What do you folks think about our WR depth chart for 2016? Will we draft a WR?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I wouldnt mind signing Boldin back to vet min type contract as insurance to steve smith. that would give us a 3 deep rotation of reliable possession receivers, a 3 deep rotation of TE's, and a 2 man rotation of burners. Lots of weapons for Joe to throw too, and if theres an injury or two we wouldnt be caught with our pants down like last year.

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really think Perriman can be a player in this league but I don't like people talking him up like he's done something. He's essentially a rookie this year. We have no idea what kind of player he'll be like any other rookie. I doubt teams will focus on him or count on stopping him early as critical to their game plan. This may change throughout the year, though. I just think it's premature atm. 

 

5 hours ago, codizzle said:

Possibly but He's done absolutely nothing yet 

That's fair, but going off of what he did in college, he can be a baller

[Ravensfan23]

On 3/22/2016 at 1:00 PM, gtalk12 said:

 

I disagree completely, Wallace may seem one dimensional but Jacoby has never caught for over 600 yards in one season. Even with Ryan T as his QB he still had 10Td's with an arm that could not get him the ball deep. I watched him down here for 2 years and Dolphin fans would cry that Wallace would be open and he could never hit Wallace his first year there (5 TDs). Wallace is an upgrade to every receiver not named Steve Smith in the last couple of years. Wallace chased the money which led him to play with 2 teams who's QB's could not get him the ball the way he needs it.....So no, he is not going to be like Jacoby in my opinion and there is no way he does not start along side Steve Smith if he's healthy

even if he starts opposite Smith, if healthy the Ravens will look to incorporate Perriman into the offense as much as possible. Wallace was the #1 option in Mia he won't be here. 

When I talk about him being like Jacoby I speak in terms of how he will be used and what his long term role will be. Not necessarily production. Yes he is the best WR outside of Smitty but he's still on a 1 year deal. If younger guys like Aiken, Camp, draft pick(Doctson) and especially Perriman develop, stay healthy and continue to show promise the Ravens won't hesitate to turn the keys to the offense over to those guys. Wallace will be 30 this season and 31 next, that's not old but it's also not young. 

The Jacoby comparison comes from Wallace being brought in as a #2 speedy deep threat type, but if those younger guys develop, mainly Perriman and Doctson(?) or whomever can develop into strong possession move the chains type of #2 WR, then Wallace will be pushed down the roster much like Jacoby was. Wallace would have to really light this offense up or the young guys flop for him to be a long term option imo.

[JoeyFlex5]

When people talk about wallace being a one trick pony... 

 

Have you seen how he pursues the ball on comebacks and slants? He may not be boxing dudes out like boldin or running routes like mason but with his speed, reach, veteran knowledge and general aggressiveness he is an above average #2 and a stellar deep threat. He is a perfect fit here guys. Let's stop looking for reasons to call for Ozzies head every single time the team makes a move.

[Ravensfan23]

On 3/24/2016 at 11:16 AM, gtalk12 said:

The need at WR isn't as big as we think it is. At the end of the day Joe was under too much pressure last year with a group of WR's that did not have the speed to get open at times. Perriman and Wallace fix that issue, am I the only one who thinks that? The biggest issue we face last year was injuries and although we may not be as talented as other teams in several positions it does not change the fact that we still had success. It was the defensive side of the ball that failed us, we are focusing too much at this point on the WR position in terms of us fans.

 

That position, including the TE's, is stacked with a bunch of players we need to develop. Either that or overpay (see the Lions; I really wanted Marvin Jones) Forget need, who is going to be the best player available at the 6th pick

There is the issue. The group is filled with guys who need to develop but even when/if they don't you're not really looking at any game changers. The WR group is filled with a bunch of cast offs and UDFAs. Aiken is proving to be the exception of the bunch but you can't really put much confidence in the WRs in terms of continuing to build your team. 

The Ravens have a ton of guys who are similar and not many of them bring anything special. The hope is that Perriman is special, but then what do you have. Aiken and Butler are very similar. Neither are game changers but both solid. Camp could be special but is consistently hurt. 

If you have a chance at drafting a guy who you feel sets himself apart from the other WRs and can hopefully pair with Perriman for years, you must pull the trigger imo.

[gtalk12]

15 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

even if he starts opposite Smith, if healthy the Ravens will look to incorporate Perriman into the offense as much as possible. Wallace was the #1 option in Mia he won't be here. 

When I talk about him being like Jacoby I speak in terms of how he will be used and what his long term role will be. Not necessarily production. Yes he is the best WR outside of Smitty but he's still on a 1 year deal. If younger guys like Aiken, Camp, draft pick(Doctson) and especially Perriman develop, stay healthy and continue to show promise the Ravens won't hesitate to turn the keys to the offense over to those guys. Wallace will be 30 this season and 31 next, that's not old but it's also not young. 

The Jacoby comparison comes from Wallace being brought in as a #2 speedy deep threat type, but if those younger guys develop, mainly Perriman and Doctson(?) or whomever can develop into strong possession move the chains type of #2 WR, then Wallace will be pushed down the roster much like Jacoby was. Wallace would have to really light this offense up or the young guys flop for him to be a long term option imo.

 

Based on health alone, at this point Wallace is our #1, but I see what are you are saying for the long term.

I think he will, based on everything I saw during his time in South Florida. Those short slant routes he did well with fit perfect here with us and Flacco's arm. I expect Flacco to go back to basics because of his injury. On tape, Flacco was throwing off his back foot a lot....

 

 

[gtalk12]

14 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

There is the issue. The group is filled with guys who need to develop but even when/if they don't you're not really looking at any game changers. The WR group is filled with a bunch of cast offs and UDFAs. Aiken is proving to be the exception of the bunch but you can't really put much confidence in the WRs in terms of continuing to build your team. 

The Ravens have a ton of guys who are similar and not many of them bring anything special. The hope is that Perriman is special, but then what do you have. Aiken and Butler are very similar. Neither are game changers but both solid. Camp could be special but is consistently hurt. 

If you have a chance at drafting a guy who you feel sets himself apart from the other WRs and can hopefully pair with Perriman for years, you must pull the trigger imo.

Aiken to me looks like what Demetrius Williams was suppose to be. Aiken is definitely a good WR, Camp is special, his health is the issue and I hope his body can overcome everything.

 

Nobody on our squad has anything on Wallace at this point with the exception of SSS. I agree, if we feel there is a game changer out there than yes we should def take him. That being said? I don't see us drafting a WR in the 1st round.

 

All those TE's we have will come to good use, I think we are going to be fine with the WR's we have. We just need to be healthy, maybe our conversation changes is Perriman lights up the scoreboard and becomes the #1 we drafted him to be.

[balfan23]

It is hard to predict - this is an organization that doesn't just pay lip service to the notion of best player available in the draft, they generally walk the walk. That said, if 2 guys are available that are in the same tier on our board, we'll go with a set group of positions as a priority. 

IMO - when we reach that point, the positions that will get weighted more heavily will be OT, DE, OLB and CB. 

[Gtown Purple]

The addition of Wallace and Watson gives us alot of options. I don't expect us to do WR in this draft unless one falls way off projection. I expect a defense heavy draft and maybe some oline depth. Only way we go skill position on offense is if someone slides way down.

[GrimCoconut]

9 hours ago, Gtown Purple said:

The addition of Wallace and Watson gives us alot of options. I don't expect us to do WR in this draft unless one falls way off projection. I expect a defense heavy draft and maybe some oline depth. Only way we go skill position on offense is if someone slides way down.

We still need a WR. I really don't like this WR class. I think we'll likely pass until the fourth round unless someone falls unexpectedly like Coleman, Treadwell, or Doctson to us in the second, or Boyd falls to us in the third. Sterling is also possible in the third, but I think he'll go earlier than expected. 

I really like Kolby Listenbee and Malcolm Mitchell as options for us, as well as Mike Thomas not Michael. I think they'll be possible fourth round guys, but I can see them going in the third or higher. Listenbee is my favorite.

[Ravensfan23]

On 3/26/2016 at 0:02 PM, gtalk12 said:

 

Based on health alone, at this point Wallace is our #1, but I see what are you are saying for the long term.

I think he will, based on everything I saw during his time in South Florida. Those short slant routes he did well with fit perfect here with us and Flacco's arm. I expect Flacco to go back to basics because of his injury. On tape, Flacco was throwing off his back foot a lot....

 

 

I'm very interested in seeing how the passing game will look. I'm all for Wallace getting back to being one of the most dynamic play makers at the WR position.

I'd say based on the current state of the WRs there isn't a true #1 in terms of forcing the offense through him like we did with Smitty last year. However if Smitty and Perriman are 100% I think Aiken resumes that lead WR role and Wallace will be factored in based on how well he learns and adapts to the offense.

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

We still need a WR. I really don't like this WR class. I think we'll likely pass until the fourth round unless someone falls unexpectedly like Coleman, Treadwell, or Doctson to us in the second, or Boyd falls to us in the third. Sterling is also possible in the third, but I think he'll go earlier than expected. 

I really like Kolby Listenbee and Malcolm Mitchell as options for us, as well as Mike Thomas not Michael. I think they'll be possible fourth round guys, but I can see them going in the third or higher. Listenbee is my favorite.

Yea a WR is definitely still needed. How early and how much are you willing to invest is the question. I've been saying I feel Doctson will fall to us in the 2nd round because I don't think many people love this WR class. 

The Ravens spoke about adding Steelers type speed. I could definitely see a guy like Fuller added if he's there in the 2ND. Short term it would appear not to make since but long term you'd basically have exactly what you want from Wallace but from a younger guy. Perriman and Fuller with Flacco would be deadly while Aiken, Camp, Gilmore and Maxx moving the chains the future of the offense could be scary, especially if Waller could develop into a stretch TE. 

I could also see Braxton Miller added with the value that Harbs place on return guys. Miller would be an all purpose type guy  that would be developed by Bobby Engram. But I probably wouldn't draft him until the 4th round but he'll probably be gone by the 2ND.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I say a prayer every night that God will let Anquan Boldin finish his career in Baltimore. Although it seems more unlikely that not...Boldin is still a beast at 40 or however old he is. He damn near  couldn't have gotten any slower but we all know its his short-intermediate work and stellar route running and veteran savvy that keeps him a dangerous safety valve to throw to. He's old he's old he's old...I get it. But dude shows every hear that he is still got plenty of gas to run on. We called him old when we cut him and he put up a 200 yard game that created ita own thread on here of people...including me missing the hell out of him. Slim chance we get him after signing Mike Wallce but Ozzie's GOTTA be thinking about it.

 

BPA is BPA but I sure hope we dont draft a WR with an early pick. Seems like a thinner class, we still got that Perriman guy (sarcasm) no one knows anything about, and with Steve Smith hopefully coming back, the emergence of Kamar Aiken and Wallace signing I hope that will allow us to aim for other holes like CB/OT/PassRusher with the first couple picks although we could probably use 1 more guy behind Aiken.

 

[1/28/01]

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 9:06 AM, jac_gerard said:

i think wallace,perriman,smith and camp are gonna be great...i have just one observation on Joe. he has a great arm..is it only me--why does he consistently put too much air under the ball on deep passes??? he needs to throw it more on a line to take advantage of wallace's and perriman's speed.  he seems to always under throw the deep balls. he obviously has the arm to put it on a line like rodgers or ben.really needs to do better with this

Yes, this has been a problem of his for a while now.  Hope he works it out.  I can't stand cringing on every deep ball thrown these days. 

[usmccharles]

24 minutes ago, 1/28/01 said:

Yes, this has been a problem of his for a while now.  Hope he works it out.  I can't stand cringing on every deep ball thrown these days. 

Every time he launches it deep I feel like its an INT.  I wonder if he puts so much air under it because he has no confidence in the WR

[MTRavensFan]

9 hours ago, Purple_ICE 81 said:

I say a prayer every night that God will let Anquan Boldin finish his career in Baltimore. Although it seems more unlikely that not...Boldin is still a beast at 40 or however old he is. He damn near  couldn't have gotten any slower but we all know its his short-intermediate work and stellar route running and veteran savvy that keeps him a dangerous safety valve to throw to. He's old he's old he's old...I get it. But dude shows every hear that he is still got plenty of gas to run on. We called him old when we cut him and he put up a 200 yard game that created ita own thread on here of people...including me missing the hell out of him. Slim chance we get him after signing Mike Wallce but Ozzie's GOTTA be thinking about it.

 

As much as I would love for Q to come back, I just don't see it happening. There were some pretty hard feelings about the way we handled that trade (and rightfully so) ; given a choice I think he'll go elsewhere. 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

As much as I would love for Q to come back, I just don't see it happening. There were some pretty hard feelings about the way we handled that trade (and rightfully so) ; given a choice I think he'll go elsewhere. 

Agree.  Plus, with signing Wallace it wouldn't make a lot of sense signing another WR. 

[757RavensFan]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Every time he launches it deep I feel like its an INT.  I wonder if he puts so much air under it because he has no confidence in the WR

For the life of me I don't know why Flacco puts so much air under his deep passes.  Even when he was throwing to his fastest guys, 90% of the time they had to slow down to catch it or it resulted in a DPI.

Ironically, the best pass I saw all year was the pass from Mallet vs the Steelers.  He threw an absolute frozen rope to the receiver on the left side of the field for a huge gain. Can't remember who he threw it to. 

Edited March 28, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

For the life of me I don't know why Flacco puts so much air under his deep passes.  Even when he was throwing to his fastest guys, 90% of the time they had to slow down to catch it or get interfered with. 

Ironically, the best pass I saw all year was the pass from Mallet vs the Steelers.  He threw an absolute frozen rope to the receiver on the left side of the field for a huge gain. Can't remember who he threw it to. 

I think putting the air under it as bc it leaves more of a margin for error. If you put the ball on a rope, you've got to be pretty precise on the timing and accuracy for a completion. Putting it up high puts a little more on the WR's plate, but the hope is if he tracks it right and the throw is short he can slow up earlier and time his steps, or gives him time to speed up and go get it if the throw is long. Plus, that ball coming straight down makes it easier to jump and go get... like we saw on Rodgers 2 hail mary plays this year. Both of those throws were Joe Flacco type throws, and allowed his receiver to time it right, position himself, and out jump the defenders.

It decreases the likelihood of a catch and run for sure. But i do think it increases the overall likelihood of success on the throw. It also allows time for our receiver to get positioning on the defender and slow up in his path to draw PI. Joe and Torrey got really good at that, and so continued to use it as a weapon since it was easier and more effective than having to make the catch.

So, i think it depends on the receiver he's throwing too... and unfortunately he got used to throwing deep to Torrey who he probably didnt trust to track the ball, time his steps, or go up and win a contested catch when necessary so he had to throw these high bombs to give Torrey more of an advantage.

Maybe with a better route runner, and more polished guy like Wallace we'll see Joe throwing a better deep ball. If so, its gonna be a dangerous pairing. Though with Perriman's size and strength, I could see him still preferring to put air under it when throwing to him, bc he can out leap defenders to the ball more easily.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think putting the air under it as bc it leaves more of a margin for error. If you put the ball on a rope, you've got to be pretty precise on the timing and accuracy for a completion. Putting it up high puts a little more on the WR's plate, but the hope is if he tracks it right and the throw is short he can slow up earlier and time his steps, or gives him time to speed up and go get it if the throw is long. Plus, that ball coming straight down makes it easier to jump and go get... like we saw on Rodgers 2 hail mary plays this year. Both of those throws were Joe Flacco type throws, and allowed his receiver to time it right, position himself, and out jump the defenders.

It decreases the likelihood of a catch and run for sure. But i do think it increases the overall likelihood of success on the throw. It also allows time for our receiver to get positioning on the defender and slow up in his path to draw PI. Joe and Torrey got really good at that, and so continued to use it as a weapon since it was easier and more effective than having to make the catch.

So, i think it depends on the receiver he's throwing too... and unfortunately he got used to throwing deep to Torrey who he probably didnt trust to track the ball, time his steps, or go up and win a contested catch when necessary so he had to throw these high bombs to give Torrey more of an advantage.

Maybe with a better route runner, and more polished guy like Wallace we'll see Joe throwing a better deep ball. If so, its gonna be a dangerous pairing. Though with Perriman's size and strength, I could see him still preferring to put air under it when throwing to him, bc he can out leap defenders to the ball more easily.

I love when other people understand this rather than saying "lol Joe can't actually throw a deep ball that good you fanboys"

[Purple_ICE 81]

6 hours ago, MTRavensFan said:

As much as I would love for Q to come back, I just don't see it happening. There were some pretty hard feelings about the way we handled that trade (and rightfully so) ; given a choice I think he'll go elsewhere. 

I dont think there were hard feelings given that it was  a business decision and I think Boldin understood that. We flat out couldnt afford him, instead of cutting him we traded him to a team willing to keep his salary and give him an extension. Boldin always said he loved Baltimore and would like to finish his career here before we traded him. We were rebuilding at the time and just couldn't afford him after he played as well as he did in the postseason. He had the upper hand in that scenario and we bit the bullet due to his cap hit/age. 

 

It was a pipe dream post lol I had about 10 Easter IPAs and got to thinking what if we did end up signing him again. It would be great to have him back. 

[larenas23]

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

For the life of me I don't know why Flacco puts so much air under his deep passes.  Even when he was throwing to his fastest guys, 90% of the time they had to slow down to catch it or it resulted in a DPI.

Ironically, the best pass I saw all year was the pass from Mallet vs the Steelers.  He threw an absolute frozen rope to the receiver on the left side of the field for a huge gain. Can't remember who he threw it to. 

I think the pass you are referring to is the one to Juszczyk? Man what a game that was!

Edited March 28, 2016 by larenas23

[Cillmatic]

4 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

For the life of me I don't know why Flacco puts so much air under his deep passes.  Even when he was throwing to his fastest guys, 90% of the time they had to slow down to catch it or it resulted in a DPI.

Ironically, the best pass I saw all year was the pass from Mallet vs the Steelers.  He threw an absolute frozen rope to the receiver on the left side of the field for a huge gain. Can't remember who he threw it to. 

Flacco's definitely not the best when it comes to throwing deep, it's a shame too because he has one of the biggest arms I've ever seen.

[gtalk12]

20 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

We still need a WR. I really don't like this WR class. I think we'll likely pass until the fourth round unless someone falls unexpectedly like Coleman, Treadwell, or Doctson to us in the second, or Boyd falls to us in the third. Sterling is also possible in the third, but I think he'll go earlier than expected. 

I really like Kolby Listenbee and Malcolm Mitchell as options for us, as well as Mike Thomas not Michael. I think they'll be possible fourth round guys, but I can see them going in the third or higher. Listenbee is my favorite.

Yep, that's what I said before. No way we reach for a WR this year in the first or 2nd for that matter.

 

18 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'm very interested in seeing how the passing game will look. I'm all for Wallace getting back to being one of the most dynamic play makers at the WR position.

I'd say based on the current state of the WRs there isn't a true #1 in terms of forcing the offense through him like we did with Smitty last year. However if Smitty and Perriman are 100% I think Aiken resumes that lead WR role and Wallace will be factored in based on how well he learns and adapts to the offense.

 

All healthy I really don't think Aiken is going to be looked at as #1. It's definitely between SSS and Wallace. Both have experience as #1, and Smith is old. Leaving Perriman to play at what we drafted him to be. All those TE's we have now are going to help tremendously I think. I can't wait to see what Flacco does with Trestman.

 

Just need Flacco to throw the ball like he can....not this throwing off the back foot stuff

[gtalk12]

15 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Flacco's definitely not the best when it comes to throwing deep, it's a shame too because he has one of the biggest arms I've ever seen.

Can we argue it's the talent around him? He never seemed to have an issue throwing deep until AFTER the SB run

[rmcjacket23]

21 minutes ago, larenas23 said:

I think the pass you are referring to is the one to Juszczyk? Man what a game that was!

I'm guessing it was this one. Probably the best throw I've ever seen Mallett make. It was to Givens.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000610043/Ryan-Mallett-throws-deep-to-Chris-Givens-for-39-yards

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm guessing it was this one. Probably the best throw I've ever seen Mallett make. It was to Givens.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000610043/Ryan-Mallett-throws-deep-to-Chris-Givens-for-39-yards

 

Yep that's it.   IMO the best throw of the season.  

[larenas23]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm guessing it was this one. Probably the best throw I've ever seen Mallett make. It was to Givens.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000610043/Ryan-Mallett-throws-deep-to-Chris-Givens-for-39-yards

Right on the money.

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm guessing it was this one. Probably the best throw I've ever seen Mallett make. It was to Givens.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000610043/Ryan-Mallett-throws-deep-to-Chris-Givens-for-39-yards

That was pretty sweet.

[Ravensfan23]

4 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

Yep, that's what I said before. No way we reach for a WR this year in the first or 2nd for that matter.

 

 

All healthy I really don't think Aiken is going to be looked at as #1. It's definitely between SSS and Wallace. Both have experience as #1, and Smith is old. Leaving Perriman to play at what we drafted him to be. All those TE's we have now are going to help tremendously I think. I can't wait to see what Flacco does with Trestman.

 

Just need Flacco to throw the ball like he can....not this throwing off the back foot stuff

SSS will definitely be number one if healthy but I definitely think Trestman will rotate the top 4 guys. I don't think anyone will be force feed like Smitty was last year. Maybe Perriman and Wallace will be forced the ball on deep shots 4 or 5 times a game, but I really don't see anyone 8-10 catches like both Smitty and Aiken did last year.

Aiken was the #1 after Smitty when down and was solid. He'll see plenty of time imo.

As far as Joe throwing off his back foot, I expect to see it a ton this year especially early on. He's coming off a ACL and has to not only get comfortable with that but also get comfortable with his oline again. I think it'll take until mid season before Joe is full comfortable in breaking the habit of throwing off his back foot.