What do you folks think about our WR depth chart for 2016? Will we draft a WR?

[Underdogsontop!]

With SSS, Aiken, , Perriman, Marlon and Daniel brown, Camp(which I like), givens, Butler, Mathews, Waller, chuck Jacobs, cam worthy, kaelin clay..... Is there any that I missed? Plus IMO if Josh Doctson or Will fuller is there in the 2nd round I'd be happy to have one of them. Who you think we'll make it and who you think will get cut?? What is your folks outlook for 2016 at WR?

Edited March 9, 2016 by Underdogsontop!

[usmccharles]

SSr- nothing needs to be said, HOFer

Perriman- obviously we don't know, hopefully hes at least what Torrey was, I think better

Marlon Brown- I don't see how he stays on this roster

Daniel Brown- He showed some potential,

Camp- would be awesome, IF he could stay healthy, that's a big if

Givens- pretty sure we aren't bringing him back

Butler- I like him, but cant depend on him too much

Mathews- Potential, but still raw

Waller- Potential, but still raw

Kamar Aiken- don't know how you left him out.  He showed he can be a vital part of the offense, he can move the chains and will be a good #3, I was wrong.

This year I think we will be fine but we have to look to the future as well.  After SSr retires I would not be happy with BP and Aiken as a one two punch.  We have a lot of WRs with potential but that doesn't mean anything.   Us Raven fans know not to expect much from WRs drafted late, so hopefully we address that in the draft round 3 or sooner.  Not too mention if we grab a veteran in FA or a bring in a young guy to see what he has

[RaineV1]

I think we'll definitely bring in a new receiver or two (either through free agency or the draft). In terms of possible free agents, I'd love Marvin Jones, Jermaine Kearse, Sanu, or Benjamin.

Edited March 9, 2016 by RaineV1

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think we'll definitely bring in a new receiver or two (either through free agency or the draft). In terms of possible free agents, I'd love Marvin Jones, Javon Kearse, Sanu, or Benjamin.

I think Benjamin is out of our price range.  I just hope we don't sign Roddy White or Greg Jennings, which is a typical Ravens style signing. 

[FastEddie]

I feel optimistic about WR core. I think we have plenty of #3's and 4's that could evolve into low end 2's. Hoping Perriman can step in this year and light the world on fire taking some pressure off of SSS. As for the rest of our guys, I have huge hopes for Camp. Feel like he could really bring a spark to our offense.

Also feel the same way about Waller and D. Brown that Charles does. These guys have potential and will make the squad for that purpose. Some of these guys I think are wearing out their welcome considering the limited skill set and lack of advance.

Never been a fan of Aiken, but he's made somewhat of a impact and think he stands as our 3rd receiver no matter how bad we want him to be a #2. I just feel like he cant be trusted during game day and disappears or something...don't see much play making ability

Edited March 9, 2016 by FastEddie

[RaineV1]

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think Benjamin is out of our price range.  I just hope we don't sign Roddy White or Greg Jennings, which is a typical Ravens style signing. 

I don't think he'll be that expensive. He's basically a smaller Torrey Smith, but without a Super Bowl ring. Granted I could see a team or two (especially the Packers) falling in love with his speed and trying hard to sign him.

[Ravens4Real]

12 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't think he'll be that expensive. He's basically a smaller Torrey Smith, but without a Super Bowl ring. Granted I could see a team or two (especially the Packers) falling in love with his speed and trying hard to sign him.

Benjamin singing with the Chargerd this afternoon.

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't think he'll be that expensive. He's basically a smaller Torrey Smith, but without a Super Bowl ring. Granted I could see a team or two (especially the Packers) falling in love with his speed and trying hard to sign him.

I could see him getting 5mill plus because of the weak WR FA class.  He could help a lot of teams

[berad]

If it was me, I'd be happy going into the season with...

Steve Smith Sr.

Breshad Perriman

Kamar Aiken

Darren Waller

Michael Campanaro

Daniel Brown

That means not bringing back Givens, Marlon, and some others. I left Butler out because I'm unsure of his contract status but would like to see him again. That's a group of 6-7 players, that's generally how many we've been carrying into a season.

However, I'd still like to see at least one addition of a guy with some return experience and production - it's an issue we had most of last year. I'm sure there are some in the draft, and I wouldn't be upset to snag one.

[Purple_City39]

Steve Smith Sr. - starter unless he can't due to health

Breshard Perriman - starter unless he can't due to health (which would be sad)

Kamar Aiken - Probably the #3 unless we bring in someone (high draft pick or FA)

Draft pick - There will be one and if he's drafted in round 3 or lower, he'll start behind Aiken

Darren Waller - The potential is there and I think he'll get at least another season to show it.

Daniel Brown/Free agent - Daniel Brown's status depends on if they bring anyone in during free agency

Notably, I'm not putting Michael Campanero on my list because I feel he'll likely develop some injury in preseason and this would be the year they just let him walk because of it (probably final cuts).  Aiken and SSS can both work the slot and can both actually stay on the field.  With all the injuries in recent seasons, I can see them cutting an injury prone player who hasn't really contributed much in two years

[757RavensFan]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

SSr- nothing needs to be said, HOFer

Perriman- obviously we don't know, hopefully hes at least what Torrey was, I think better

Marlon Brown- I don't see how he stays on this roster

Daniel Brown- He showed some potential,

Camp- would be awesome, IF he could stay healthy, that's a big if

Givens- pretty sure we aren't bringing him back

Butler- I like him, but cant depend on him too much

Mathews- Potential, but still raw

Waller- Potential, but still raw

Kamar Aiken- don't know how you left him out. 

The only one I'm iffy about is Butler.  He's a training camp and pre-season beast, but doesn't make it on the field during the reg season. 

CAMP is a different color green, b/c he stays in the training room.  If he can make it through training camp, he'll make the team.  But that's a big IF.   

[ellicottraven]

If Doctson falls to us in the second round, I can't see how we don't take him. He's simply that good. But, I doubt very much he makes it out of the first round. We'll still take a WR in the top 4 rounds and thrown him in the mix at WR and let the logjam figure itself out.

[Kid87]

I just want Kamar Aiken back...he is a solid #2 and Draft Shepherd or Fuller 

Edited March 9, 2016 by Kid87

[Underdogsontop!]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think we'll definitely bring in a new receiver or two (either through free agency or the draft). In terms of possible free agents, I'd love Marvin Jones, Javon Kearse, Sanu, or Benjamin.

Maybe Mike Wallace? He'd have to come for cheap though. I'd think it could be possible with how  quiet  he's been with the Vikings. Remember how good he used to be with the ssqueeelers? No one really knew Antonio brown as much as now.

[Underdogsontop!]

31 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

If Doctson falls to us in the second round, I can't see how we don't take him. He's simply that good. But, I doubt very much he makes it out of the first round. We'll still take a WR in the top 4 rounds and thrown him in the mix at WR and let the logjam figure itself out.

That's exactly what I was thinking regardless of the holes elsewhere. He reminds me like a Keenan Allen and possibly could be better.  QB T. Boykin spoke so hiGhly of Doctson on how he's a security blanket and he just throws the ball to him and Doctson will go and get it. A lot of Ravens fans where upset we didn't take Keenan in the 2nd, which I think chargers got a steal in the 3rd with him. Guess we got to wait and see......?

[PolishRifle]

Yes, we need to. Lets not buy into "we have great depth at the WR position" a third season in a row.

[thieverycorporation]

14 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

Yes, we need to. Lets not buy into "we have great depth at the WR position" a third season in a row.

We need serious help in the dept yet nah sayers can't see it until the games begin and lost due to the lack of ability to score and often. Part of the narrative has been how clutch Tucker has been for us and to me it's quoted way to often but it is a plus not a way of winning consistently. To close the gap we have to address the position even more aggressively then those that have subscribed years ago. When you look at teams like the Patriots, Bronco's, Seahawks they all have multiple weapons that contribute weekly. They spread the ball around and they incorporate players that lend themselves to that ideology. Sure you may win a game or two with only 9 points on the board. I think what we miss on in free agency is the niche players that have that swiss army knife quality on the offense. Defense has been just about perfected. Example a Forte would have been the perfect antidote for the ailing passing game and would have served us well to have had acquired him. Similar to a Percy Harvin type. We need a joint mindset of run / pass. When you tell your opponent how your blueprint was rendered merely allows your blueprint to schemed and picked apart. Oh we are going to run first ! Why ? Because you don't have passing game with viable parts in place. I the evolution is long over due. If we can't see we need the Forte' type in the Backfield, dual speed hands guys in the slot, Blocking tightends with hands that can find the soft spot in defenses, W/Y guys that run multiple routes then we're done. There are those types currently available via the draft and a few in our price range. Here's something bold for you.

I'd take Mallet off our books and offer him up in a trade to a team enriched with draft picks. Trade him to them and fleece the draft for 2nd, 3rd, and 1st 2017 and 3rd 2017. Allowing them to select this year and next without being crushed and enticing them into the trade. We'd have 1, 2,2,3,3,4,4,4, 5 and next year we'd be set as we'll likely not net any comp picks of any real consequence. Osemele isn't a given. People will scoff but really The Bronco's, Rams and Cowboys are one injury /failed draft project away from losing game one. 

Who would I bring in/two RG3 cost nothing on both ends Mallet contract amounts to chump change/ RG3 same

Edited March 10, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[usmccharles]

34 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

 

I'd take Mallet off our books and offer him up in a trade to a team enriched with draft picks. Trade him to them and fleece the draft for 2nd, 3rd, and 1st 2017 and 3rd 2017. Allowing them to select this year and next without being crushed and enticing them into the trade. We'd have 1, 2,2,3,3,4,4,4, 5 and next year we'd be set as we'll likely not net any comp picks of any real consequence. Osemele isn't a given. People will scoff but really The Bronco's, Rams and Cowboys are one injury /failed draft project away from losing game one. 

Who would I bring in/two RG3 cost nothing on both ends Mallet contract amounts to chump change/ RG3 same

You think someone is going to give us a 2 3 and a future 1 for Ryan Mallet?  Where you one of the guys saying he needs to be our starter? no one is giving up a second for Mallet, let alone all that.

What do you mean OSemele isn't a given?

[Maryland]

I feel like the only locks to make the roster are SS89, Perriman, and Aiken. Everyone else needs to prove they are worth a roster spot. 

They said they will look for multiple WRs in the draft and FA. They will probably dip into the bargain bin in FA (Roddy White or Mike Wallace, for example) and draft a WR somewhere on day 2 and/or day 3. 

We really should draft one of the many decent day-2 WRs, since we will need a solid WR after SS89 retires, someone who is more of a possession receiver to compliment Perriman. Tyler Boyd would be my favorite pick, but there are some other solid options. Braxton Miller could be pretty exciting if he develops (and learning behind SSS as a 4th WR for a year would really help him develop); Michael Thomas would be a solid big-bodied receiver; Doctson can make some difficult catches (but he isn't great at 50/50 balls); Sterling Shepard could be a decent, reliable slot receiver. 

I see Aiken as a #3 WR. Putting up stats as the de facto #1 on a bad team has been done before; it doesn't make you a good receiver. Marlon Brown put up some nice stats as a rookie out of circumstance, Chris Givens too (at STL). Aiken struggled with separation at times and made some big mistakes (drive-killing drops, untimely fumbles). I would compare him to someone like Harry Douglass, a guy who is a really solid 3rd option. /Oh, and Aiken could leave as a UFA in 2017 anyway; more reason to draft a WR

Edited March 10, 2016 by Maryland

[thieverycorporation]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

You think someone is going to give us a 2 3 and a future 1 for Ryan Mallet?  Where you one of the guys saying he needs to be our starter? no one is giving up a second for Mallet, let alone all that.

What do you mean OSemele isn't a given?

Yes to the first question as I see desperation on the part of some teams to get a veteran on onboard that could possibly start immediately. Secondly Mallet does offer some upside with most of the intangibles to succeed. Arm strength, accuracy, high footballIQ, health, low monetary cost initially, new improved sample size of on/off field concerns within a well structured organization with successful outcomes regarding both. Is he the ideal candidate maybe not. But he has experience and is looking to rebound his own stock by the looks of it. Maybe my pick haul is skewed however I believe he offers great value and at least one team left out in the dust or needs a veteran presence with clear upside would take a draft flyer on him. With the lack alternatives being obvious.  

Many think they (Bronco's) will go for a trade involving a Colin Kapernick via the 49er's whom has a huge contract relative to a Mallet 

 

[GrimCoconut]

I'll book my tickets to the Draft if Ozzie gets that kind of compensation for Ryan Mallett. I'd be thrilled if we got a 6th for him. The Patriots got a 7th for him when they traded him to the Texans. 

[Supychou]

There is just no way Doctson is there in the 2nd. He was already considered among the best WRs (#2 behind Treadwell) and after his big showing at the Combine, teams will fall in love with him. Top20.

I do like our depth tho. Aiken is a real value that can be a good #1, so if he plays as a #2 or #3, he'll just be a beast. Hopefully, Perriman will show why he was taken in the 1st round and with our loved SSS, the position looks really strong.
If Campa can stay healthy, if Butler can show more during regular games and if Daniel Brown/Darren Waller pass that 1st year stage, it could be pretty neat.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Supychou

[Purple_City39]

8 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

I'd take Mallet off our books and offer him up in a trade to a team enriched with draft picks. Trade him to them and fleece the draft for 2nd, 3rd, and 1st 2017 and 3rd 2017. Allowing them to select this year and next without being crushed and enticing them into the trade. We'd have 1, 2,2,3,3,4,4,4, 5 and next year we'd be set as we'll likely not net any comp picks of any real consequence. Osemele isn't a given. People will scoff but really The Bronco's, Rams and Cowboys are one injury /failed draft project away from losing game one. 

Who would I bring in/two RG3 cost nothing on both ends Mallet contract amounts to chump change/ RG3 same

I will proudly and vehemently defend every action Ozzie Newsome ever does (even if he quits Baltimore and goes to another team) for the rest of my football loving life if he manages to get those draft picks for Ryan Mallet. 

[January J]

1)SSS

2)Aiken

3)Perriman

4)Wallace

5)Camp

6) Draftee- ( Boyd, Docston,Sheppard,)

7) Mathews/ D.Brown/Waller/ Clay 

Edited March 10, 2016 by January J

[Sherly_Tebow]

Waller may convert to TE

[ellicottraven]

9 minutes ago, Sherly_Tebow said:

Waller may convert to TE

That's what Harbaugh just said in his presser.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

SSS

Perriman

Aiken

Wallace/Randle/Lafell

Camp

draft pick

[thieverycorporation]

On March 9, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Kid87 said:

I just want Kamar Aiken back...he is a solid #2 and Draft Shepherd or Fuller 

I'll add one to your list. Boyd is the wildcard fallback guy. I'm definitely enamored with his skill set. Straight up route technician. The Ravens need to target him. Fuller in the first if we trade out and down into the teens. Treadwell is the consensus #1 in most peoples book but we need explosion via speed and hands. Fuller showed elite speed and Grim will help the hands/nerves/concentration aspect. Shepard is the slot option but we could also use Boyd there. I think the Redskins lack of movement may also suggest they may need to purge to retool. If Jackson is a casualty then we need to pounce all in. Just a hunch.

Edited March 11, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Wildabeast88]

I would say yes we do need another WR there is good depth this year at the position a 3rd or 4th round pick would be where I would go someone like Shepard could still be there Boyd has fallen in some mocks to the 3rd round but there are just to many unknowns going into the season how healthy will SSS be and is this his last year (I'm not betting against him) Perriman hasn't seen the field Aiken       developed into a solid number 2 who carried the load in the 2nd half Camp has to many questions injuries I like Butler and Daniel Brown but you just don't know for sure and Waller is moving to TE but I don't know I love is speed at a sub 4.5 guy that could be a young Vernon Davis type guy but I don't see how he sees the field as a TE behind Gillmore Williams and Watson plus when Boyle comes back so I would like to see him stay at WR. 

[Halshayeji]

I love it! 

SSS was on pace to 1500 yards just a few months ago. If he comes back even 80 percent of that he's still a quality #1 WR.

Perriman would be a top ten 15 pick in this years draft. Not many teams have a better option for a #2 WR.

K.aiken had close to a thousand yards last year. he has great hands and ran a 4.45 but wasn't nfl ready as a rookie but now he is. Aiken would be the best #3 option

waller and camp are great prospects that could one day turn out to be special.

if Doctson falls to us in the second. Heck why not! He's really really talented thus I don't think he falls that far. I'd bet some teams even have him rated higher than treadwell. I guess drafting a WR depends on us landing a descent 3-4 mil WR we like in case of injury. If we do that I don't see us touching a WR until day 3. If we don't like any we for a good price then we could strike as high as 2nd round just because Sss is retiring soon and Aiken may leave next year.

oh yeah, Joe also has a top 5 TE group both presently and looking into the future.

We are just where ozzie wants to be! And get well soon Joe and let me fly...