Myles Jack MLB

[rayven98]

Am I the only one just not seeing it with this guy?  I mean he's ok but picking #6 overall we have got to hit a homerun.  Jack feels more like a intentional walk, you'll take it but not exactly a gamechanger.  Especially since it's not necessarily a position of need.  Zach Orr got some reps last year and i'm willing to see how he progresses, not to mention Darryl smith may be re-signed.  Hargreaves is widely recognized as the best CB in this draft and I feel he's the pick here unless Bosa or Ramsey falls.  I don't see any chance of Ramsey falling and I'm not sure Bosa is a scheme fit.  Hopefully whoever is announced a raven is a flat out stud, but I just don't think Jack is it.

[JoeyFlex5]

You have it backwards. Taking vh3 over jack is a walk, that is settling and forcing yourself to take an inferior player out of necessity. 

 

Myles Jack is by all means a home run. He legitimately could be the 2nd best talent in the draft after tunsil. If an edge rusher of his caliber was in the draft then he would be the most hyped prospect of the 21st century. 

 

Zach orr is a nobody. We have no ilb's on the roster who are not liabilities in coverage and we have to field 2 of them, that's not good, that's 2 liabilities accounting for the entire middle intermediate section of the field. 

 

Taking Jack is a power move. That is our FO saying "we can and will win by fielding the best 11 players we possibly can". Taking vh3 over Jack is almost a desperation move. Make no mistakes about it, ilb is a need, it's just a less sexy need and we've invested there recently so everyone is skeptical.

Edited March 7, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[RavensDieHard21]

54 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You have it backwards. Taking vh3 over jack is a walk, that is settling and forcing yourself to take an inferior player out of necessity. 

 

Myles Jack is by all means a home run. He legitimately could be the 2nd best talent in the draft after tunsil. If an edge rusher of his caliber was in the draft then he would be the most hyped prospect of the 21st century. 

 

Zach orr is a nobody. We have no ilb's on the roster who are not liabilities in coverage and we have to field 2 of them, that's not good, that's 2 liabilities accounting for the entire middle intermediate section of the field. 

 

Taking Jack is a power move. That is our FO saying "we can and will win by fielding the best 11 players we possibly can". Taking vh3 over Jack is almost a desperation move. Make no mistakes about it, ilb is a need, it's just a less sexy need and we've invested there recently so everyone is skeptical.

Amen! I agree. Jack is the real deal. I've read many scouting reports and outside Tunsil, many have him as the next top prospect and his explosiveness, awareness, and versatility make him a huge upgrade to our defense. His tape is unreal, especially in coverage. 

[Tru11]

Oor played poorly and mosley is pretty the only LB we have that can cover and even there he is AVG at best.

Id say having a LBer that can actually cover from side to side line is a huge need.

You are making it that much harder for teams to pass on you if you got a lber taking away the middle of the field to.

Just watch how keuchly/davis , derick johnson,bobby wagner, bowman/willes,trevathan/marshall. collins/mayo made/make a huge difference on defense.

Heck look how teams used to avoid throwing to ray and urlacher over the middle.

Having a lber who can excel in coverage is a huge need and Jack is as talented as they come in that area.

jaylon smith probably the only guy who would have been considered better then him.

[numerounopapi]

Jack is the real deal, period. He is a freak of a football player. This kid is an exceptional talent and with the combination of Mosely and Jack, our defense would be savage. A new era of modern day Ravens football. We are a Defense dominated team and it's about time we start working towards building our next powerhouse defensive powerhouse. If Jack isn't available at #6, I hope we at least pick Buckner. 

[Cillmatic]

There are no home runs in this draft...

[ALPHA]

He's the best coverage linebacker I've seen out of college, better than Urlacher, with elite 4.4 speed and movement skills. He can play any position in the 2nd and 3rd level.

[pitchblack_20]

What is it about Jack that you don't see? Is it because he doesn't make a lot of those eye popping hits? After resigning Wright I doubt we will be taking a CB in the first. But back to Jack, the dude is uber talented and a stud of a player (regardless of position), and I'll take him over Orr and a lot of other MLBs in the game, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas took  Jack ahead of us. I love Ramsey, I just feel like Jack helps the defense more. 

[RaineV1]

7 minutes ago, pitchblack_20 said:

What is it about Jack that you don't see? Is it because he doesn't make a lot of those eye popping hits? After resigning Wright I doubt we will be taking a CB in the first. But back to Jack, the dude is uber talented and a stud of a player (regardless of position), and I'll take him over Orr and a lot of other MLBs in the game, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas took  Jack ahead of us. I love Ramsey, I just feel like Jack helps the defense more. 

I can see Dallas taking him, though I think the Jaguars are the most likely to take him. An extremely rangy, playmaking LB fits with what they're trying to do with their front seven. I'm predicting that Dallas grabs Rasmey.

[pitchblack_20]

27 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I can see Dallas taking him, though I think the Jaguars are the most likely to take him. An extremely rangy, playmaking LB fits with what they're trying to do with their front seven. I'm predicting that Dallas grabs Rasmey.

It would hurt if Dallas took Jack. I'm just so sold on Jack I don't want anyone else. 

[Edgar]

12 hours ago, pitchblack_20 said:

Has anyWhat is it about Jack that you don't see? Is it because he doesn't make a lot of those eye popping hits? After resigning Wright I doubt we will be taking a CB in the first. But back to Jack, the dude is uber talented and a stud of a player (regardless of position), and I'll take him over Orr and a lot of other MLBs in the game, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas took  Jack ahead of us. I love Ramsey, I just feel like Jack helps the defense more. 

Watch this guy take on blockers.  He really packs a wallop. Centers,guards and tackles fifty pounds heavier get straight rocked and knocked back.

[ellicottraven]

20 hours ago, rayven98 said:

Am I the only one just not seeing it with this guy?  I mean he's ok but picking #6 overall we have got to hit a homerun.  Jack feels more like a intentional walk, you'll take it but not exactly a gamechanger.  Especially since it's not necessarily a position of need.  Zach Orr got some reps last year and i'm willing to see how he progresses, not to mention Darryl smith may be re-signed.  Hargreaves is widely recognized as the best CB in this draft and I feel he's the pick here unless Bosa or Ramsey falls.  I don't see any chance of Ramsey falling and I'm not sure Bosa is a scheme fit.  Hopefully whoever is announced a raven is a flat out stud, but I just don't think Jack is it.

I don't agree with your assessment at all. To me personally here is the way I would pick if I were the Ravens in this order of availability:

1. Tunsil

2. Ramsey

3. Jack

4. Stanley

5. Buckner

6. Bosa

[Dewy101]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I don't agree with your assessment at all. To me personally here is the way I would pick if I were the Ravens in this order of availability:

1. Tunsil

2. Ramsey

3. Jack

4. Stanley

5. Buckner

6. Bosa

I see it like this 

1. Ramsey

2. Buckner

3. Tunsil

4. Jack

5. Bosa

6. Anyone but Stanley 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I find it hard to believe that Ozzie of all people, after his boy tore his acl, would put Ramsey over tunsil

[Dewy101]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I find it hard to believe that Ozzie of all people, after his boy tore his acl, would put Ramsey over tunsil

The way I see it is that there are starting caliber LTs coming out every year. Players like Ramsey? Not so often. Like I said before Cowboys lost their QB for the season, are you going to blame that on their O-Lineman as well? It's was just bad place bad time

Edited March 8, 2016 by Dewy101

[JoeyFlex5]

10 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

The way I see it is that there are starting caliber LTs coming out every year. Players like Ramsey? Not so often. Like I said before Cowboys lost their QB for the season, are you going to blame that on their O-Lineman as well? It's was just bad place bad time

But the thing about Ramsey is he still has a ton of question marks. More than any player in the top 5. The less hits your qb takes the better, the less pressure he feels the better. Its just a fact of football that pass protection is key for a strong passing game, and teams like the packers and Steelers are the exception and not the rule with their unorthodox qb styles

[Dewy101]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But the thing about Ramsey is he still has a ton of question marks. More than any player in the top 5. The less hits your qb takes the better, the less pressure he feels the better. Its just a fact of football that pass protection is key for a strong passing game, and teams like the packers and Steelers are the exception and not the rule with their unorthodox qb styles

So you'd reach for someone like Stanley? Tunsil is obviously not going to be there. Talent wise I don't even think they're close, Tunsil is the much better player. BPA would be the best move to make. The Broncos just won the Super Bowl with their 3rd string LT. Panthers had Michael Oher as their LT. Patriots has to move their RT to LT. Cardinals were the only playoff team with a decent LT. Steelers had a backup LT. Bengals had Whitworth the best of the bunch but lose ever year. I'm just saying its an overvalued position nowadays as teams best pass rushers usually play LE or LOLB which forces them to line up against RTs. 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

So you'd reach for someone like Stanley? Tunsil is obviously not going to be there. Talent wise I don't even think they're close, Tunsil is the much better player. BPA would be the best move to make. The Broncos just won the Super Bowl with their 3rd string LT. Panthers had Michael Oher as their LT. Patriots has to move their RT to LT. Cardinals were the only playoff team with a decent LT. Steelers had a backup LT. Bengals had Whitworth the best of the bunch but lose ever year. I'm just saying its an overvalued position nowadays as teams best pass rushers usually play LE or LOLB which forces them to line up against RTs. 

But we were discussing Tunsil. Not who would be there at 6. So please point me to where I said I wanted Stanley at 6... 

 

I'll give you a hint.. You won't find it without digging wayyyy deep.

[Maryland]

I was kind of on the OP's side of the tracks at one point simply because an ILB (or OLB if he's played there) isn't going to impact the game to the degree that a pass rusher, ball-hawking safety, WR, or someone like that could, talent at the position being equal.

But it intrigues me that he has impressed teams with his football IQ in interviews. Combine that with his freakish athletic abilities, weight at 245 (so he can play inside), coverage skills, and I think he would be worth taking at 6. They say there is no answer for the new breed of TEs like Gronk and Graham, but I think having a LB with coverage skills like Jack could be an answer. It all depends if we draft him and if Pees utilizes him correctly. 

My mini-board for the ravens would go:

Tunsil ... Ramsey ... and then more or less a 3-way tie between Jack, Bosa, and VH3. Trading up/down wouldn't disappoint me in this draft. 

Basically, if you are drafting a non-pass rushing LB that high, he had better change the game like Luke Kuechly. I think he can. 

Edited March 9, 2016 by Maryland

[January J]

1)Tunsil

2)Ramsey

3)Buckner

4)Bosa 

5)Jack

6)Stanley 

7)Spence

8)VH3

9)Treadwell

10) Lawson

[polynesian15]

How good of a pass/edge rusher is Jack currently and what is his likely ceiling in that department (NFL comparison)?

[ALPHA]

8 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

How good of a pass/edge rusher is Jack currently and what is his likely ceiling in that department (NFL comparison)?

He's a blitzer only with no pass rush moves, when they put him on the edge he tries to run around tackles.

[RaineV1]

15 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

How good of a pass/edge rusher is Jack currently and what is his likely ceiling in that department (NFL comparison)?

Jack is a decent speedy edge rusher. He won't be overpowering any tackle, but he can get around them, and get around RBs staying behind to block. He's better in coverage or as a QB spy, but he is a capable blitzer (from the edge or middle)

[DefensiveMind]

Jack is a monster. A Jack/ Mosley duo would potentially give us one of the best, if not the best, linebacker duo in the nfl 

[ngatainmyhouse]

23 minutes ago, DefensiveMind said:

Jack is a monster. A Jack/ Mosley duo would potentially give us one of the best, if not the best, linebacker duo in the nfl 

And it isn't like Jack would need much grooming. He would have an immediate impact and would compliment Mosley very well. I am all on board with Jack.

[Dewy101]

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But we were discussing Tunsil. Not who would be there at 6. So please point me to where I said I wanted Stanley at 6... 

 

I'll give you a hint.. You won't find it without digging wayyyy deep.

Lol I'm sure I can find it

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Lol I'm sure I can find it

Again, You'll be digging deep. People change their minds and if you wanna waste your time finding me vouching for Stanley 3 or 4 months ago then by all means do it lol

[L.A.Ravens]

6 hours ago, DefensiveMind said:

Jack is a monster. A Jack/ Mosley duo would potentially give us one of the best, if not the best, linebacker duo in the nfl 

I agree Jack is a beast. Great speed great instincts and great play recognition. He has my vote for pick #6. ?

[ALPHA]

He might even be a better strong safety than ILB

[Dewy101]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Again, You'll be digging deep. People change their minds and if you wanna waste your time finding me vouching for Stanley 3 or 4 months ago then by all means do it lol

I'm not going to search for it but I'm glad you changed your mind lol