Osemele likely gone

[CalRavenFan]

I know some will scream that we are letting our good players go, but KO said at the beginning of TC last year that he was hitting the FA market this year.  He wanted it.  I think the Ravens KNEW this and put him at LT the last 4 games for two reasons.

 

First, if he fails there he'd eat some humble pie and perhaps LG at the Ravens doesn't look so bad.

 

Second, if he succeeds, then he was leaving anyway and some team will OVERPAY as usual, thinking a guard/tackle will be their difference maker and thus assuring that the Ravens will receive a Rd 3 compensatory pick in '17.  Better than nothing.

 

I personally think they played this hand perfectly.

 

With that said I'd prefer to keep him rather than spend a high pick at LT or guard.  

 

Good luck KO, enjoy Oaktown, it's the armpit of America.

[Boddiebroadus]

Damn now Stanley will probably be the pick

[RavensDieHard21]

I wish him the best of luck and he was great while he was here, but he just adds to the trend that professional sports players in this era all lack team loyalty and would rather get paid more money than win championships. I can't blame him because I'd bet his deal will be insane, probably 5 years, $60 million and that money could help him and his family tremendously. I am interested to know the Ravens offer now. Free agency always makes me appreciate true ravens such as Ray, Ed, JO, Suggs, Yanda, Flacco, etc... All players who love their team and winning, not just extra money..

[Jaybirds]

I think this puts a real strain on a draft that was already under pressure.  Including the recent cuts, it looks like we'll want depth at wide receiver, both lines, middle linebacker, corner, and maaaaybe TE depending on Pitta.  Plus the actual upgrades like pass rusher and at least one play maker.  We probably need four starters.  Now it feels like we're looking for quantity AND quality at the same time.  Not a good predicament. 


I'm hoping we'll find depth on a budget in free agency.  Re-signing Wright seems to go with that, bringing back Aiken would help too.  At least we'd be a little less desperate in the first and second rounds of the draft. 

[J-man]

Why is it that drafting possibly the 2nd best OT in the draft is such a bummer for some people? Honestly it's less risky than bringing in a Ramsey or Bosa type and not have them pan out. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I predicted as soon as they put him at lt that they were playing for a 3rd round comp.

[Jacquouille]

8 minutes ago, J-man said:

Why is it that drafting possibly the 2nd best OT in the draft is such a bummer for some people? Honestly it's less risky than bringing in a Ramsey or Bosa type and not have them pan out. 

Because the reward is low, Stanley isn't even great, at least not in our position. 

We should look at options in the second, btw how is Shon Coleman from Auburn ?

[ellicottraven]

The likelihood increases with Osemele all but gone, that the logical choice would be Stanley, unless of course a coveted pick like Ramsey falls. Then I expect them to make a play for Conklin even if it means trading up to land him.

[JustinB]

43 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Damn now Stanley will probably be the pick

Honestly that is the only pick in the first round I would be disappointed with 

[Italian Raven]

11 minutes ago, J-man said:

Why is it that drafting possibly the 2nd best OT in the draft is such a bummer for some people? Honestly it's less risky than bringing in a Ramsey or Bosa type and not have them pan out. 

 

Because the organization stated we're bringing a playmaker in with the #6 and OT is simply not a 'playmaker' by definition. It's a key role but the ravens have starved for turnover machines for years, and there's no better year than this to make it happen.

Also, even though Stanley is considered by manies very close to Tunsil in terms of pass protection, he was WASHED by Shaq Lawson last year.. the second best edge player who's likely going to get drafted in a 8-12 range. 

I wouldn't like the move honestly.

[Jaybirds]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I predicted as soon as they put him at lt that they were playing for a 3rd round comp.

Following through with this idea:  if the front office knew mid-season we were going to lose him, did they groom a replacement?  Are any of the young guys ready to step into LG?  Or even LG and LT if Monroe isn't starting for us? 

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

The likelihood increases with Osemele all but gone, that the logical choice would be Stanley, unless of course a coveted pick like Ramsey falls. Then I expect them to make a play for Conklin even if it means trading up to land him.

Or trading back if certain players are gone. If we could land a one in next years draft by trading back(again,depending on who is available) it might be worth considering. Next years class looks to be strong compared to this year.

[Edgar]

38 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I wish him the best of luck and he was great while he was here, but he just adds to the trend that professional sports players in this era all lack team loyalty and would rather get paid more money than win championships. I can't blame him because I'd bet his deal will be insane, probably 5 years, $60 million and that money could help him and his family tremendously. I am interested to know the Ravens offer now. Free agency always makes me appreciate true ravens such as Ray, Ed, JO, Suggs, Yanda, Flacco, etc... All players who love their team and winning, not just extra money..

I agree with just about everything you said. I do not wish him luck...he has his fortune.

 

 

[Dewy101]

1 hour ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Damn now Stanley will probably be the pick

Ozzie doesn't reach and Stanley would be a pretty big reach at 6 when there's better talent on the board

[usmccharles]

Raiders are building something nice up there....

[Dewy101]

28 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

Following through with this idea:  if the front office knew mid-season we were going to lose him, did they groom a replacement?  Are any of the young guys ready to step into LG?  Or even LG and LT if Monroe isn't starting for us? 

Ryan Jenson actually wasn't that bad. He dominated as a run blocker. 

[Dewy101]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

Raiders are building something nice up there....

They only have a 2 year window. Market value for Carr and Mack is going to be huge if they keep producing. They're going to have to pay them big money as the cap keeps increasing. 

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, Dewy101 said:

Ryan Jenson actually wasn't that bad. He dominated as a run blocker. 

So what if we move Jensen into LG, and keep Monroe?  Does that buy us time to develop a left tackle that isn't Stanley?  Either someone on our roster already or a lower draft pick. 

We have three offensive linemen with three years' experience.  It seems like someone should be able to step up. 

[Jacquouille]

Jensen and Urschel showed plenty of good stuff, I'm more worried about the LT position, we basically have no one behinf Monroe (yes I'm counting Hurst when I say no one)

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Dewy101 said:

They only have a 2 year window. Market value for Carr and Mack is going to be huge if they keep producing. They're going to have to pay them big money as the cap keeps increasing. 

It equals out though.  They have insane amount of cap right now, and will be able to plan ahead pretty well.

[Jacquouille]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

So what if we move Jensen into LG, and keep Monroe?  Does that buy us time to develop a left tackle that isn't Stanley?  Either someone on our roster already or a lower draft pick. 

We have three offensive linemen with three years' experience.  It seems like someone should be able to step up. 

That would work if Monroe can stay on the field. The IF is a big one.

[Jaybirds]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

That would work if Monroe can stay on the field. The IF is a big one.

Agreed.  But "an extra month of development" in my opinion is a different draft pick than "game 1".  Maybe I'm wrong about that, it's not an easy position.  Just seems like it increases the available options if we can buy a little time. 

[PolishRifle]

So now come the "we don't even want him here anymore"-post. Congrats to KO. He's a great player, I wish him luck.

[Jacquouille]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

Agreed.  But "an extra month of development" in my opinion is a different draft pick than "game 1".  Maybe I'm wrong about that, it's not an easy position.  Just seems like it increases the available options if we can buy a little time. 

The problem, imo, is there is no "Day 1 starter" at LT in this class, Tunsil excepted. My favourite option would be a trade back up in the 1st to grab Spriggs or Decker. 

[Jaybirds]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

The problem, imo, is there is no "Day 1 starter" at LT in this class, Tunsil excepted. My favourite option would be a trade back up in the 1st to grab Spriggs or Decker. 

I like Spriggs and Decker.  I don't think they'll be there at 36 (or whatever it is).  But with this development I think we need all the picks we can get.  It's way less cool, but I'd rather trade back for a guy like that than trade up.  We still want a pass rusher (probably defensive end), a wide receiver, and a corner back.  All three should be able to contribute this year.  That's four starters if you add OL. 

Not trying to be critical of your post, but I especially don't want to trade up for a guy who isn't a starter. 

[Dewy101]

15 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

It equals out though.  They have insane amount of cap right now, and will be able to plan ahead pretty well.

Not so much after the osemele signing. Plus they're expected to go after Malik Jackson. They're still going to have to pay Gabe Jackson. On top of that they have no LT. I'm not sure it would be a smart idea to have Osemele play there. 

Edited March 8, 2016 by Dewy101

[Dewy101]

6 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

The problem, imo, is there is no "Day 1 starter" at LT in this class, Tunsil excepted. My favourite option would be a trade back up in the 1st to grab Spriggs or Decker. 

Tunsil and Stanley are both going to play pretty badly their rookie seasons as history has shown. It's not a quick fix IMO. 

[PolishRifle]

I personally hope Myles Jack falls to us, because I'm certain that there are a bunch of teams who have fallen in love with him. We could probably get a good offer for a trade back in that case. I actually prefer Conklin to Spriggs. He might be there in the middle of the first round and I'd gladly take him.

[PolishRifle]

3 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Tunsil and Stanley are both going to play pretty badly their rookie seasons as history has shown. It's not a quick fix IMO. 

Even, if that's true, we'd still need them. Monroe is not our future LT and if he stays and we don't get a LT early, we're stuck with just Eugene and no depth behind him.

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

I personally hope Myles Jack falls to us, because I'm certain that there are a bunch of teams who have fallen in love with him. We could probably get a good offer for a trade back in that case. I actually prefer Conklin to Spriggs. He might be there in the middle of the first round and I'd gladly take him.

Myles Jack is exactly why I'm asking all these questions.  I want Jack to be there at #6.  I want to take him.  I want to switch to Tampa 2 so the old OLBers can get some rest. 

I DON'T want to have to take Stanley even if Jack is there because KO walked.  I think that's what will happen, and it sucks.  So I'm looking for any scenario where we can fill the line without using our first pick.  I think it comes down to using the guys we have, much like when Wagner took over RT.