Osemele likely gone

[Inqui]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Hating on Stanley seems to be the cool thing right now for whatever reason.  You know my feelings on him.  Some struggles in the run game but his technique in the pass game is all world.

Yeah, and I honestly think a year in an NFL weights program would do him the world of good. Tyron Smith had similar concerns iirc, and the Cowboys aren't regretting taking him over Watt. And I think he's a perfect fit for a ZBS

Usually I don't wade into these discussions for the same reason I don't get too invested in Ravens Talk stuff (and I'm not going to get too bogged down in these arguments in the future), but the doom and gloom about the guy has just been bumming me out lately.

[Ravenseconbeast]

8 hours ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Damn now Stanley will probably be the pick

He is not worth a #6 pick of the draft though...ugh

[GrimCoconut]

I've heard reports before that Tennessee prefers to trade down and so do the Chargers. What if we traded up to get Tunsil? Apparently Tennessee has received quite a few offers to trade up. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

I've heard reports before that Tennessee prefers to trade down and so do the Chargers. What if we traded up to get Tunsil? Apparently Tennessee has received quite a few offers to trade up. 

That means it's a bidding war and I doubt we'll pony up the dough. 

 

But then again... If we feel confident that this draft can rebound us and were picking late next year... Maybe it's worth it. Tennessee would probably have that in mind though and want picks for this year from us

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That means it's a bidding war and I doubt we'll pony up the dough. 

 

But then again... If we feel confident that this draft can rebound us and were picking late next year... Maybe it's worth it. Tennessee would probably have that in mind though and want picks for this year from us

Not necessarily. I have no idea what Tennessee wants but we'll see I suppose. I'd trade a pick this year and next to get Tunsil. Trade a 2016 1st & 3rd and a 2017 2nd. 

[Cillmatic]

I don't think Ozzie moves up, he's pretty conservative with his picks and trading up in the top 5 would be WAY too much for him.

[Jaybirds]

Yeah, if we're just talking about LT, moving back is probably going to work better than trying to move up.  Not saying those guys are better than Tunsil.  They're not.  But the extra pick or two probably makes up a lot of the difference. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I don't think Ozzie moves up, he's pretty conservative with his picks and trading up in the top 5 would be WAY too much for him.

Ozzie tried to trade up for Mack in 2014 when we picked at like 16 overall. So there's that. 

[Inqui]

13 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Not necessarily. I have no idea what Tennessee wants but we'll see I suppose. I'd trade a pick this year and next to get Tunsil. Trade a 2016 1st & 3rd and a 2017 2nd. 

That I could be on board with. I'd be incredibly iffy about giving up a 2016 2nd (even a 2016 3rd isn't too bad) because there's going to be some fantastic value for us with that pick. This is the first year in who knows how long that we've essentially had two 1sts.

The Titans' biggest needs are in the secondary, and while their OL is atrocious LT play isn't their big problem (and it's not difficult to delve into FA or get help in the later rounds for the four positions they do need to upgrade - especially in this class), so I could see them being very open to trading back as long as they stay in the top 5-7. For all we know they might be interested in a guy like Jensen in a trade package too. It depends on what they're asking for and what other offers they're fielding.

Sadly if we trade up for Tunsil I think it'd have to be the Titans or bust. I think Rivers would demand he got traded on the spot if there was any situation where Tunsil was on the board at 3 and didn't become a Charger.

Edited March 9, 2016 by Inqui

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, Inqui said:

That I could be on board with. I'd be incredibly iffy about giving up a 2016 2nd (even a 2016 3rd isn't too bad) because there's going to be some fantastic value for us with that pick. This is the first year in who knows how long that we've essentially had two 1sts.

The Titans' biggest needs are in the secondary, and while their OL is atrocious LT play isn't their big problem (and it's not difficult to delve into FA or get help in the later rounds for the four positions they do need to upgrade - especially in this class), so I could see them being very open to trading back as long as they stay in the top 5-7. For all we know they might be interested in a guy like Jensen in a trade package too. It depends on what they're asking for and what other offers they're fielding.

Sadly if we trade up for Tunsil I think it'd have to be the Titans or bust. I think Rivers would demand he got traded on the spot if there was any situation where Tunsil was on the board at 3 and didn't become a Charger.

Yeah. I'm just throwing around possibilities of how we could make it work. I know I'm in the minority since he doesn't come up around here but I really like Jack Conklin..I think he could play LG or LT at a high level. I doubt Conklin makes it to us with our 2nd round pick but that would be the mega steal imo. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

50 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've heard reports before that Tennessee prefers to trade down and so do the Chargers. What if we traded up to get Tunsil? Apparently Tennessee has received quite a few offers to trade up. 

In this case does Eugene Monroe have any sort of trade value along with picks? That way they still get a OT and can still pick up a guy they'd like with 6th pick on top of other picks as well. I would be willing to give up a lot for Tunsil....

[Inqui]

Just now, ngatainmyhouse said:

In this case does Eugene Monroe have any sort of trade value along with picks? That way they still get a OT and can still pick up a guy they'd like with 6th pick on top of other picks as well. I would be willing to give up a lot for Tunsil....

We got Monroe for a 4th and a 5th, and with how he's fared here I'd say his value has only gone down. We got a late 6th for Boldin, and that was after he came off a brilliant Super Bowl-winning run, so if we traded Monroe I honestly think he'd be in "whatever we get for him because it's better than cutting him for nothing" territory.

[L.A.Ravens]

12 million a year. Not worth it. He's a Raider now, no longer a Raven so we shouldn't give him another second of our thoughts.

Edited March 9, 2016 by L.A.Ravens

[sflegend89]

Not to say Stanley would be a reach at #6 but there will be better players available in all likelihood (Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, VH3). Spent some more time watching Stanley's game tape this week in light of KO's imminent departure and I'm pretty mixed on him. Was pleasantly surprised with his athleticism and technique but he got driven backwards too much for my liking. NFL Edge rushers are bigger, stronger, and nastier than the guys he faced in college which concerns me. Also pretty average run blocker as others have pointed out, he can put a body on somebody but he's nothing to get excited about.

I see a high ceiling though, has the size/athleticism to be a pro bowl LT but he's a bit of a project to pick that high. Definitely needs to get stronger. I just have a hard time believing he will be BPA, we have a real shot at landing Bosa imo.

[ellicottraven]

5 yrs 60MM for Osemele? Thanks but no thanks. Good luck K.O and Raiders! We'll make do without him. We've already paid Flacco 22.1 M a year and you still have a QB on his rookie deal. You can afford it but we can't.

[RavensFanMania]

11 hours ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Damn now Stanley will probably be the pick

Stanley would be a very good pick and imo a better LT than K.O.  K.O. was sloppy at Tackle the last few games of the season.  He's an awesome guard, but not 12 million / season worth.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Stanley would be a very good pick and imo a better LT than K.O.  K.O. was sloppy at Tackle the last few games of the season.  He's an awesome guard, but not 12 million / season worth.

Stanley apparently doesn't love football and wishes he was a volleyball player according to some (I made the volleyball part up, sue me). Who can blame him after those Dead or Alive games, though? Amiryt?

Edited March 9, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Maryland]

In a few hours we'll know if Monroe is cut. That will probably be a better indication of our direction going forward than KO leaving. 

Although I think regardless of Monroe's situation they will be drafting a developmental LT prospect such as Spriggs or Ifedi and probably play some stop-gap at LT in the meantime, be it Monroe or some cheap FA acquisition. 

As for LG, I think Urschel becomes the replacement there while Jensen becomes the utility backup. Or they could play whomever they draft at OT at LG ala Ogden his rookie season. 

Edited March 9, 2016 by Maryland
realized I said hurst instead of Urschel LOL

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

As for LG, I think Hurst becomes the replacement there while Jensen becomes the utility backup. Or they could play whomever they draft at OT at LG ala Ogden his rookie season. 

I think Urschel is the one most likely to become the new starting G. He already started games at guard in the playoffs and did very well.

[Winchester]

18 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I need to vrush up on shon coleman. Good examples of film?

 

Awesome player!! Known for athleticism but shows more power than typical left tackle!! He destroyed Sheldon Rankins!! Which shows more strength than typical left tackles. Plays like a prime Chad Clifton but more athletic. From what I heard lately he and Willie Beavers will jump Conklin and Decker.

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Urschel is the one most likely to become the new starting G. He already started games at guard in the playoffs and did very well.

Would prefer Ursch at center and Jensen at guard. Jensen is a future pro bowl candidate.people do not realize how strong and athletic Jensen is!! His 3cone is better than most left tackles.

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, Winchester said:

 

Awesome player!! Known for athleticism but shows more power than typical left tackle!! He destroyed Sheldon Rankins!! Which shows more strength than typical left tackles. Plays like a prime Chad Clifton but more athletic. From what I heard lately he and Willie Beavers will jump Conklin and Decker.

If they both jump that high, then there's a good chance of Decker or Conklin falling to us in the second.  I'm intrigued.  Any chance you have a link to those reports?  I'd love to read up on that and get too optimistic. 

[GrimCoconut]

37 minutes ago, Winchester said:

 

Awesome player!! Known for athleticism but shows more power than typical left tackle!! He destroyed Sheldon Rankins!! Which shows more strength than typical left tackles. Plays like a prime Chad Clifton but more athletic. From what I heard lately he and Willie Beavers will jump Conklin and Decker.

I like Coleman and I think Castillo does him well but I wouldn't take him all that high myself. He has great potential but he needs real work and he's not as natural in pass pro as I prefer. I love Beavers quite a bit but I'm surprised by the Conklin remark. I like him quite a bit. Conklin plays nasty and is similar to KO imo.

[Winchester]

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Coleman and I think Castillo does him well but I wouldn't take him all that high myself. He has great potential but he needs real work and he's not as natural in pass pro as I prefer. I love Beavers quite a bit but I'm surprised by the Conklin remark. I like him quite a bit. Conklin plays nasty and is similar to KO imo.

 

Although I only watched Conklin's play with Buckner I kinda like him. I do not yet know the reason but alot(not all) of scouts are beginning to sour on him. I Do not have any idea why as of yet.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, Winchester said:

 

Although I only watched Conklin's play with Buckner I kinda like him. I do not yet know the reason but alot(not all) of scouts are beginning to sour on him. I Do not have any idea why as of yet.

I'd be thrilled if everyone saw it this way and he falls to the Ravens in the second round. I really think Conklin will be a good player. I personally watched quite a lot of MSU games last year and saw them live because of my school and I was impressed.

He handled competition very well, locked onto DL, and handled them as well as any OL prospect this year. I really like his low stance and how he comes out of it. He's not the most fleet of feet but his feet aren't at all slow and he handled Joey Bosa rather well. He also played very well against Alabama in that playoff game or whatever. 

[Jacquouille]

Yeah, so our 2nd round should be dedicated to drafting a faller OT. Between Coleman, Decker, Conklin, Spriggs or maybe Ifedi (call that a reach Flex, but he's been mocked a couple times to the Broncos), we should have some good boys.

[atomicfront]

If the team is really about best player available than it really doesn't matter that Osemele is going to the Raiders.  It shouldn't effect their selection.  They can always hope for the best for Monroe and pick a tackle in the latter rounds.  Or get one in the free agent market.  If they think someone like Bosa is going to be a beast and Stanley is going to just be a steady left tackle than they would be fools to take Stanley. 

[Cawtious]

16 hours ago, Maryland said:

In a few hours we'll know if Monroe is cut. That will probably be a better indication of our direction going forward than KO leaving.

Although I think regardless of Monroe's situation they will be drafting a developmental LT prospect such as Spriggs or Ifedi and probably play some stop-gap at LT in the meantime, be it Monroe or some cheap FA acquisition.

As for LG, I think Urschel becomes the replacement there while Jensen becomes the utility backup. Or they could play whomever they draft at OT at LG ala Ogden his rookie season.

Being Jensen's last year as an ERFA, he will not be content nor would it be wise for him to be in the role of a back up player.  He left last season as the tenured starter at LG.  I think it is his job to keep or lose.  Urschel, while very intelligent and able does not have the "Mr. Nasty" factor your left guard needs.  Jensen also has a quicker first step, and is explosive into the second level when blocking. His attitude and athleticism will serve Flacco and our running game well.  I predict he has a big year and is not polishing any pine.

 

Edited March 10, 2016 by Cawtious

[ngatainmyhouse]

24 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Being Jensen's last year as an ERFA, he will not be content nor would it be wise for him to be in the role of a back up player.  He left last season as the tenured starter at LG.  I think it is his job to keep or lose.  Urschel, while very intelligent and able does not have the "Mr. Nasty" factor your left guard needs.  Jensen also has a quicker first step, and is explosive into the second level when blocking. His attitude and athleticism will serve Flacco and our running game well.  I predict he has a big year and is not polishing any pine.

 

why not have Jensen at LG and keep Urschel at Center?

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, Cawtious said:

Being Jensen's last year as an ERFA, he will not be content nor would it be wise for him to be in the role of a back up player.  He left last season as the tenured starter at LG.  I think it is his job to keep or lose.  Urschel, while very intelligent and able does not have the "Mr. Nasty" factor your left guard needs.  Jensen also has a quicker first step, and is explosive into the second level when blocking. His attitude and athleticism will serve Flacco and our running game well.  I predict he has a big year and is not polishing any pine.

 

I guess it is wrong of me to assume Urschel is automatically ahead of Jensen for the vacant LG spot. There should be an open competition between the two for that LG spot.

Jensen diagnosing his sleep apnea issue really saved his career lol