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[Winchester]

19 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

And in most Ravens fans and obviously the FO, views these as good moves.  Im not a huge fan of Watson signing but I understand it, we have only Max ready to play week one, no point going out and getting another young TE when Gilmore and Boyle will be back.  Watson can come in and produce right away. 

So you must of been very upset when we signed Boldin and SSr, because their prime was/is behind them....righttttt

I would love to hear what you would have done instead, yes we know, you would of gave KO 13mill.  But Harvin/Quick over Wallace is just laughable, now if we brought Quick/Harvin in and Wallace I wouldn't complain.  Harvin should only be a KR/PR- there is potential there. 

Raiders and Jags have been picking top ten for years, I would hope they are building something nice, which they are, ive been on record saying that they bother are doing great things, they both also had over 70million in cap space because they haven't had any quality players to pay.  Watch what happens when they need to pay Carr, Cooper, Mack....

If only we could have a roster like Camp, Quick, Harvin...so much explosion... and about 400 missed games. 

Punctuation.....for the love of god, someday.

 

I like SS just not as the only receiver the ravens brought in. I would be happy if Quick or Harvin was added with Wallace. I do not mind declining vets but not as the only options!! Just have to add some talented potential breakout players in there as well. SS and Weddle recently got injury bugs but Ozzie is fascinated with old declining players!! It is getting ridiculous!! A question, what are you going to say when the ravens begin losing most of their games?? What will you say about Ozzie signing all these washed ups then?? 

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I like SS just not as the only receiver the ravens brought in. I would be happy if Quick or Harvin was added with Wallace. I do not mind declining vets but not as the only options!! Just have to add some talented potential breakout players in there as well. SS and Weddle recently got injury bugs but Ozzie is fascinated with old declining players!! It is getting ridiculous!! A question, what are you going to say when the ravens begin losing most of their games?? What will you say about Ozzie signing all these washed ups then?? 

If we have another terrible season it depends on what has happened to push it that way, many variables to consider. 

If Wallace comes in and gets hurt, bad luck.  If our first round draft pick gets hurt, bad luck.  Im not expecting Wallace to come in and go for 1100 yards and 10 TDs, I wouldn't mind it of course.  I just see nothing wrong with bringing him in, excited actually.

I have criticized Oz for waiting to draft Torrey's replacement until the year we need him, that was a mistake.  He went out and got a WR that can be just as good as Torrey with a higher ceiling, I wasn't completely thrilled with the pick but I liked the upside. 

What are you going to say if we make the playoffs next year?  And im assuming you will switch teams like you previously stated if we have another losing season.  What would you have done this off season so far?  Re-sign KO ...boom done with all of FA basically, but he's an alpha male and nasty,,,, SB bound right?  

Edited March 16, 2016 by usmccharles

[MrDelDante]

These signings smack of 'Win now'.

We're going for a Superbowl guys, get ready for the ride.

[ALPHA]

10 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I like SS just not as the only receiver the ravens brought in. I would be happy if Quick or Harvin was added with Wallace. I do not mind declining vets but not as the only options!! Just have to add some talented potential breakout players in there as well. SS and Weddle recently got injury bugs but Ozzie is fascinated with old declining players!! It is getting ridiculous!! A question, what are you going to say when the ravens begin losing most of their games?? What will you say about Ozzie signing all these washed ups then?? 

I'm all for younger players but Quick has never produced and Harvin is only good for 5 games a year, both of those guys are regularly banged up yet you like to criticize Monroe and Weddle and Smith for not staying healthy.

[usmccharles]

Just now, ALPHA said:

I'm all for younger players but Quick has never produced and Harvin is only good for 5 games a year, both of those guys are regularly banged up yet you like to criticize Monroe and Weddle and Smith for not staying healthy.

But Quick and Harvin have explosion!

[jazz1988]

19 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

In my opinion Aiken will not repeat. And SS will not be the same at 37 coming off an Achilles injury. Wallace was thrown away like unwanted trash by the Vikings. Perriman is unproven as well. That group of weapons is no reason to get excited. Even if he can run sub 4.4 these days there is no go to guy

 

Wallace cap hit would have been 11 million if The Vikings had not cut him. The Vikings wanted Wallace back according to reports  but Wallace was never really a good fit for their offense or quarterback but I guess they still respected his speed. It's also  too early to say that there is no go to guy on this offense. Right now we  know Flacco loves Steve Smith and I would not be surprised if Smith is just as good as last year because the guy has a great work ethic and he loves proving people wrong.

 

Looking at this year free agency I really don't see many go to guys at all but they were some play makers and Wallace was one of the best for The Ravens.

 

 

Edited March 17, 2016 by jazz1988

[PolishRifle]

4 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

In my opinion Aiken will not repeat. And SS will not be the same at 37 coming off an Achilles injury. Wallace was thrown away like unwanted trash by the Vikings. Perriman is unproven as well. That group of weapons is no reason to get excited. Even if he can run sub 4.4 these days there is no go to guy

Your post is a bit harsh, but there is something to it. Did we really change our offseason strategy to previous years, when it comes to adressing the WR position? We're still filling the roster up with ageing veterans and roleplayers. Our WR corps is better than last years, but our group was horrible, so that's not that big of a deal. We basically just had Aiken. I can already tell, that we'll pick a WR late and this year I wouldn't even have any right to complain, since this years WR prospects are not that great. Unless Perriman, who is for now just a workour warrior, who lit it up during his proday, turns out to be a star, our group is kind of mediocre.

[usmccharles]

Another man's trash is another man's treasure. ... 

[Raven07]

really getting excited about this season. the moves we're making show the team wants this team back in the race and hoisting Lombardi's. Weddle. Watson. now Wallace? we're looking to make up for lost time in a big way. Wallace in the right system is a blow the top off burner deep threat and a real machine that plagued us during his time in Steel city. Wallace alongside the likes of another burner in Perriman? and possession WR Steve Smith ? with Watson and Camp/boyle working the middle? we have a force to be reckoned with. we want big play ability, we want chunks of yards in which we lacked last season. I think this years offense will be a force all around. in moving those chains. big time.

[AsianRice]

Finally, Joe has some toys to play with....really excited....

 

Now, we go work on our defense through the draft......we might pick up 1 or 2 vets for the defensive side......

 

Our first pick gonna be defensive player......

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, ALPHA said:

I'm all for younger players but Quick has never produced and Harvin is only good for 5 games a year, both of those guys are regularly banged up yet you like to criticize Monroe and Weddle and Smith for not staying healthy.

You are wrong and biased. Before Quicks injury last year he was coming on with a string of good games. And that was with really crappy QB play!! He is known as a good worker andvruns very fast and shifty routes for avbig guy. Elusive for a 6'4 220lb receiver as well. Arguably the worst QB in the league he was having good games with. And it was his first legit injury. It is not like he has a history. And the dude has ridiculous ball skills and coordination. It is the kinda guy that can really breakout with a good qb and outplay his contract. I would bet you  think Perriman will rebound from his injury. And i critique Monroe for being overrated and not really caring about the game. And Weddle for losing a step or so. And Jimmy I critique for being erratic inconsistent injury or not.(although I do hope he performs well)  it is about finding players than can breakout with ravens.

[Winchester]

52 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

Finally, Joe has some toys to play with....really excited....

 

Now, we go work on our defense through the draft......we might pick up 1 or 2 vets for the defensive side......

 

Our first pick gonna be defensive player......

The offense is far from being a sure thing. It has lot to prove

Edited March 16, 2016 by Winchester

[JoeyFlex5]

In torreys rookie year, He was the only burner on the team, we saw what a huge difference his presence made for the rest of our offense. 

 

With perriman and wallace, we have lethal speed on each sideline. And I do believe that both of them are better than torrey, better catchers, better trackers of the ball, less straight line and more sudden, more physical, and more tenacious. Torrey Smith has always been to me, a poor man's Mike wallace, I said it when he was in the team. With these 2 on the perimeter, our TEs will face linebackers on most snaps, our slot receivers will always have single coverage, our rb will have wide open zones to catch in because there will always be a guy who NEEDS to man cover and our backs can capitalize, and in the rare event that we don't see this look, that means a safety is playing shallow and we know how flacco reacts when he sees these opportunities, it WILL result in touchdowns. This offense needs speed to work and Damn if we don't have speed AND the complementary pieces.

[codizzle]

13 hours ago, 1/28/01 said:

The quarterback that controls most of the success of a receiver?  Yes.  Just hoping for a great connection between Wallace and Flacco.  Is that a bad thing? 

I was just joking about what you said

 

i know your issue with him and agree with you for the most part 

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

In torreys rookie year, He was the only burner on the team, we saw what a huge difference his presence made for the rest of our offense. 

 

With perriman and wallace, we have lethal speed on each sideline. And I do believe that both of them are better than torrey, better catchers, better trackers of the ball, less straight line and more sudden, more physical, and more tenacious. Torrey Smith has always been to me, a poor man's Mike wallace, I said it when he was in the team. With these 2 on the perimeter, our TEs will face linebackers on most snaps, our slot receivers will always have single coverage, our rb will have wide open zones to catch in because there will always be a guy who NEEDS to man cover and our backs can capitalize, and in the rare event that we don't see this look, that means a safety is playing shallow and we know how flacco reacts when he sees these opportunities, it WILL result in touchdowns. This offense needs speed to work and Damn if we don't have speed AND the complementary pieces.

As long as people stay healthy *knocks on wood*

[JohnnyBoy8102]

I like this deal. Wallace still has some deep speed left in the tank and will allow the offense to run better like it did when Torrey was here. 

[omar586]

21 hours ago, The Raven said:

Why the hell is everyone so worried about oline? We were top three in sacks allowed and top 12 in hits allowed - even with Hurst playing so much. Pass protection was not a significant issue. I realize that public opinion has soured on Monroe, but we really aren't that bad. It'd be nice to have a quality backup at LT, but quality backups at LT are practically a myth. It wouldn't serve us well to use our top six pick on a LT that might not be a day one starter, when we do have a LT locked up.

There are more needs than LT - secondary, pass rush, and yes, receiver - that our top pick should be used for, especially with the OL coach we have. I won't be disappointed if we get Tunsil - I love the guy - but then you have a question: How do you justify benching a Top 6 LT, and how do you justify benching a guy with a franchise LT salary? If it's up to me, we're getting a LT in the 3rd of 4th, as well as some interior guys in the mid to late rounds.

yeah, but u dont want your $100 mill + QB to get hurt again. games won in the trenches. we need Guard and Tackle for depth, 

[The Raven]

21 hours ago, omar586 said:

yeah, but u dont want your $100 mill + QB to get hurt again. games won in the trenches. we need Guard and Tackle for depth, 

Flacco's injury was a freak play. Yes, game won in trenches. I am well aware of that. Yes, need depth. But we were a top ten offensive line in pass protection. Flacco getting hurt doesn't mean we had a terrible offensive line. I mean, Flacco has had healthy years behind exponentially worse offensive lines. Not many teams had better pass blocking than we did, plain and simple. 

Only one position would be changing from our initial starting line last season, and it's left guard, which is the least important position on the line and the easiest to replace. We do need depth but you don't spend a top 10 pick on a guy that might not start day one. You don't draft a guy at 6th to be depth. I'm not against LT at 6, but I'd rather us address a more pressing need at that spot.

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 3/16/2016 at 0:17 PM, AsianRice said:

Finally, Joe has some toys to play with....really excited....

 

Now, we go work on our defense through the draft......we might pick up 1 or 2 vets for the defensive side......

 

Our first pick gonna be defensive player......

I wonder how fast people are going to turn on our new 2016 WR drafts, Perrimen, Mike Wallace, our young TEs, Ben Watson, and of course Steve Smith Sr. when Joe is doing the same thing being mediocre and making terrible plays on field.   

There's always exception to the rule.   Everyone but Joe can be outright horrendous and get paid monster money and give them a reason every year.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

I wonder how fast people are going to turn on our new 2016 WR drafts, Perrimen, Mike Wallace, our young TEs, Ben Watson, and of course Steve Smith Sr. when Joe is doing the same thing being mediocre and making terrible plays on field.   

There's always exception to the rule.   Everyone but Joe can be outright horrendous and get paid monster money and give them a reason every year.

I.... Nevermind...

[Winchester]

On 3/16/2016 at 4:52 AM, usmccharles said:

If we have another terrible season it depends on what has happened to push it that way, many variables to consider. 

If Wallace comes in and gets hurt, bad luck.  If our first round draft pick gets hurt, bad luck.  Im not expecting Wallace to come in and go for 1100 yards and 10 TDs, I wouldn't mind it of course.  I just see nothing wrong with bringing him in, excited actually.

I have criticized Oz for waiting to draft Torrey's replacement until the year we need him, that was a mistake.  He went out and got a WR that can be just as good as Torrey with a higher ceiling, I wasn't completely thrilled with the pick but I liked the upside. 

What are you going to say if we make the playoffs next year?  And im assuming you will switch teams like you previously stated if we have another losing season.  What would you have done this off season so far?  Re-sign KO ...boom done with all of FA basically, but he's an alpha male and nasty,,,, SB bound right?  

 

No, after resigning KO would of cut Forsett. Even if he is an upgrade over Buck it is not $3mil of upgrade!! Then cut Webb Monroe Lewis and Elam to make some free agent signings. Then try to trade Dumervil but that ship sailed at regular season trade line. In free agency would of considered younger players with potential. Definitely Leon Hall for free safety. He is the prototype cornerback to safety conversion. Big fast physical good tackler and played zone coverage very well when Bengals played cover2 after losing Joseph to free agency. Team Hall and Weddle up for a great tandem that can cover and tackle. I actually like the Wallace signing now as insurance for Perriman. Somebody texted me an incident today at Vikings practice. He was supposed to go deep, Bridgewater threw it late so Wallace instinctively worked back for the ball cuz QB missed the window to go deep.well stpid Teddy went deep anyways.lol but looked as if he would escape the pick cuz he overthrew everybody. Harrison got an angle and 10+ yards deeper as did the cornerback. Wallace turned on the jets and made up yards flew by the cornerback that was going for the pick and caught up to the ball and took it from harrison smith and scored for the only score Harrison gave up in practice or games all season. So obviously Mike Wallace still has blazing speed and ball tracking skills. Would still like to not signed quick. He is a sudden and shifty route runner for a big receiver and elusive after the catch for a big guy. Whenever his name comes up I hear him compared to the same guy over and over. T.O. for how big and sudden and shifty he is with jump ball coordination. I'm actually a little excited for Wallace. Just still need a go to guy midrange throws.

[Purple_City39]

10 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

No, after resigning KO would of cut Forsett. Even if he is an upgrade over Buck it is not $3mil of upgrade!! Then cut Webb Monroe Lewis and Elam to make some free agent signings. Then try to trade Dumervil but that ship sailed at regular season trade line. In free agency would of considered younger players with potential. Definitely Leon Hall for free safety. He is the prototype cornerback to safety conversion. Big fast physical good tackler and played zone coverage very well when Bengals played cover2 after losing Joseph to free agency. Team Hall and Weddle up for a great tandem that can cover and tackle. I actually like the Wallace signing now as insurance for Perriman. Somebody texted me an incident today at Vikings practice. He was supposed to go deep, Bridgewater threw it late so Wallace instinctively worked back for the ball cuz QB missed the window to go deep.well stpid Teddy went deep anyways.lol but looked as if he would escape the pick cuz he overthrew everybody. Harrison got an angle and 10+ yards deeper as did the cornerback. Wallace turned on the jets and made up yards flew by the cornerback that was going for the pick and caught up to the ball and took it from harrison smith and scored for the only score Harrison gave up in practice or games all season. So obviously Mike Wallace still has blazing speed and ball tracking skills. Would still like to not signed quick. He is a sudden and shifty route runner for a big receiver and elusive after the catch for a big guy. Whenever his name comes up I hear him compared to the same guy over and over. T.O. for how big and sudden and shifty he is with jump ball coordination. I'm actually a little excited for Wallace. Just still need a go to guy midrange throws.

Hmmm.  So we still sign Wallace and Weddle if things had gone the way you wanted?  Okay, cutting Webb Monroe, Lewis, and Elam equal about the same cap savings as the cap hits Wallace and Weddle are taking combined, so that's a wash.

Of course you've now cut 3 players that are currently safeties on the team, Hill would either be off the team or suspended 10 games, and Trawick is gone so you have 2 safeties on the roster (Brooks and Weddle), you don't have a LT at all, and you'd have to explain where you found the money for KO, the guy who just received the 4th highest O-lineman salary in the league, and Leon Hall.  Also, trading Dumervil last season, as you've said a lot, was only a 1M cap savings if I recall.  

So you have 1 extra million, no pass rushering OLB except the one coming off an achilles tear, 2 total safeties, no LT, and you're somehow going to find a way to come up with at least another 10M in cap space to sign KO and Hall.  

[443hurricane]

I am going on RECORD just like Eugene Monroe. Mike Wallace will bust out here and this should be his final stop before he retires.

 

Mike Wallace is a cancer. He was in Miami and Minnesota.

 

No thanks

[Deflated Football]

Everyone making a huge deal about Wallace's comment on how he needed a good QB is laughable. The folks complaining took it out of context and they're probably the same ones that have always said Flacco sucks. I can't wait for Wallace to fly by DB's on his way to a TD. Stephen A. Smith said he's going to watch him every week from now on so Wallace can prove that it was QB play and not him diminishing in talent. He's oblivious to the fact that Tannehill and Teddy have noodle-arms. Prove them wrong MW!!!

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

I am going on RECORD just like Eugene Monroe. Mike Wallace will bust out here and this should be his final stop before he retires.

 

Mike Wallace is a cancer. He was in Miami and Minnesota.

 

No thanks

He wasn't a cancer. Don't propagate nonsense. He was very well liked in MN and behaved like a model player. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

Hmmm.  So we still sign Wallace and Weddle if things had gone the way you wanted?  Okay, cutting Webb Monroe, Lewis, and Elam equal about the same cap savings as the cap hits Wallace and Weddle are taking combined, so that's a wash.

Of course you've now cut 3 players that are currently safeties on the team, Hill would either be off the team or suspended 10 games, and Trawick is gone so you have 2 safeties on the roster (Brooks and Weddle), you don't have a LT at all, and you'd have to explain where you found the money for KO, the guy who just received the 4th highest O-lineman salary in the league, and Leon Hall.  Also, trading Dumervil last season, as you've said a lot, was only a 1M cap savings if I recall.  

So you have 1 extra million, no pass rushering OLB except the one coming off an achilles tear, 2 total safeties, no LT, and you're somehow going to find a way to come up with at least another 10M in cap space to sign KO and Hall.  

Shhhhh... dont let reality get in the way of such a fantastic and overly complicated roster overhaul.

Why complicate things further with silly things like salary caps and roster depth? Homer... you dont have what it takes to be an Alpha Male.

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

I am going on RECORD just like Eugene Monroe. Mike Wallace will bust out here and this should be his final stop before he retires.

 

Mike Wallace is a cancer. He was in Miami and Minnesota.

 

No thanks

Minn fans said Wallace was a class act and great guy. Team mates loved him.

Even with his down last year included, hes averaged 60 catches, 750 yards and 6 TDs over the last 3 seasons... and that was with him being misused and without a QB that could really take advantage of his talent. 

I'll take that all day from our 3rd or 4th WR whose speed will open up the field and also make everyone else better around him. 

[Underdogsontop!]

I wonder what number Wallace will take?? Can't imagine Kamar Aiken giving up #11 

[DomMcRaven]

3 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Everyone making a huge deal about Wallace's comment on how he needed a good QB is laughable. The folks complaining took it out of context and they're probably the same ones that have always said Flacco sucks. I can't wait for Wallace to fly by DB's on his way to a TD. Stephen A. Smith said he's going to watch him every week from now on so Wallace can prove that it was QB play and not him diminishing in talent. He's oblivious to the fact that Tannehill and Teddy have noodle-arms. Prove them wrong MW!!!

Mmhmm. I saw that on First Take as well. I just hope Stephen A. picks against us. He's a jinx as of late. 

[Winchester]

Here is the deal with Mike Wallace. I really want to like him. Andvi mean really like him. I do not mean adequate production I mean difference maker. So I asked cuz I really do want to like him. But I get no definite answer about Mike Wallace. But this will have to do. Great speed and acceleration. Tell me something I don't know!! He has top shelf ball tracking skills and he wants to be a great and more complete receiver. It is his goal since his time with the Steelers. And he is a great worker. However Wallace has trouble putting it all together the way his former teammate has. He worked with brown and Chad Johnson on route running and route quicks. He got away from itbthe last couple yrs however. But he is more determined than ever to be a complete receiver as in somebody that can  win in traffic at the intermediate level on a consistent basis and somebody that can catch 10-12 throws a game. It has eluded him in previous attempts.  But he is going to really attack it this offseason and try some new things and training techniques with Brown again this offseason. He is going to use Browns training techniques for better agility and suddenness in his routes as well as practice adjusting routes in traffic and attacking the throw in traffic. Wallace feels like with the way the opposition fears his big play speed if he can become more sudden and consistent\dangerous at the intermediate level it will take his game to a different level. And put him with the Elite in the game like his good friend and former teammate Antonio Brown. Just speculation but he could even join in with new teammate Campanaro and all the new age cutting edge training and nutrition techniques. With Wallace frantically OBSESSED  to prove his detractors wrong, I'm sure what Campanaro is doing will peak his Interest!! Wallace is getting with some college cornerbacks to work on his intermediate routes in traffic. It remains to be seen but WOW!! If Wallace can add a possession element to his game with his game breaking speed and ball tracking skills\competetiveness he help ravens offense reach elite status.