What do you folks think about our WR depth chart for 2016? Will we draft a WR?

[ellicottraven]

We still need to draft a good possession receiver to take over from SSR when he does retire. This receiver can fight for our #4-5 Receiver this year, get some game experience and slide into the #3 next year. Wallace, Aiken, Perriman, draft pick and Campanaro alongwith SSR looks like a solid WR group to me in 2016.

[ravensnj]

I would take Sterling Sheppard as my only wide out and rest comfortably, with our corps. All other picks on Defense, except one late pick on an  O lineman for development. 

[gtalk12]

19 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

SSS will definitely be number one if healthy but I definitely think Trestman will rotate the top 4 guys. I don't think anyone will be force feed like Smitty was last year. Maybe Perriman and Wallace will be forced the ball on deep shots 4 or 5 times a game, but I really don't see anyone 8-10 catches like both Smitty and Aiken did last year.

Aiken was the #1 after Smitty when down and was solid. He'll see plenty of time imo.

As far as Joe throwing off his back foot, I expect to see it a ton this year especially early on. He's coming off a ACL and has to not only get comfortable with that but also get comfortable with his oline again. I think it'll take until mid season before Joe is full comfortable in breaking the habit of throwing off his back foot.

 

I was hoping that because of the injury, once healthy he would work on his mechanics again. I'm thinking once he gets into the habit of learning everything again he goes back to basics helping get that extra juice on his passes. Too many times those balls just floated up and when I watch I see it's because he's throwing off his back foot.

 

I'm way too excited to see how everything unfolds this year starting with the draft

[Ravensfan23]

On 3/29/2016 at 3:20 PM, gtalk12 said:

 

I was hoping that because of the injury, once healthy he would work on his mechanics again. I'm thinking once he gets into the habit of learning everything again he goes back to basics helping get that extra juice on his passes. Too many times those balls just floated up and when I watch I see it's because he's throwing off his back foot.

 

I'm way too excited to see how everything unfolds this year starting with the draft

 

You would think it's something that a player should already have mastered but I feel Joe's inconsistent footwork is the biggest result of the constant change at the OC and QB coach positions. When guys like Caldwell, Kubes and the other guy escapes me(former Seahwaks lefty QB) all focused on his footwork Joe had some of his best seasons. Then other guys kind of just let Joe be Joe and he falls back into his comfort zone of my big arm will get me through. 

Being 6'6 makes it easy for Joe to get sloppy with his footwork and appear lazy, but he's not. It's just a habit that was never broken since a young player because he's never really had consistent coaching. 

Don't wanna seem like I'm making excuses for Joe because it's something that he could easy hire a off-season QB coach to solely work on his footwork. 

[PolishRifle]

32 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

You would think it's something that a player should already have mastered but I feel Joe's inconsistent footwork is the biggest result of the constant change at the OC and QB coach positions. When guys like Caldwell, Kubes and the other guy escapes me(form Seahwaks lefty QB) all focused on his footwork Joe had some of his best seasons. Then other guys kind of just let Joe be Joe and he falls back into his comfort zone of my big arm will get me through. 

Being 6'6 makes it easy for Joe to get sloppy with his footwork and appear lazy, but he's not. It's just a habit that was never broken since a young player because he's never really had consistent coaching. 

Do wanna seem like I'm making excuses for Joe because it's something that he could easy hire a off-season QB coach to solely work on his footwork. 

You mean JIm Zorn? Big mistake to fire him, I agree. Joe was furious about that, too. He's really good with QBs turned coaches.

Edited March 29, 2016 by PolishRifle

[Ravensfan23]

19 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

You mean JIm Zorn? Big mistake to fire him, I agree. Joe was furious about that, too. He's really good with QBs turned coaches.

Yeah that's him and I agree he should have been kept for the betterment of Joe and the future of this offense over Cam. I hope the lesson is learned and the Ravens don't allow Bobby Engram to go anywhere. 

I don't care what WR the Ravens put on the field to catch passes from any of the 4 QBs, those WRs seemed ready to play and well coached. That's something that couldn't be said in year's past. 

Bobby Engram is one of the biggest reason I'm excited about Perriman despite missing his entire rookie year.

[RavensDieHard21]

I am all for making this a defensive heavy draft so that we can become a fierce unit once more, but if the right WR slides and Ozzie finds a partner to move up with then I'd be all for it. I think Treadwell's 40 slightly hurt him and feel that he might make it past LA and Detroit, which if he were to make it into the twenties then I would have no problem trading up for him, especially if Alexander and WJIII are gone. Boyd is my favorite receiver based on his hands and I see him being a really great possession receiver. Hopefully we make a move for him in the late second or he manages to fall into the third, which is doubtful.

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yeah that's him and I agree he should have been kept for the betterment of Joe and the future of this offense over Cam. I hope the lesson is learned and the Ravens don't allow Bobby Engram to go anywhere. 

I don't care what WR the Ravens put on the field to catch passes from any of the 4 QBs, those WRs seemed ready to play and well coached. That's something that couldn't be said in year's past. 

Bobby Engram is one of the biggest reason I'm excited about Perriman despite missing his entire rookie year.

 

The lack of consistency for me kind of stopped around the time we fired Cam. For years I saw Flacco get better and better slowly, it seems like he's tried to adjust his game multiple times. It's been frustrating to watch him over the last couple of years. With Kubiak he looked much better, I just wish one of these OC's would stay with him already. This year looked pretty good from him, considering all the injuries he was putting up yards with Trestman. I expect big things from Flacco aside from the talent around him/he needs to be the leader and MAKE these guys better

[Ravensfan23]

53 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

The lack of consistency for me kind of stopped around the time we fired Cam. For years I saw Flacco get better and better slowly, it seems like he's tried to adjust his game multiple times. It's been frustrating to watch him over the last couple of years. With Kubiak he looked much better, I just wish one of these OC's would stay with him already. This year looked pretty good from him, considering all the injuries he was putting up yards with Trestman. I expect big things from Flacco aside from the talent around him/he needs to be the leader and MAKE these guys better

I hate the make the guys around him better talk. Talent is talent. Joe can't make guys run routes and catch better. No QB does. 

Imo coaches and system do more to help make WRs better then any QB does. Aiken didn't get cut in NE because Brady couldn't make him better, he just really didn't fit their system well enough. The same way Flacco or any of the other QBs last year made him a solid guy and a breakout candidate. He just fits the system here well. 

Other then that I agree. I thought 2011 was gonna be the year Joe turn the corner and was ready to take control of the offense but again there was a ton of change on the offensive side of the ball. I think Flacco will continue to do really well under Trestman and the weapons he now has at WR and TE will really help. 

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I hate the make the guys around him better talk. Talent is talent. Joe can't make guys run routes and catch better. No QB does. 

Imo coaches and system do more to help make WRs better then any QB does. Aiken didn't get cut in NE because Brady couldn't make him better, he just really didn't fit their system well enough. The same way Flacco or any of the other QBs last year made him a solid guy and a breakout candidate. He just fits the system here well. 

Other then that I agree. I thought 2011 was gonna be the year Joe turn the corner and was ready to take control of the offense but again there was a ton of change on the offensive side of the ball. I think Flacco will continue to do really well under Trestman and the weapons he now has at WR and TE will really help. 

Wait, what?! You can't mean to tell me the rumors I hear about Brady making guys better is wrong, can you?! Say it ain't so! Yes, yes! It makes more sense! Joe Flacco couldn't possibly make Aiken look good after he washed out of other places with better QBs. Yes, yes...it's the system--UNLESS it's Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or any QB that goes to serve my argument that Joe Flacco just isn't very good. By George, I think you've got it!*

_{*Not a shot at you, btw.} 

[Ravensfan23]

40 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Wait, what?! You can't mean to tell me the rumors I hear about Brady making guys better is wrong, can you?! Say it ain't so! Yes, yes! It makes more sense! Joe Flacco couldn't possibly make Aiken look good after he washed out of other places with better QBs. Yes, yes...it's the system--UNLESS it's Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or any QB that goes to serve my argument that Joe Flacco just isn't very good. By George, I think you've got it!*

_{*Not a shot at you, btw.} 

oh I agree 100%. That's exactly why I hate the argument because it's bias. Flacco has been surround by mediocre-good talent his entire career imo. While other guys get surround by good-great talent. Flacco has done as good a job as any getting the most out of the talent given to him. But again it's system more then anything. People marvel at guys like Rodgers but forget that Matt Flynn had a ton of success in the system for when given chances. I feel the same about Drew Bree's. He's not as good outside of Peyton's offense and if the Ravens had signed him it wouldn't have worked out as well. 

I've said for year that Brady would be exposed in the Ravens offense because for years(until Kubes) it hasn't really been QB friendly. Brady can't live in constant 3rd and medium-long situations but that's what Flacco has been asked to thrive in his entire career. Not saying Joe is the better QB but put him in a shotgun spread offense and just let him fling the ball all over the field and he'd put up great numbers, thus "making his WRs look better"

[gtalk12]

19 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

oh I agree 100%. That's exactly why I hate the argument because it's bias. Flacco has been surround by mediocre-good talent his entire career imo. While other guys get surround by good-great talent. Flacco has done as good a job as any getting the most out of the talent given to him. But again it's system more then anything. People marvel at guys like Rodgers but forget that Matt Flynn had a ton of success in the system for when given chances. I feel the same about Drew Bree's. He's not as good outside of Peyton's offense and if the Ravens had signed him it wouldn't have worked out as well. 

I've said for year that Brady would be exposed in the Ravens offense because for years(until Kubes) it hasn't really been QB friendly. Brady can't live in constant 3rd and medium-long situations but that's what Flacco has been asked to thrive in his entire career. Not saying Joe is the better QB but put him in a shotgun spread offense and just let him fling the ball all over the field and he'd put up great numbers, thus "making his WRs look better"

 

I meant the offense getting better, I'm curious why at this point he isn't running the offense and making adjustments on his own.

[gtalk12]

20 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I hate the make the guys around him better talk. Talent is talent. Joe can't make guys run routes and catch better. No QB does. 

Imo coaches and system do more to help make WRs better then any QB does. Aiken didn't get cut in NE because Brady couldn't make him better, he just really didn't fit their system well enough. The same way Flacco or any of the other QBs last year made him a solid guy and a breakout candidate. He just fits the system here well. 

Other then that I agree. I thought 2011 was gonna be the year Joe turn the corner and was ready to take control of the offense but again there was a ton of change on the offensive side of the ball. I think Flacco will continue to do really well under Trestman and the weapons he now has at WR and TE will really help. 

Way too many changes and injuries followed that year. If Trestman is our guy, I hope he stays put

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, gtalk12 said:

Way too many changes and injuries followed that year. If Trestman is our guy, I hope he stays put

I like the youthful talent Joe is being surrounded by and I like the coaches. I was impressed by Trestman last year. I thought his concepts kept defenders off balance. He used the TEs very well and was creative with the RBs in the pass game. I thought the lack of speed hurt the passing game but you could see the potential. I think Trestman stays and won't get much HC attention

[K-Dog]

Just give me a FEW years of O.C. consistency.  Is that really too much to ask ?

[Tank 92]

 I'm not sure how folks are getting away with all of this "purple shades homerism" without the "realist objectivity" being spewed.  lol

All facts and the hope is that we are moving towards some comsistent talent at both OC and WR. 

[scrock]

I think it needs young blood, definitely draft a WR if there's someone available...Steve Smith and Mike Wallace aren't long term answers..if Perriman can stay healthy and prove to be a stud that would help but we need to be 4 or 5 reliable WRs deep...I like Aiken as a 3rd option...if he was the 4th WR we'd be pretty set

[Maryland]

If he's there for us in the 3rd, Braxton Miller could be an intriguing pick. He has the kind of attitude like SSS where he fights for every yard as hard as he can. He also reminds me a lot of young SSS because he is quick and can get separation easily... but he's also 6'1" which is a plus. Would be a great start to his inexperienced career at WR if Miller could sit and learn for a season behind SSS. My only concern with Miller is his hands. 

[GrimCoconut]

5 hours ago, Maryland said:

If he's there for us in the 3rd, Braxton Miller could be an intriguing pick. He has the kind of attitude like SSS where he fights for every yard as hard as he can. He also reminds me a lot of young SSS because he is quick and can get separation easily... but he's also 6'1" which is a plus. Would be a great start to his inexperienced career at WR if Miller could sit and learn for a season behind SSS. My only concern with Miller is his hands. 

I wouldn't take Miller there. He's got nice upside but he's a gamble and I wouldn't gamble like that with a high third round pick. This isn't like gambling on Noah Spence, who once had issues with ecstasy but those days seem behind him even if his interviews weren't the best. No, this is gambling that a QB-turned-WR pans out with a high third round pick. 

I want my Ravens to pad with that pick.

[Ravensfan23]

21 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I wouldn't take Miller there. He's got nice upside but he's a gamble and I wouldn't gamble like that with a high third round pick. This isn't like gambling on Noah Spence, who once had issues with ecstasy but those days seem behind him even if his interviews weren't the best. No, this is gambling that a QB-turned-WR pans out with a high third round pick. 

I want my Ravens to pad with that pick.

I agree. The only way I can see the Ravens pulling the trigger in the 3rd is if you see him making an immediate impact as a Returner and you think he's developed enough as a WR. But I wouldn't touch him until the 4th. 

I think there will be a borderline 1st round guy that actually drops to the top of the 3rd. Who? I don't know who, maybe Spence or Lawson? No reason to believe that just a weird feeling. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I agree. The only way I can see the Ravens pulling the trigger in the 3rd is if you see him making an immediate impact as a Returner and you think he's developed enough as a WR. But I wouldn't touch him until the 4th. 

I think there will be a borderline 1st round guy that actually drops to the top of the 3rd. Who? I don't know who, maybe Spence or Lawson? No reason to believe that just a weird feeling. 

Spence is possible but less likely since pass rushers are rather underwhelming this year. I think Tyler Boyd or Kendall Fuller are two names to watch for guys who have 1st round talent that could drop to the 3rd round. 

[BmoreBird22]

On 4/2/2016 at 3:06 PM, Maryland said:

If he's there for us in the 3rd, Braxton Miller could be an intriguing pick. He has the kind of attitude like SSS where he fights for every yard as hard as he can. He also reminds me a lot of young SSS because he is quick and can get separation easily... but he's also 6'1" which is a plus. Would be a great start to his inexperienced career at WR if Miller could sit and learn for a season behind SSS. My only concern with Miller is his hands. 

Apparently he's generating first round steam, so we'll see

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Apparently he's generating first round steam, so we'll see

That's great for us. The more players that aren't exactly sought after that early will end up helping us out in the next rounds. Hopefully pushing down Shepard or Boyd.

[D-Rey]

18 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Apparently he's generating first round steam, so we'll see

I question the decision makers of any team that takes him in the first. Ya he is extremely talented, but so are a lot of other player. He's extremely raw. He's only played WR for a single year. His hands and route running are far from developed. Even in the third round it might be a reach.

[757RavensFan]

Interesting take on our current WD depth as is.  

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/4/4/11359530/baltimore-ravens-wide-receiver-depth-chart-looks-to-be-powerful-maybe-one-of-the-best

IF all return healthy, this could easily be the best WR core we've ever had.   SSS, Wallace, Perriman, Aikmen, Camp and many others can really help bring a nice balanced passing attack offense. 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, D-Rey said:

I question the decision makers of any team that takes him in the first. Ya he is extremely talented, but so are a lot of other player. He's extremely raw. He's only played WR for a single year. His hands and route running are far from developed. Even in the third round it might be a reach.

He actually already shows natural hands and while he isn't nuanced in route running, he showed an understanding of head fakes and explosion in and out of breaks. He's extremely cerebral and should be able to grasp the position.

If you're drafting him, it's based on the upside he has, which is insane.

[K-Dog]

Remember all those people who said we should cut / trade SSS?

[Moderator 3]

27 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Remember all those people who said we should cut / trade SSS?

All?  Two?

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

All?  Two?

It was at least three !!!!

[Maryland]

6 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Remember all those people who said we should cut / trade SSS?

It's not like these people have been proven wrong at this point in time.

I'll believe SS89 is recovered from his achilles injury when the season starts, he's healthy, and gaining separation like old times.