury or not.(although I do hope he performs well)  it is about finding players than can breakout with ravens.

You can say Quick has potential but in 4 seasons he hasn't lived up to his draft status, that's not a biased opinion that's what happened. Saying Monroe doesn't care about the game is a biased opinion.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

You can say Quick has potential but in 4 seasons he hasn't lived up to his draft status, that's not a biased opinion that's what happened. Saying Monroe doesn't care about the game is a biased opinion.

The fact that he even brings up TO and Quick in the same sentence says all you need to know man.  

This Wallace singing has me stoked. 

Edited March 20, 2016 by usmccharles

[berad]

If Wallace is a one-trick pony, Harvin is a quarter-trick mule. You literally have to concoct plays for him to get marginal production. Other players work within and expand the offense. Harvin seems more likely to shrink the playbook and you would need to limit his snaps to run your actual offense, like other teams have.

[Purple_City39]

On 3/19/2016 at 1:13 AM, Winchester said:

It is called drafting one!! Will need to anyways!! But I'm sure you think Dumervil has 2-3 more double digit seasons left in him!! Downright comical you count Elam and Lewis as having safety's.lmao And didn't KO play left tackle?? How is it this sight attracts so many Homers?? Because when I talk to normal rational people every day it is nearly unanimous Suggs and Dumervil are done as impact edge rushers. It is only you Homers that get your panties in a wad over trading Dumervil because you all  think he is going to be instrumental in a winning season.

No, it's "homers" that think the idea of trading Dumervil in 2015 is stupid because of the thing called the salary cap.  I don't know how many years he last left and never claimed to.  Plus trading away your only remaining pass rusher after losing your other one for the season just doesn't equal a smart decision any way you look at it......well, any way most look at it

And yes, KO's 4 games at LT means he was going to consistently play great there.  He is a mauler after all and that's what you need at LT.......oh wait, not it's not.  

And someone agreeing with you doesn't make them rational when you have some of the most irrational views.  Keeping patting your own back all you want

Edited March 21, 2016 by Purple_City39