Consensus Mock - Post Combine

[balfan23]

I wanted to create a list of the general consensus on what players will go to what teams in the first round. I've picked out from 21 different sources from analysts from major sports outlets to other specialty sites (and I even included a couple from our own posters) and have listed the number of selections provided for a given player. I limited to 3 analysts from any single publication (CBS, NFL.com), since these people seem to recycle the same approach across all writers. 

I listed the player, followed by the number of times they appear in the mocks in parens. I listed 2 or more players, if the selections were sufficiently spread. Obviously, the farther down the list you go, the more muddled things get, but there are still some standouts. 

So - for discussion: Where are the "experts" off. Where does your view not align with conventional wisdom? Do you think the consensus makes for a good stand alone mock? Of course, opinion on what consensus is for the Ravens will be of most interest. Are the analysts saying something about what they think the odds are of us signing KO with Stanley still being the most frequently mocked player to us at #6? So, here it is:

1. Tennessee Titans

   Laremy Tunsil (19) - Little doubt apparently on this one. Only 2 went elsewhere (both for Ramsey)    

2. Cleveland Browns

   Carson Wentz (16) - 4 others were for Goff and only 1 non-QB (Ramsey)

3. San Diego Chargers  

   Jalen Ramsey(9), DeForest Buckner (6) 

4. Dallas Cowboys    

   Joey Bosa (12)

5. Jacksonville Jaguars    

   Myles Jack  (10), Jalen Ramsey (7)

6. Baltimore Ravens    

   Ronnie Stanley (7) - If we don't take Stanley, there is no consensus on who we'll take, but no doubt it is a defender: 12 picks spread across 4 different defenders. 

7. San Francisco 49ers    

   Jared Goff (11) - 4 other picks were for other QBs - only 6 total for non QB

8. Miami Dolphins    

    Vernon Hargreaves (9)

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers    

   Vernon Hargreaves (5), DeForest Buckner (4), Shaq Lawson (4) - funny spread on this one ... basically the best defensive player that falls, or the first to pick up Lawson. I'm surprised I only 2 for Stanley here 

10. New York Giants    

    Shaq Lawson (7)

11. Chicago Bears    

    Ronnie Stanley (4) - I don't think he falls this far, but this selection is all over the place - including 3 for Buckner (who also won't drop this far). 

12. New Orleans Saints  

    A'Shawn Robinson (9)

13. Philadelphia Eagles    

    Jack Conklin (6)       

14. Oakland Raiders    

    Eli Apple (4), Mackensie Alexander (3) - pretty spread out selection, but CB seemed most prevalent. 

15. St. Louis Rams    

    Laquon Treadwell (8),  Paxton Lynch (6) - 4 other entries for Goff or Wentz if they drop ... so while Treadwell is the most frequent mocked, it basically appears the best remaining QB is really consensus. 

16. Detroit Lions    

    Laquon Treadwell (4) - pretty wide spread ... while Treadwell was most frequent mocked, a larger count of picks were spread across defense up the middle (A'Shawn, Rankins or Ragland)

17. Atlanta Falcons    

    Darron Lee (6), Reggie Ragland (4)

18. Indianapolis Colts    

    Taylor Decker (6) - Only 3 for Conklin ... what I found odd was that there were 9 cases where Conklin was still available and the Colts passed. After Luck's incessant beatings, I'd think OL would be a priority.

19. Buffalo Bills    

    Robert Nkemdiche (5), Sheldon Rankins (5) - only 4 selections suggested on offense ... not surprising with Rex at the helm.

20. New York Jets    

    Leonard Floyd (5), Ezekiel Elliot (4)

21. Washington Redskins    

    Jarran Reed (4) - this was all over the place, but not a single selection on the offense. 

22. Houston Texans    

    Paxton Lynch/Conner Cook (6),  Ezekiel Elliott (4) - I combined QBs here, because it feels like the consensus is the best of the remaining QBs. If they don't like who is left, Elliot seems like a good choice, now that Foster is out. 

23. Minnesota Vikings    

    Josh Doctson (3)

24. Cincinnati Bengals     

    This pick is so muddled, I really can't list it. No specific position dominates the selection either. 

25. Pittsburgh Steelers    

    Noah Spence (6), Eli Apple (5)     

26. Seattle Seahawks    

    Robert Nkemdiche (4)

27. Green Bay Packers    

    Jarran Reed (5)

28. Kansas City Chiefs    

    Like the Bengals, this pick is all over the place                    

29. Arizona Cardinals    

    Emmanuel Ogbah (4), Kevin Dodd (3)

30. Carolina Panthers    

    Emmanuel Ogbah (4). Kevin Dodd (3)

31. Denver Broncos    

    Jason Spriggs (3)

[L.A.Ravens]

We're not taking Stanley at 6. Harbough is talking a lot about running the ball more. Stanley is a good pass blocker but poor run blocker. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

We're not taking Stanley at 6. Harbough is talking a lot about running the ball more. Stanley is a good pass blocker but poor run blocker. 

Then I guess that means we take Elliott since he'll really help us run the ball.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Then I guess that means we take Elliott since he'll really help us run the ball.

After I heard that at least five front office personnel had him as their best player in the entire draft, I think I'd be okay with the move. If he can be the next AP type player, I'd be down. Too bad Gurley isn't in this draft...

[balfan23]

Didn't see a mock that had us taking Elliot. The highest I saw was 4. There were 4 others that had him top 10. His average is around 15. I'll be really surprised if he's our selection. 

[balfan23]

44 minutes ago, L.A.Ravens said:

We're not taking Stanley at 6. Harbough is talking a lot about running the ball more. Stanley is a good pass blocker but poor run blocker. 

It seems to be the consensus - among Ravens fans - that Stanley isn't our pick.

While he is the consensus among analysts ... it is really only because they can't seem to settle on which of the top defenders will be left when we're on the clock and who we like best. 12 selections are spread across 4 different defenders Bosa (4), Buckner (3), VH3 (3) and Jack (2). Virtually every mock that has Bosa fall to 6 has us taking him ... but most feel he's going to be a Cowboy.

So, in some regard - analysts feel our pick will be defense - just not sure which one. 

[Maryland]

Stanley would probably be the most disappointing realistic pick for me. I would much rather trade back up into the first round with our #36 pick and get Spriggs, who seems like a pretty balanced LT prospect. I would still like to sign a stop-gap LT in FA or bite the bullet and keep Monroe for 1 more season and play Spriggs at LG in this scenario. 

 

/perhaps disappointing is the wrong word... maybe just underwhelming 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Maryland

[AnthonyGames]

If draft Stanley, that would solidify our LT position for years (if we don't resign KO. Keep your fingers crossed that we do). Yes, I know it would be a "boring pick." We cut Monroe, saving a lot of money, and we make a splash in free agency

[RaineV1]

58 minutes ago, AnthonyGames said:

If draft Stanley, that would solidify our LT position for years (if we don't resign KO. Keep your fingers crossed that we do). Yes, I know it would be a "boring pick." We cut Monroe, saving a lot of money, and we make a splash in free agency

I don't like it because Stanley just isn't the best player available at 6. If there was another tackle like Tunsil that we could get, I'd take him in a heart beat. I'd rather trade back if we were targeting Stanley.

[RavensDieHard21]

It is funny that a majority of analysts have the Ravens taking Stanley because they realize that he is a top LT prospect that can help out big time in protecting Flacco in pass protection, but a majority of all us fans on here are so against Stanley. I think it is primarily due to him not being a sexy pick and being underwhelming in run blocking, on top the flashy defensive players that are sitting at the top. I believe that if Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey and Jack are gone and we have the options of either Buckner or VH3 and Stanley, that he will be our pick, unless Ozzie thinks Buckner is a top talent too hard to pass on. But I would love a slight trade back if possible because around #10 there will still be talented players. Very likely that Stanley would still be there, and potentially Hargreaves and Lawson too. 

Most likely pick at #6 will be Buckner, Jack, or Stanley. I just have a feeling.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, balfan23 said:

It seems to be the consensus - among Ravens fans - that Stanley isn't our pick.

While he is the consensus among analysts ... it is really only because they can't seem to settle on which of the top defenders will be left when we're on the clock and who we like best. 12 selections are spread across 4 different defenders Bosa (4), Buckner (3), VH3 (3) and Jack (2). Virtually every mock that has Bosa fall to 6 has us taking him ... but most feel he's going to be a Cowboy.

So, in some regard - analysts feel our pick will be defense - just not sure which one. 

I keep trying to analyze this picks through the realistic needs of these teams and I see Tunsil going first, then Wentz, which when it gets to SD it gets interesting because if they go Ramsey, then I see Dallas taking Bosa and Jax taking Hargreaves, which gives us Buckner or Jack. Then again, if SD takes Bosa, then I still feel that Dallas would take Ramsey over Jack and JAX will prioritize an atrocious secondary with a safe pick in Hargreaves. I think Buckner in all of the scenarios will be the one left for Ozzie to dress in Black and Purple, but it still could be Jack, whom many scouts think outside of Tunsil is the best prospect in this draft....

[numerounopapi]

Buckner, Jack or Bosa if he slides. If Buckner & Jack are both available at #6, you might as well just flip a coin. Either one of them would be HUGE upgrades. I believe our Defense is our achillies heel as a team and we need to build it for the future. Worst case scenario is that we keep Monroe for another year and have to shuffle around our O-Line (which is nothing unusual for us.) We have proven to draft quality trench players in later rounds. A dark-horse candidate could be Elliot. At #6 you are looking for a blue-ship BIG TIME player and I personally don't see Ozzie investing that high of a pick on a position that can be maintained for at least another year.

[trevorsteadman]

Buckner, Ramsey, Jack, or Bosa will slide to us... That is why I don't see us taking Stanley. We want to emphasize running the ball. Every year that is what we are about and Stanley has had a hard time defending the run... That is why I don't see it. Plus you are getting a physical freak in Buckner, the most explosive and versatile linebacker in Jack, fast ball hawk and hard hitter in Ramsey, or a powerful quick hands defensive lineman in Bosa. The only other players I can see outside of those are Hargreaves and Lawson has warmed up to me with some people on the boards but I still see us as too high for him and it would be a reach. But weirder things have happened.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Buckner, Ramsey, Jack, or Bosa will slide to us... That is why I don't see us taking Stanley. We want to emphasize running the ball. Every year that is what we are about and Stanley has had a hard time defending the run... That is why I don't see it. Plus you are getting a physical freak in Buckner, the most explosive and versatile linebacker in Jack, fast ball hawk and hard hitter in Ramsey, or a powerful quick hands defensive lineman in Bosa. The only other players I can see outside of those are Hargreaves and Lawson has warmed up to me with some people on the boards but I still see us as too high for him and it would be a reach. But weirder things have happened.

I just pray that Cleveland doesn't take a defensive player. That would ruin our chances of landing a sliding top 3 talent.

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I just pray that Cleveland doesn't take a defensive player. That would ruin our chances of landing a sliding top 3 talent.

Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, and Hargreaves. That is 5 great defensive players I can see going to us. Also Tunsil is almost automatically a top 3 pick. So even if a quarterback isn't taken in the first 6, I can see the Ravens getting Hargreaves, Jack, or Buckner. I can see Ramsey sliding if a quarterback or two is taken but if not then there is no way he falls. But I agree Cleveland will really help us out by giving us a better player if they select a mediocre quarterback. They haven't learned the last couple drafts..

[Edgar]

I could get on board with Ezekiel Elliot.  I would take Myles and maybe Buckner over him at six. There's no question in my mind he is a top six prospect.

 

isnt the draft set to begin April 28th? Heading says 30th

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

I could get on board with Ezekiel Elliot.  I would take Myles and maybe Buckner over him at six. There's no question in my mind he is a top six prospect.

 

isnt the draft set to begin April 28th? Heading says 30th

It also says 2015 NFL Draft.

[Edgar]

5 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

It also says 2015 NFL Draft.

This isn't 2015?

[ALI624]

4 minutes ago, Edgar said:

This isn't 2015?

Nope lol.

[L.A.Ravens]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I just pray that Cleveland doesn't take a defensive player. That would ruin our chances of landing a sliding top 3 talent.

If not a QB they'll take a punter. I can hope. Raiders took a kicker in the first 15yrs ago. There's always a chance. .. Hope bengals and steelers get one in the first too. If we get one of the top defenders in the draft they'll need one.

[GrimCoconut]

10 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't like it because Stanley just isn't the best player available at 6. If there was another tackle like Tunsil that we could get, I'd take him in a heart beat. I'd rather trade back if we were targeting Stanley.

The drop off isn't that stark between Stanley and Tunsil. Tunsil is clearly better but Stanley is an excellent prospect and would likely be considered a top 3 prospect, or potentially go to Tennessee. 

[trevorsteadman]

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

The drop off isn't that stark between Stanley and Tunsil. Tunsil is clearly better but Stanley is an excellent prospect and would likely be considered a top 3 prospect, or potentially go to Tennessee. 

I don't believe this because Stanley has had issues being bull rushed and in rushing defense. I see him as a high bust player in the NFL. It is also said that they are not sure how much he actually enjoys football which makes you wonder do you risk it when he may end up retiring in a couple seasons or not put enough time to be a NFL starter. He has potential and talent but I would have Tunsil miles above Stanley. Stanley to me is a good 10-15 pick. I bet the Bears pick him up.

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't believe this because Stanley has had issues being bull rushed and in rushing defense. I see him as a high bust player in the NFL. It is also said that they are not sure how much he actually enjoys football which makes you wonder do you risk it when he may end up retiring in a couple seasons or not put enough time to be a NFL starter. He has potential and talent but I would have Tunsil miles above Stanley. Stanley to me is a good 10-15 pick. I bet the Bears pick him up.

I'm not sure if he loves football or not. From a talent perspective he's close to Tunsil. Realize that he could've declared as a junior last year but stayed at school. 

[ALI624]

13 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure if he loves football or not. From a talent perspective he's close to Tunsil. Realize that he could've declared as a junior last year but stayed at school. 

That could be a sign he doesn't want to play in the NFL too.

[GrimCoconut]

8 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

That could be a sign he doesn't want to play in the NFL too.

Sounds like you've made up your mind

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure if he loves football or not. From a talent perspective he's close to Tunsil. Realize that he could've declared as a junior last year but stayed at school. 

I've heard he doesn't love football as well. I do see a lack of intensity when he plays, it wouldn't surprise me if he took a payday and coasted through

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've heard he doesn't love football as well. I do see a lack of intensity when he plays, it wouldn't surprise me if he took a payday and coasted through

Then I don't think we take him. I guess where I disagree with you guys is I don't judge a player on rumors I can't validate myself. So many lies exist rightI now. 

[ALI624]

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Then I don't think we take him. I guess where I disagree with you guys is I don't judge a player on rumors I can't validate myself. So many lies exist rightI now. 

I also base my opinion on actions, during his press conference he said he was dedicated to prove people wrong about him and he proceeds to only do some of the drills, no bench press, vert or broad jumps. 

[GrimCoconut]

56 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

I also base my opinion on actions, during his press conference he said he was dedicated to prove people wrong about him and he proceeds to only do some of the drills, no bench press, vert or broad jumps. 

I honestly think you'll find whatever reason you want to not like Stanley. There's no secret here that I think highly of him and think he's close to Tunsil in terms of talent. I don't speculate on stuff of which I have little evidence, and I don't see the evidence to which you are suggesting. If you want to source me something, I'll look at it, though. Tunsil didn't even participate in any of those drills, so I don't understand what you're saying here. 

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I honestly think you'll find whatever reason you want to not like Stanley. There's no secret here that I think highly of him and think he's close to Tunsil in terms of talent. I don't speculate on stuff of which I have little evidence, and I don't see the evidence to which you are suggesting. If you want to source me something, I'll look at it, though. Tunsil didn't even participate in any of those drills, so I don't understand what you're saying here. 

Tunsil had nothing to prove though. He is considered the best LT and for many the best player in the draft that is the difference. But you can believe whatever you want to because nothing I say will convince you nothing you say will convince me.