2016 Draft trade partners.

[L.A.Ravens]

We have to keep and pick a impact player at pick 6 in the first round. The question I have is for us to trade back into the 20's for another prospect. Bleacher Report said for the Ravens to trade back into the first for the 22nd pick (Houston) it would take our first 4th round pick and our 2nd. I'm a die hard Ravens fan and know everything about the team and of course the division and rivals except I don't know much for the Redskins rivalry. The redskins pick at 21 would they be a possible trade partner or would they give us the shaft like the bengals or steelers?

[Jaybirds]

I get the feeling I'm going to have to count up all the guys I'd be happy with in the second round, and see if there's enough to show how there isn't really a difference between picking 22nd and 36.  I'm really hoping other people will just agree with me and save me the time.   Because really, there's no difference between picking 22nd and 36th.  Considering how bad we're supposed to be at picking first round guys, it's weird how many people want to pick first round guys.  I also think we're going to get someone good with that 4th pick. 

In short:  I hope we don't resort to this. 

[L.A.Ravens]

In the latest mock draft I saw has treadwell going 21st to the redskins that's why I brought it up it would be awesome to pick him up but not with our first pick and diff not at 6.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

In the latest mock draft I saw has treadwell going 21st to the redskins that's why I brought it up it would be awesome to pick him up but not with our first pick and diff not at 6.

i mocked that a while back lol.

[D-Rey]

3 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

In the latest mock draft I saw has treadwell going 21st to the redskins that's why I brought it up it would be awesome to pick him up but not with our first pick and diff not at 6.

I'd honestly rather have Doctson.

[JoeyFlex5]

Lol I feel like some people neg posts for the Hell

[harfordravenfan]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol I feel like some people neg posts for the Hell

Not that it bugs too many but i evened out the negs (why not... lol) 

If the right guy was there it'd be nice (especially getting the fifth yr option) but really see plenty of talent at the top of the 2nd

[Edgar]

If there was a player falling who they liked a lot, I would think they would have to give up a fourth round pick. Easy decision, especially in this draft.

[RaineV1]

10 hours ago, Jaybirds said:

I get the feeling I'm going to have to count up all the guys I'd be happy with in the second round, and see if there's enough to show how there isn't really a difference between picking 22nd and 36.  I'm really hoping other people will just agree with me and save me the time.   Because really, there's no difference between picking 22nd and 36th.  Considering how bad we're supposed to be at picking first round guys, it's weird how many people want to pick first round guys.  I also think we're going to get someone good with that 4th pick. 

In short:  I hope we don't resort to this. 

Yes, no difference... except for the players that go between those picks, especially if there's a specific player you want.

[ellicottraven]

Here is a hypothetical draft day scenario that could play out: Prior to the draft, the Browns trade for Kaepernik with the Niners. The Niners are seeking a second round pick (at least with Denver as I understand it). The Browns obviously have better ammunition to offer the Niners to make the deal happen. If that does, Cleveland is out of the QB market and may end up picking Ramsey or Bosa with their 2nd. This scenario will likely leave us with either Stanley or VH3 as options because the top 5 defensive blue chippers will likely be taken ahead of us (assuming Tunsil is taken #1).

However, Philly's trade with Miami presents them with an opportunity to pick 1 of either Wentz or Goff at #8 with SF picking the best available QB in the draft. This could be helpful for us if there was a team willing to trade up with us to take the best available QB prior to SF or Philly. It just depends on how much that team is willing to give up or if we think our options at #6 are not good enough to stay at that spot. It will be a very interesting draft day indeed if my hypothesis is borne out.

[RavensDieHard21]

Depending on scenarios and who we don't think will last until pick 36. If we take Hargreaves, then I wouldn't mind moving up to get Floyd or Dodd because there latest selections will be by Carolina I feel. If we took Jack, Bosa, or Buckner, I'd slide back in for Alexander  or Apple who will not survive the CB needy teams in the 20s such as Pitt, KC, Carolina, etc. outside of that or another freak faller, I'd stay put.

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol I feel like some people neg posts for the Hell

I just negged you for fun! I agree it gets ridiculous with the negging. I'll upvote you after you see it!!!

[RavensDieHard21]

15 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Here is a hypothetical draft day scenario that could play out: Prior to the draft, the Browns trade for Kaepernik with the Niners. The Niners are seeking a second round pick (at least with Denver as I understand it). The Browns obviously have better ammunition to offer the Niners to make the deal happen. If that does, Cleveland is out of the QB market and may end up picking Ramsey or Bosa with their 2nd. This scenario will likely leave us with either Stanley or VH3 as options because the top 5 defensive blue chippers will likely be taken ahead of us (assuming Tunsil is taken #1).

However, Philly's trade with Miami presents them with an opportunity to pick 1 of either Wentz or Goff at #8 with SF picking the best available QB in the draft. This could be helpful for us if there was a team willing to trade up with us to take the best available QB prior to SF or Philly. It just depends on how much that team is willing to give up or if we think our options at #6 are not good enough to stay at that spot. It will be a very interesting draft day indeed if my hypothesis is borne out.

I don't see philly investing a 1st rounder to a QB with their confidence still in Bradford, especially after trading maxwell and Kiko to move up, but it could happen. 

[ellicottraven]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I don't see philly investing a 1st rounder to a QB with their confidence still in Bradford, especially after trading maxwell and Kiko to move up, but it could happen. 

The only reason I feel they would draft a QB for the future is the deal they gave Bradford. It is a 2 yr deal that basically is a prove yourself for a long term deal. If 1 of 2 top QBs are available to them at 8, I would be shocked if they didn't put in his name in a hurry.

[Maryland]

Sort of on topic, I was reading the other day how the conventional draft trade value chart is kind of arbitrary.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/

A different way of looking at trade values, even if their chart is kind of silly (using their stats, we could trade from 6 to 1 with just a 2nd, which is never going to happen lol). Nevertheless, it illustrates how overvalued a jump in the draft can be. In recent years, the Cowboys moving up for Claiborne really did not pay off, and the Dolphins trading up for Dion Jordan backfired as well... Vikings moving up for Patterson. The moral of the story here being that moving up is not nearly as valuable as one might think (the Claiborne example reminds me of Ramsey a bit lol)

This is a draft where I would not mind moving down and grabbing someone's 2nd round pick (or more). There are some decent players who fit our needs who aren't necessarily in the top-10. Maybe Leonard Floyd, Stanley, Treadwell, Ogbah, Fuller. And there are plenty of decent 2nd round picks, like maybe Calhoun or any of the day-2 WRs. Hopefully someone covets Goff ahead of the 49ers (assuming the Broncos go ahead with the rumored trade for Kaep). 

Edited March 11, 2016 by Maryland

[RaineV1]

4 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Sort of on topic, I was reading the other day how the conventional draft trade value chart is kind of arbitrary.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/

A different way of looking at trade values, even if their chart is kind of silly (using their stats, we could trade from 6 to 1 with just a 2nd, which is never going to happen lol). Nevertheless, it illustrates how overvalued a jump in the draft can be. In recent years, the Cowboys moving up for Claiborne really did not pay off, and the Dolphins trading up for Dion Jordan backfired as well... Vikings moving up for Patterson. The moral of the story here being that moving up is not nearly as valuable as one might think (the Claiborne example reminds me of Ramsey a bit lol)

This is a draft where I would not mind moving down and grabbing someone's 2nd round pick (or more). There are some decent players who fit our needs who aren't necessarily in the top-10. Maybe Leonard Floyd, Stanley, Treadwell, Ogbah, Fuller. And there are plenty of decent 2nd round picks, like maybe Calhoun or any of the day-2 WRs. Hopefully someone covets Goff ahead of the 49ers (assuming the Broncos go ahead with the rumored trade for Kaep). 

Same. If the top few players are gone, I'd definitely be willing to trade down to 8 or 9 or an extra 2nd round pick. I'd even swap picks with the Rams if they gave us a 1st next year and a 2nd this year. I'd happily take someone like Floyd at 15.

[Edgar]

Grabbing a one in next years draft would be great.

[52520Andrew]

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Lol I feel like some people neg posts for the Hell

Yeah the negs in here have gotten crazy. Lots of strong opinions this year it seems

[L.A.Ravens]

I was all for VH3 but after watching more game tape and highlights I don't like him anymore not just that he is short but because he can't tackle. He doesn't wrap up. His college tape tackles are the same as Matt Elams. I guess they don't teach to wrap up at Florida. 

[KBoum]

17 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

I was all for VH3 but after watching more game tape and highlights I don't like him anymore not just that he is short but because he can't tackle. He doesn't wrap up. His college tape tackles are the same as Matt Elams. I guess they don't teach to wrap up at Florida. 

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE playmakers. But if you're to agressive and get beat for TDs on double moves twice in a game and get 1 pick.... you still gave up 14. I love CBs who can press and shadow WRs. Interceptions will come with great schemes and zone underneath more than 1 on 1 man to man on the outside. Its a bit risky.

 

VH3 will need to learn how to read WRs hips and not jump on every routes

[ravensdan]

On March 11, 2016 at 7:43 AM, KBoum said:

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE playmakers. But if you're to agressive and get beat for TDs on double moves twice in a game and get 1 pick.... you still gave up 14. I love CBs who can press and shadow WRs. Interceptions will come with great schemes and zone underneath more than 1 on 1 man to man on the outside. Its a bit risky.

 

VH3 will need to learn how to read WRs hips and not jump on every routes

I actually heard a recent interview with him where he points out that exact thing to improve upon. NFL coaches have clearly brought it too his attention. Weather it takes is another story. 

[RavensFanMania]

On 3/9/2016 at 11:42 AM, L.A.Ravens said:

We have to keep and pick a impact player at pick 6 in the first round. The question I have is for us to trade back into the 20's for another prospect. Bleacher Report said for the Ravens to trade back into the first for the 22nd pick (Houston) it would take our first 4th round pick and our 2nd. I'm a die hard Ravens fan and know everything about the team and of course the division and rivals except I don't know much for the Redskins rivalry. The redskins pick at 21 would they be a possible trade partner or would they give us the shaft like the bengals or steelers?

 I see no reason why the Ravens wouldn't trade with the Skins.  The fans may not like it as it's more a rivalry of the two Cities than an actual rivalry.

[JoeyFlex5]

On 3/9/2016 at 11:42 AM, L.A.Ravens said:

We have to keep and pick a impact player at pick 6 in the first round. The question I have is for us to trade back into the 20's for another prospect. Bleacher Report said for the Ravens to trade back into the first for the 22nd pick (Houston) it would take our first 4th round pick and our 2nd. I'm a die hard Ravens fan and know everything about the team and of course the division and rivals except I don't know much for the Redskins rivalry. The redskins pick at 21 would they be a possible trade partner or would they give us the shaft like the bengals or steelers?

The redskins aren't a real rivalry. The fans dislike each other because ravens fans are forced to deal with their delusional false superiority complex and they respond by calling us obnoxious. 

 

Redskins fans, I maintain to this day, have the most annoying fanbase, their team is a dumpster fire, and they all act so snide and condescending to fans of any other team, they don't just trash talk they literally try to make you feel stupid and inferior in life for not being a skins fan... 

 

End of rant, back to the subject... The fans hate each other, the team's could care less, the stadiums are 45 minutes apart and our practice squad players battle it out every summer and a real game happens every 4 years. There is literally NO on field rivalry there, at all.

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The redskins aren't a real rivalry. The fans dislike each other because ravens fans are forced to deal with their delusional false superiority complex and they respond by calling us obnoxious. 

 

Redskins fans, I maintain to this day, have the most annoying fanbase, their team is a dumpster fire, and they all act so snide and condescending to fans of any other team, they don't just trash talk they literally try to make you feel stupid and inferior in life for not being a skins fan... 

 

End of rant, back to the subject... The fans hate each other, the team's could care less, the stadiums are 45 minutes apart and our practice squad players battle it out every summer and a real game happens every 4 years. There is literally NO on field rivalry there, at all.

lol, it's a little harsh to stereotype.  This sounds more like Cowboy fans than skins fans, but again it's not all of them.   I was a Skins fan for 35 years as I live in the DC area.  I got sick and tired of Snyder's shenanigans and I was a die hard and season ticket holder.  I never thought I would switch teams, but I did and I am extremely happy that I did.  How refreshing to root for a team that treats the fans with respect and does what it takes to win. They have a terrific owner a great front office and coaches and one that is poached on an annual basis.  

Yes, Snyder finally hired a general manager, but it took him 16 years to do so.   I still want them to win, but I couldn't root for the owner.  I have changed my basement into a Ravens room and still hold some of the skins memories down there as well as they are MY memories. 

 

I got a little off topic, but I agree the fan bases hate each other, but it wouldn't stop a trade.  There is no rivalry.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

lol, it's a little harsh to stereotype.  This sounds more like Cowboy fans than skins fans, but again it's not all of them.   I was a Skins fan for 35 years as I live in the DC area.  I got sick and tired of Snyder's shenanigans and I was a die hard and season ticket holder.  I never thought I would switch teams, but I did and I am extremely happy that I did.  How refreshing to root for a team that treats the fans with respect and does what it takes to win. They have a terrific owner a great front office and coaches and one that is poached on an annual basis.  

Yes, Snyder finally hired a general manager, but it took him 16 years to do so.   I still want them to win, but I couldn't root for the owner.  I have changed my basement into a Ravens room and still hold some of the skins memories down there as well as they are MY memories. 

 

I got a little off topic, but I agree the fan bases hate each other, but it wouldn't stop a trade.  There is no rivalry.

In my experience(half of my family is skins fans) that's exactly how they are, them, their friends, the skins fans from school when I was growing up, they all just had this odd superiority complex and made fun of Ray lewis, suggs' dolphin teeth, our accents, and our older fans tucking their jerseys in, those were the main targets for their insults lol but they always act like we're just inferior humans for being ravens fans, they really get on my nerves lol. 

 

Cowboys fans I think are more along the lines of what tensions fans say we are.

[RavensFanMania]

@JoeyFlex5

well, my section was always  good to opposing fans. even eagles cowboys and giants.  That being said, I've experienced that to a degree now that I'm a ravens fan but it has a lot to do with the proximity of the teams.  I always had respect for the Ravens organization and skins fans are jeolous because they were that team in the 80s and they had an owner change and he screwed with the team.  It was going downhill prior but they had some bad hires under GM Charley Casserly after Gibbs retired the first time. 

 

So I'm assuming you grew up in the DC metro area?

[JoeyFlex5]

40 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

@JoeyFlex5

well, my section was always  good to opposing fans. even eagles cowboys and giants.  That being said, I've experienced that to a degree now that I'm a ravens fan but it has a lot to do with the proximity of the teams.  I always had respect for the Ravens organization and skins fans are jeolous because they were that team in the 80s and they had an owner change and he screwed with the team.  It was going downhill prior but they had some bad hires under GM Charley Casserly after Gibbs retired the first time. 

 

So I'm assuming you grew up in the DC metro area?

Pasadena and Baltimore but there's plenty of skins fans everywhere, and my mom married into a skins family when I was 14, they're all from laurel/pg county. 

 

It might be that they are just snobs about their team lol but they have really given skins fans a bad image in my mind, it's just odd how most skins fans I meet tend be act the same way they do when they talk football lol

[RavensFanMania]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pasadena and Baltimore but there's plenty of skins fans everywhere, and my mom married into a skins family when I was 14, they're all from laurel/pg county. 

 

It might be that they are just snobs about their team lol but they have really given skins fans a bad image in my mind, it's just odd how most skins fans I meet tend be act the same way they do when they talk football lol

I find that with most teams, unless they are from the midwest.  lol 

That being said, Skins fans are very much into there football.  They have a huge message board 'Extremeskins', which used to be a terrific board until it became undone by too many obnoxious fans (I'm right, your wrong fans).  This happens when you have a large fan base in a big market, though.  I'd say the most obnoxious fans are Patriots fans and they have to be one of if not the biggest bandwagon there is.  They weren't even into football until Tom Brady and belichick came to town.  Boston was a Baseball town first.  Not anymore.

Edited March 14, 2016 by RavensFanMania