What do you folks think about our WR depth chart for 2016? Will we draft a WR?

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

It's not like these people have been proven wrong at this point in time.

I'll believe SS89 is recovered from his achilles injury when the season starts, he's healthy, and gaining separation like old times. 

Sadly I agree with your point.  But I think he his a great example of a high risk/high reward considering what we are paying him. 

[SammyG]

I would just like to point out that I was very high on Treadwell awhile ago because I watch a lot of Ole' Miss games and I liked the way he played. You could tell he wasn't the fastest, but he looked like he could've been an Boldin type guy which I though could help our team. But Charles Tapper a DEFENSIVE LINEMAN ran the 40 in 4.59s and Treadwell ran it 4.63. Tapper's vertical was 34in and Treadwell's was 32.5. They're both 6'3'' , but Tapper weighs 51 pounds more than Treadwell. He looks like he's got the skills to ball in the NFL, but I just really am starting to doubt he is athletic enough to gain consistent separation. People say Dez wasn't blazing fast, but he still ran 0.11s faster than Treadwell and is much more aggressive. Idk I just am really all in with Shepard as the best receiver in this class.

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Remember all those people who said we should cut / trade SSS?

Probably the same people who think trading a 36 year old WR coming off an achilles tear would net us a first round pick.

Basically, people that play Madden a lot. 

 

[thieverycorporation]

On March 27, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Gtown Purple said:

The addition of Wallace and Watson gives us alot of options. I don't expect us to do WR in this draft unless one falls way off projection. I expect a defense heavy draft and maybe some oline depth. Only way we go skill position on offense is if someone slides way down.

No way Ozzie doesn't take a receiver in the draft. No way possible. He's on record as needing depth and that means thru the draft as well. SSsr is an injury away and Aiken is a #3. They have got to be tired of the chatter about the position and they will bolster the position with quality. 

Plus this:

Breshad Perriman - WR -  Ravens

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said sophomore WR Breshad Perriman (PCL) is still not running "fully."

Perriman did not play a snap as a rookie after partially tearing his PCL early in training camp. He was expected to be ready for the offseason program, so it is concerning he is not yet back to 100 percent, although GM Ozzie Newsome said the team is getting good reports on his recovery. With the Ravens bringing in Mike Wallace in free agency, Perriman needs a strong offseason to solidify his role in the offense

[Deflated Football]

45 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

No way Ozzie doesn't take a receiver in the draft. No way possible. He's on record as needing depth and that means thru the draft as well. SSsr is an injury away and Aiken is a #3. They have got to be tired of the chatter about the position and they will bolster the position with quality. 

Plus this:

Breshad Perriman - WR -  Ravens

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said sophomore WR Breshad Perriman (PCL) is still not running "fully."

Perriman did not play a snap as a rookie after partially tearing his PCL early in training camp. He was expected to be ready for the offseason program, so it is concerning he is not yet back to 100 percent, although GM Ozzie Newsome said the team is getting good reports on his recovery. With the Ravens bringing in Mike Wallace in free agency, Perriman needs a strong offseason to solidify his role in the offense

This is disappointing. We need him next year. 

[rmcjacket23]

49 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

No way Ozzie doesn't take a receiver in the draft. No way possible. He's on record as needing depth and that means thru the draft as well. SSsr is an injury away and Aiken is a #3. They have got to be tired of the chatter about the position and they will bolster the position with quality. 

Plus this:

Breshad Perriman - WR -  Ravens

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said sophomore WR Breshad Perriman (PCL) is still not running "fully."

Perriman did not play a snap as a rookie after partially tearing his PCL early in training camp. He was expected to be ready for the offseason program, so it is concerning he is not yet back to 100 percent, although GM Ozzie Newsome said the team is getting good reports on his recovery. With the Ravens bringing in Mike Wallace in free agency, Perriman needs a strong offseason to solidify his role in the offense

Well, he may take one, but it could also be in the Campanaro-type range. I don't expect to see a WR taken until probably day 3, which typically leaves you with developmental type players like Camp and Waller.

I think the FO and coaching staff actually like the current depth of our WR core quite a bit, particularly when you factor in TEs as well.

Keep in mind that the current "chatter" about the position from analysts and the like is how much improved the WR position will be for them and how it has the potential to be one of the better units in the league.

Edited April 5, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Drew P]

58 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

No way Ozzie doesn't take a receiver in the draft. No way possible. He's on record as needing depth and that means thru the draft as well. SSsr is an injury away and Aiken is a #3. They have got to be tired of the chatter about the position and they will bolster the position with quality. 

Plus this:

Breshad Perriman - WR -  Ravens

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said sophomore WR Breshad Perriman (PCL) is still not running "fully."

Perriman did not play a snap as a rookie after partially tearing his PCL early in training camp. He was expected to be ready for the offseason program, so it is concerning he is not yet back to 100 percent, although GM Ozzie Newsome said the team is getting good reports on his recovery. With the Ravens bringing in Mike Wallace in free agency, Perriman needs a strong offseason to solidify his role in the offense

It would be a welcome departure from the strategy of drafting late round small school spares if they continued drafting WR's earlier than round 4. They at least hit a double with Torrey.

There's 3rd round talent out there like Pharoh and Sterling that can play the slot.

Purge the wayward souls and bolster the position with speed and youth.

[D-Rey]

21 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He actually already shows natural hands and while he isn't nuanced in route running, he showed an understanding of head fakes and explosion in and out of breaks. He's extremely cerebral and should be able to grasp the position.

If you're drafting him, it's based on the upside he has, which is insane.

He has a lot of upside, but I would never take a player who's only played a position for a single year in the first round. He's heavily reliant upon speed and athletic ability over skill. His route running needs major work. He's only run deep and short routes, he hasn't run the whole route tree. He's more of a work in progress which I certainly wouldn't take in the first or second round. We've seen players like him before. He could turn into a playmaking WR or just another gadget player.

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, he may take one, but it could also be in the Campanaro-type range. I don't expect to see a WR taken until probably day 3, which typically leaves you with developmental type players like Camp and Waller.

I think the FO and coaching staff actually like the current depth of our WR core quite a bit, particularly when you factor in TEs as well.

Keep in mind that the current "chatter" about the position from analysts and the like is how much improved the WR position will be for them and how it has the potential to be one of the better units in the league.

That maybe true however they need to really double dip IMHO as they really will still need speed in the event that Perriman has a setback. We really can't afford to waste the opportunity to put a stamp on the position and with confidence. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, thieverycorporation said:

That maybe true however they need to really double dip IMHO as they really will still need speed in the event that Perriman has a setback. We really can't afford to waste the opportunity to put a stamp on the position and with confidence. 

1. That's why they signed Mike Wallace for potentially two years. 

2. If they take a speed guy, I would almost certainly bet it will be in the very late rounds, thus being a raw, project type guy with speed. Those kinds of players take years, if ever, to make any real impact. Likely would be a PS guy or somebody who barely makes the roster but is a gameday inactive.

I just don't see a scenario where a WR taken after like day 2 has an immediate impact on this football team this season. He'd be the 5th receiver at best to start the season, and that's a ST role player on this team.

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

It would be a welcome departure from the strategy of drafting late round small school spares if they continued drafting WR's earlier than round 4. They at least hit a double with Torrey.

There's 3rd round talent out there like Pharoh and Sterling that can play the slot.

Purge the wayward souls and bolster the position with speed and youth.

Sterling won't be there in the third I'm willing to bet. The run will begin late one thru two. Any skilled position players will certainly be plucked. Teams needing upgrades will take the cream of the top. Totally agree with the last statement. The kicker is we have higher then normal expectations of Smith which may not be in his control. I haven't seen to many people beat out father time. Blind faith can't be the mantle for success.

[GrimCoconut]

Perriman hasn't started running? What? 

[Moderator 3]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Perriman hasn't started running? What? 

yes he has, according to Harbs today.

[PolishRifle]

Even the Jaguars managed to draft a great WR.

[GrimCoconut]

12 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

yes he has, according to Harbs today.

Oh sorry I meant fully running. 

[rmw10]

Based off of the presser today, expect an additional WR in the mid rounds. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Based off of the presser today, expect an additional WR in the mid rounds. 

Listenbee!

[thieverycorporation]

It's really looking like Perriman's reported injury has a lot to do with some type of degenerative disorder as reported. Most fans seem to think it was a hack reporter disseminating the story. I don't and think the Ravens gambled on a speedster and combine influenced work out/pro day. It shouldn't take that long to get over that reported injury. It's truly not a good look. It would seem that he had far more extensive damage then we've heard or have been lead to believe. I certainly wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket he's carrying. The Ravens will look real dumb if they don't take another viable receiver that has at least 2nd round merits. Waiting for day three will only add enormous scrutiny and the chatter will not be of the kind nature. We aren't the only ones looking @ the failed position for far too long. They may say he's being saved from re-injury. Really? 

[PolishRifle]

32 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Based off of the presser today, expect an additional WR in the mid rounds. 

Too bad this years WR class is so lackluster.

[edthehead]

24 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

It's really looking like Perriman's reported injury has a lot to do with some type of degenerative disorder as reported. Most fans seem to think it was a hack reporter disseminating the story. I don't and think the Ravens gambled on a speedster and combine influenced work out/pro day. It shouldn't take that long to get over that reported injury. It's truly not a good look. It would seem that he had far more extensive damage then we've heard or have been lead to believe. I certainly wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket he's carrying. The Ravens will look real dumb if they don't take another viable receiver that has at least 2nd round merits. Waiting for day three will only add enormous scrutiny and the chatter will not be of the kind nature. We aren't the only ones looking @ the failed position for far too long. They may say he's being saved from re-injury. Really? 

agree,

this is bad, 

for me I would not wait till mid round to draft a WR,

with his injury and the amount of time to recover

not a good look

[Cillmatic]

He's on track to be a full participant in OTA's so this doesn't matter.

[Tank 92]

17 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

He's on track to be a full participant in OTA's so this doesn't matter.

Yes, but he should be doing off season route workouts with Flac.........oh, wait a minute.   

[gtalk12]

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Probably the same people who think trading a 36 year old WR coming off an achilles tear would net us a first round pick.

Basically, people that play Madden a lot. 

 

You can't even do that in Madden lol

[gtalk12]

6 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Yes, but he should be doing off season route workouts with Flac.........oh, wait a minute.   

 

Don't YOU DARE lol

The situation with Perriman is discouraging

[Tank 92]

42 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

Don't YOU DARE lol

The situation with Perriman is discouraging

 

I don't think there's reason to be discouraged this year(yet), but there's certainly no reason to be encouraged at this point either.

[52520Andrew]

Perriman and Wallace have the potential to be an even better deep threat duo than Jacoby and Torrey 2012. Throw in SSS, Aiken, and our TEs over the middle and WR is in pretty good shape for this year. After that though depends on how Perriman does this year. Wouldn't be opposed to adding another WR if there is a good value there but if we don't draft one I won't be heartbroken. I don't think we need to sign another one via FA. After this season we should know a lot more about how big of a need WR will be.

[Ravensfan23]

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. That's why they signed Mike Wallace for potentially two years. 

2. If they take a speed guy, I would almost certainly bet it will be in the very late rounds, thus being a raw, project type guy with speed. Those kinds of players take years, if ever, to make any real impact. Likely would be a PS guy or somebody who barely makes the roster but is a gameday inactive.

I just don't see a scenario where a WR taken after like day 2 has an immediate impact on this football team this season. He'd be the 5th receiver at best to start the season, and that's a ST role player on this team.

You don't not draft a potential long term option because of a veteran WR who already has one foot in retirement. Even if you take a WR at the top of the 2nd you don't have to have an immediate impact from that guy but just like many other positions Harbs will push competition at the WR position. 

Perriman has proven nothing and there is no guarantee that SSS will be at his best coming off his injury. You can't bank on Wallace reviving career and turning into a long term option. So you are basically looking at Aiken as the only proven option and he's not really a front line guy, although really solid. 

So if you have a chance to draft a guy you believe could be a difference maker at the WR position you do it and figure out who'll play where later.

[rmcjacket23]

10 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

You don't not draft a potential long term option because of a veteran WR who already has one foot in retirement. Even if you take a WR at the top of the 2nd you don't have to have an immediate impact from that guy but just like many other positions Harbs will push competition at the WR position. 

Perriman has proven nothing and there is no guarantee that SSS will be at his best coming off his injury. You can't bank on Wallace reviving career and turning into a long term option. So you are basically looking at Aiken as the only proven option and he's not really a front line guy, although really solid. 

So if you have a chance to draft a guy you believe could be a difference maker at the WR position you do it and figure out who'll play where later.

You're likely going to have the chance to draft a difference maker at any one of a number positions at the top of the second round, so WR is no different in terms of needs than those positions, since we have many.

I think they like Aiken a lot, and they are certainly invested in Perriman for several more years due to his draft status. He's as unproven as the guy you would take in the 2nd round, so you're gambling on both sides.

Me personally... I don't really see the need to have 3-4 quality WRs short or long term, because they'll never all be productive in this offense. In a good offensive season, we've got room for quality production out of 2 WRs and a TE, maximum. If there was ever a season where I felt like the best choice was to use a 3rd or 4th round pick on a WR and look to develop him for once, this would be it.

[Ravensfan23]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You're likely going to have the chance to draft a difference maker at any one of a number positions at the top of the second round, so WR is no different in terms of needs than those positions, since we have many.

I think they like Aiken a lot, and they are certainly invested in Perriman for several more years due to his draft status. He's as unproven as the guy you would take in the 2nd round, so you're gambling on both sides.

Me personally... I don't really see the need to have 3-4 quality WRs short or long term, because they'll never all be productive in this offense. In a good offensive season, we've got room for quality production out of 2 WRs and a TE, maximum. If there was ever a season where I felt like the best choice was to use a 3rd or 4th round pick on a WR and look to develop him for once, this would be it.

Yes you may be able to draft a difference maker at another position, however if a guy like Doctson is sitting a 36 and he's the highest rated player on the Ravens board, you don't pass him up for the sake of not needing another quality WR. Especially when you don't have a set WR group beyond 2016.

They have really good reason to like Aiken, in fact they should love him. I would have no problem going into the future with Aiken as one of the top WRs along with Perriman(hopefully). The problem is, you only have Aiken on a 1yr deal and if he has another solid season he may just price himself out of Baltimore the way teams pay WRs.

I don't think you necessarily need 3 or 4 quality WRs but you also can't avoid add quality talent to a position because you already have an answer in 2016, but things are cloudy in 2017. I just don't think you can have a potential top end WR sitting there in the 2nd or 3rd round and pass because of the current WR group.

[ALPHA]

On 4/5/2016 at 11:11 PM, SammyG said:

I would just like to point out that I was very high on Treadwell awhile ago because I watch a lot of Ole' Miss games and I liked the way he played. You could tell he wasn't the fastest, but he looked like he could've been an Boldin type guy which I though could help our team. But Charles Tapper a DEFENSIVE LINEMAN ran the 40 in 4.59s and Treadwell ran it 4.63. Tapper's vertical was 34in and Treadwell's was 32.5. They're both 6'3'' , but Tapper weighs 51 pounds more than Treadwell. He looks like he's got the skills to ball in the NFL, but I just really am starting to doubt he is athletic enough to gain consistent separation. People say Dez wasn't blazing fast, but he still ran 0.11s faster than Treadwell and is much more aggressive. Idk I just am really all in with Shepard as the best receiver in this class.

Treadwells numbers are comparable to Boldin, he ran a 4.71 second 40, posted a 33.5inch vert and a 7.35 second three cone drill. That was the sole reason why Newsome and Savage dropped him on our board and we ended up trading up for Boller. At the end of the day it's football not a track meet.