[News] Ravens Want 'Instant Coffee' With Pick No. 6

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The Ravens expect to draft a player that makes an immediate difference, and they have a history of doing so.

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[Purple Dawg 96]

I wanted the Ravens to get some Buckeyes and Bosa is one too many to name but we need a CB and Apple CB for the Buckeyes if available should be a good pick! GET SOME BUCKEYES! Lol

[ALI624]

Hope that means Stanley is out of the running.

[bioLarzen]

That soundls like they consider a trade back out of question - which it obviously isn't. Let's hope Ozzie won't trade back, but if the Browns take Wentz or Goff, there's probably gonna be definite demand for our spot ahead of the 49ers, to snatch the other one... and Ozzie will always have ears for a great trade offer...

[bioLarzen]

I wanted the Ravens to get some Buckeyes and Bosa is one too many to name but we need a CB and Apple CB for the Buckeyes if available should be a good pick! GET SOME BUCKEYES! Lol

Apple is projected a mid-/to-late 1st round pick by most mocks, so, while he would be an enormous reach at #6, he'll probably be gone by the time we are on the clock on day#2 (barring a trade up, of course, but I don't think Eli Apple warrants a trade up...)

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Hope that means Stanley is out of the running.

Stanley overall was not as impressive as the hype on him. Not saying he won't be a good player but maybe not a #6 grade and most likely a mid-late day 1 or day 2 pick.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

That soundls like they consider a trade back out of question - which it obviously isn't. Let's hope Ozzie won't trade back, but if the Browns take Wentz or Goff, there's probably gonna be definite demand for our spot ahead of the 49ers, to snatch the other one... and Ozzie will always have ears for a great trade offer...

I agree that trading back most likely is out of the question. Although they do not need to, I see them trading up to 2-3 to ensure they get their man. By the time #6 comes around they may just be stuck with one player graded that high left. Trading up would also work out well as the move is within 5 spots, and gives both trade partners a "safety net" of sorts. Whoever might trade back isn't dropping that far out so they can reasonably assume they can still get their guy + comp for trades (picks, etc) and your not trading the farm to move up within 5 spots. Personally I would love to see them trade with Cleveland. Cleveland could safely still get their QB, darfting before the 49'ers and accrue a few more picks to build out a new era roster under Jackson in a draft rich in the mid-late rounds. That would also give the Ravens a strong chance of being able to draft either Ramsey or Jack. IHMO either player would best bolster the defense and also bring some swagger back to that side of the ball. D line is so talented this year, you can draft in the later rounds and still find value if needed. I'm just not sold on Bosa myself. He's good but I feel he has been hyped up beyond reality by a little, mostly due to lack of natural pass rushers this year.

[balfan23]

45 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

That soundls like they consider a trade back out of question - which it obviously isn't. Let's hope Ozzie won't trade back, but if the Browns take Wentz or Goff, there's probably gonna be definite demand for our spot ahead of the 49ers, to snatch the other one... and Ozzie will always have ears for a great trade offer...

Eric said as much in this interview. He said it comes down to determining how far the trade back is and balancing what they suspect they will give up (based on who is left) for what they are offered. While Eric said that there is a lot of high quality talent at the top, he also said that this draft is very deep .. which always makes trading for more picks attractive. 

I disagree with those who say that trading back is out of the question - but I do think it is unlikely, mainly because 1) the most obvious motivation for a trade up is a QB and 2) the teams that are in need of a QB are too far back in this draft - 15 and 22 (I think it is a stretch to put NO in that group). I think the FO will view a trade from 6 to 15 will knock us back from a tier 1 player to possibly a tier 3 player and the cost will be more than anyone will be willing to give. I think if one of our 2 coveted guys are there for is, we're going to pull the trigger there. 

Perhaps it could be argued that we could trade back to 15 and use some of that ammo collected to try to trade back up in the 1st, but that is a really iffy proposition. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

32 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Stanley overall was not as impressive as the hype on him. Not saying he won't be a good player but maybe not a #6 grade and most likely a mid-late day 1 or day 2 pick.

There's no chance Stanley falls outside the top 10, and could easily be our pick at six or possibly even go in the top 5. He's the second best LT in this draft easily and those guys go top 10 annually.

[sami]

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

That soundls like they consider a trade back out of question - which it obviously isn't. Let's hope Ozzie won't trade back, but if the Browns take Wentz or Goff, there's probably gonna be definite demand for our spot ahead of the 49ers, to snatch the other one... and Ozzie will always have ears for a great trade offer...

I agree that trading back most likely is out of the question. Although they do not need to, I see them trading up to 2-3 to ensure they get their man. By the time #6 comes around they may just be stuck with one player graded that high left. Trading up would also work out well as the move is within 5 spots, and gives both trade partners a "safety net" of sorts. Whoever might trade back isn't dropping that far out so they can reasonably assume they can still get their guy + comp for trades (picks, etc) and your not trading the farm to move up within 5 spots. Personally I would love to see them trade with Cleveland. Cleveland could safely still get their QB, darfting before the 49'ers and accrue a few more picks to build out a new era roster under Jackson in a draft rich in the mid-late rounds. That would also give the Ravens a strong chance of being able to draft either Ramsey or Jack. IHMO either player would best bolster the defense and also bring some swagger back to that side of the ball. D line is so talented this year, you can draft in the later rounds and still find value if needed. I'm just not sold on Bosa myself. He's good but I feel he has been hyped up beyond reality by a little, mostly due to lack of natural pass rushers this year.

You don't need to trade up to get a great player, that's just wasting draft pics. No one in this draft is worth what it would cost us to trade up 2 or 3 spots.

[law215]

I define instant coffee as top ten talent. I don't think Ravens will trade out of top 10. I think if Ramsey or Bosa are at 6 they stay put. But if they could move back a couple of spots to get a pick and still add Hargreaves, Spence, or Buckner who are also top 10 talents, then that would be great. I hope Ravens stay away from Stanley and Myles Jack. I don't think they are 'instant coffee'.

[BmoreB]

Cup of Jo-ey Bosa would cure the instant coffee fix the Ravens so desperately need. :)

[JimmyBlack]

4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

That soundls like they consider a trade back out of question - which it obviously isn't. Let's hope Ozzie won't trade back, but if the Browns take Wentz or Goff, there's probably gonna be definite demand for our spot ahead of the 49ers, to snatch the other one... and Ozzie will always have ears for a great trade offer...

Most of the teams already have a good QB under contract.  To get ahead of the 49ers, then the next team in line would be at number 15.  This would put us out of the running for a player that would be able to start from day one, but might get us an extra second round draft pick.

[Virginia 55]

ill bet anything we are not looking at Bosa!

[Virginia 55]

Ramsey is a much more likely option.

[JimmyBlack]

1 hour ago, BmoreB said:

Cup of Jo-ey Bosa would cure the instant coffee fix the Ravens so desperately need.

Both Bosa or Jack would start from day one.

[JimmyBlack]

4 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Stanley overall was not as impressive as the hype on him. Not saying he won't be a good player but maybe not a #6 grade and most likely a mid-late day 1 or day 2 pick.

I don't see him as worth a number 6 either.  Hopefully, he falls to top of the second round.  We really need a speedy receiver who can get up there and take the ball away from defenders.

[sami]

instant coffee? We need a double espresso!

[JimmyBlack]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

There's no chance Stanley falls outside the top 10, and could easily be our pick at six or possibly even go in the top 5. He's the second best LT in this draft easily and those guys go top 10 annually.

I really would love to see us take Bosa or Jack if possible.  Stanley would be a letdown for me.

[JimmyBlack]

5 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

I wanted the Ravens to get some Buckeyes and Bosa is one too many to name but we need a CB and Apple CB for the Buckeyes if available should be a good pick! GET SOME BUCKEYES! Lol

Bosa would stop the run and chase QBs around the backfield all day long.

[JimmyBlack]

3 minutes ago, sami said:

instant coffee? We need a double espresso!

Jack would be double espresso, similar in the side to side abilities of Ray Lewis, and a super high motor player.  One thing that he has that last year Ravens lacked, that's the ability to intercept passes and drop back effectively in coverage.

[jlswartzii]

Personally I think we should take Vernon Hargreaves III at #6. Unless he injures himself while training, has a bad pro day, or interviews reveal something film doesn't show, he would be a great pick for us. Having VH3 opposite of Smith for the next 4 years would be amazing. Some people are worried about his size when it comes to covering bigger WRs, but he is only an inch shorter than Revis so a corner doesn't always have to be tall to shut down WRs. He's shown a lot of talent and potential, so if his pro day workout shows he has what it takes to be a top CB in the league it would be stupid to pass on him. This draft is deep with pass rushers and Ozzie usually finds a mid to late round pick that contributes with sacks. Plus Za'Darius Smith showed he has potential to be a good situational pass rusher. If Suggs comes back 100%, we would have him and Doom reaping the benefits of a great secondary. Our D-line is pretty good already, and we usually add a mid to late round pick to that each year. If VH3 and Smith are shutting down the #1 and #2 WRs, coverage sacks and turnovers will happen, both of which are areas we have to improve if we want to win games. We already have a pretty good run defense. Pass rushing can be fixed with healthy players, a mid round draft pick or FA/cap casualty, and an improved secondary making the opposing QB hold on to the ball. VH3 and Smith on the outside, Webb roaming the field at safety, and a solid nickel CB covering the slot, has the potential to elevate our defense to a top 5 defense and take a lot of pressure off of our offense.

At the end of the day, I just hope we don't go Stanley if he is still there at #6. I just don't think that he would make a bigger impact on our offense's success than VH3/Bosa/Ramsey/Buckner would have on our defense's success. Better coverage usually generates more sacks, more turnovers, better field position for the offense, more time to rest by getting off the field faster, and fewer points allowed. Flacco staying upright and healthy is important, but as the Broncos showed, elite coverage and pass rushing can make up for terrible QB play. Which would come in handy with Flacco since he is inconsistent during the regular season. When he's playing great, teams will get crushed. When he is having a bad game, our defense will keep it close or win it for us. Getting an elite CB or pass rusher in FA is rare and very costly. Getting a veteran LT from FA/cap casualty that will be good enough until one develops via mid/late round picks is much more common, and usually much cheaper. Flacco hasn't gotten to the point where he can carry a subpar defense, who knows if he ever will, and I don't think Stanley is going to be the magic piece of the puzzle that turns Flacco into an MVP candidate. But we do know that an elite defense can make up for inconsistent/subpar QB play.

Edited March 5, 2016 by jlswartzii

[RavensDieHard21]

I have this feeling that Jack is destined to land here. He is instant coffee and upgrades the middle of the D in a tremendous way. I also have a hunch that Dallas or JAX might like him a lot too, which could mean Bosa makes his way into wearing Black and Purple. Three likely candidates at #6 that upgrade this team the most are Jack, Bosa, and Buckner. Ramsey will not make it or Tunsil. 

[ALI624]

@jlswartzii I think we may be soul mates Lol.

[jlswartzii]

@jlswartzii I think we may be soul mates Lol.

Haha, hopefully Ozzie and Co. agree with us on draft day.

[ravenstime]

I've been leaning hard on Hargreaves from Florida. I also like Bosa and Myles Jack as 2nd or 3rd options.

[NCMan]

I have this feeling that Jack is destined to land here. He is instant coffee and upgrades the middle of the D in a tremendous way. I also have a hunch that Dallas or JAX might like him a lot too, which could mean Bosa makes his way into wearing Black and Purple. Three likely candidates at #6 that upgrade this team the most are Jack, Bosa, and Buckner. Ramsey will not make it or Tunsil. 

I agree. I'd be happy w/any of those three being Ravens.

[NCMan]

  7 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Stanley overall was not as impressive as the hype on him. Not saying he won't be a good player but maybe not a #6 grade and most likely a mid-late day 1 or day 2 pick.

I don't see him as worth a number 6 either.  Hopefully, he falls to top of the second round.  We really need a speedy receiver who can get up there and take the ball away from defenders.

Yes, I hope Waller can be that guy. Or who knows, even Perriman (?)

[ellicottraven]

Just hearing Eric speak inspires confidence in what we are going to do in this year's draft. Very sharp football evaluators our front office led by Ozzie, DeCosta and Hortiz!

[The Greek]

Personally I think we should take Vernon Hargreaves III at #6. Unless he injures himself while training, has a bad pro day, or interviews reveal something film doesn't show, he would be a great pick for us. Having VH3 opposite of Smith for the next 4 years would be amazing. Some people are worried about his size when it comes to covering bigger WRs, but he is only an inch shorter than Revis so a corner doesn't always have to be tall to shut down WRs. He's shown a lot of talent and potential, so if his pro day workout shows he has what it takes to be a top CB in the league it would be stupid to pass on him. This draft is deep with pass rushers and Ozzie usually finds a mid to late round pick that contributes with sacks. Plus Za'Darius Smith showed he has potential to be a good situational pass rusher. If Suggs comes back 100%, we would have him and Doom reaping the benefits of a great secondary. Our D-line is pretty good already, and we usually add a mid to late round pick to that each year. If VH3 and Smith are shutting down the #1 and #2 WRs, coverage sacks and turnovers will happen, both of which are areas we have to improve if we want to win games. We already have a pretty good run defense. Pass rushing can be fixed with healthy players, a mid round draft pick or FA/cap casualty, and an improved secondary making the opposing QB hold on to the ball. VH3 and Smith on the outside, Webb roaming the field at safety, and a solid nickel CB covering the slot, has the potential to elevate our defense to a top 5 defense and take a lot of pressure off of our offense.

At the end of the day, I just hope we don't go Stanley if he is still there at #6. I just don't think that he would make a bigger impact on our offense's success than VH3/Bosa/Ramsey/Buckner would have on our defense's success. Better coverage usually generates more sacks, more turnovers, better field position for the offense, more time to rest by getting off the field faster, and fewer points allowed. Flacco staying upright and healthy is important, but as the Broncos showed, elite coverage and pass rushing can make up for terrible QB play. Which would come in handy with Flacco since he is inconsistent during the regular season. When he's playing great, teams will get crushed. When he is having a bad game, our defense will keep it close or win it for us. Getting an elite CB or pass rusher in FA is rare and very costly. Getting a veteran LT from FA/cap casualty that will be good enough until one develops via mid/late round picks is much more common, and usually much cheaper. Flacco hasn't gotten to the point where he can carry a subpar defense, who knows if he ever will, and I don't think Stanley is going to be the magic piece of the puzzle that turns Flacco into an MVP candidate. But we do know that an elite defense can make up for inconsistent/subpar QB play.

if osemele leaves than stanley is our pick. need to keep flacco upright and have a successful running game and monroe has not been able to stay on the field. i would love to see one of those defensive players in a ravens jersey but that will not happen unless we resign osemele