Sizzle's First Mock of the Offseason

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If you go back to 2014 and listen to John Harbaugh before the draft, he actually says that inside linebacker is a position of need. He said it's one that not many people would think of, but it's one the Ravens wanted to address. 

So, no, it really wasn't that surprising when the Ravens took Mosley, especially considering that Decosta said he would have been the best player available at 10, suggesting he was likely rated inside the top 9 players. Basically, they highlighted a position of need and went out and took the best available player at a position of need, kinda like I've been saying the Ravens will do...

So what makes you think they believe orr is the answer and that they wouldn't see it in a similar light? They could say Jack would be their bpa at 4 and so they take him at 6, and comparing vh3 to Jack in terms of pure talent, not many would make a very valid argument for vh3, regardless of need

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Sizzlebshu said:

Yeah it's a gaping hole if your pitching those two. Consider that we brought in Smith and Mosley when thinking of Albert. Guess we didn't trust him enough to start even tho, he supposedly did well in a spot start or two. Same deal goes for Orr. If he were better, he would have started over Smith. He wasn't. 

We cut Darryl Smith to save cap space is what you said. I am pretty sure that same 2 million isn't going towards another ILB in FA because we cut one to save it to use elsewhere. Again, 2 + 2 

You really don't get the concept of 5 being a better player than 6 do you? If a player is rated at 5, Baltimore believes that player is better than the one rated at 6 and will be a more valuable asset to their team. If that was not the case, they would be rated differently. Mind = Blown

Packers are no different. Even if Favre were the same age as Flacco is now, they still would have taken Rodgers because

1. It increases the overall talent and depth of their team and also protects them from injury ruining their season (like it did to Baltimore's) 

2. It allows you more freedom under the cap when you don't have to pay the QB again because you have no other viable option. 
 

Yes you take the damn guard. See the above and previous posts for reasons why. Tell me how the pass rusher is going to help when Edelman/Dion Lewis is burning Orr in coverage and letting Brady get the ball out in less than 2 seconds. Tell me how that outside corner is going to help when Brady targets someone else. 

Again I am going to point this out to you. If Ozzie had it rated as you'd say, he still takes the 9.0/10. Why? Because there is absolutely no point in rating that player higher on his board if he isn't going to use the board. If Ozzie wanted to take the corner and he rated it equivalent, then he would prioritize based on need. The fact that one is rated above the other means that there is a significant gap between player X and player Y

They took him because he was their 10th best player. Not because he was an ILB. It just so happened to lineup. 

Smith was probably one of the most unheralded players in the league at the time. He was an incredibly good OLB for the Jaguars (PFF's second best OLB in 2011 before getting injured in 2012) and likely slipped unnoticed due to the team he played for and his injury. That was not about McClellan considering that the Ravens didn't sign Smith until June 5th. 

The Ravens cut Daryl Smith because he was not worth $4.5M against the cap. His play did not warrant his cap hit.

If 5 is a better player at quarterback than 6 as a corner, the Ravens will still take the corner. The Ravens also, in all likelihood, make a straight draft board that just runs linearly. They more than likely rank players into tiers and if player 5 and 6 fall into the same tier and 6 is a player at a position of greater need, they're going to take the player ranked sixth. It's not that difficult to understand.

I guarantee they would not have. I guarantee you if Rodgers came out in 2001, the Packers would not have taken him after Favre signed his extension.

If Orr is on Edelman or Lewis over Webb/Hill/Mosley, that's the inherent issue here. 

He was likely better than the 10th player available, but again, best player available at a position of need.

If the talent gap is nearly negligible, then Ozzie will definitely take the best player available at a position of need. On a sliding scale of 0.0-10.0, .1 point is likely to be considered small enough to take need into account. 

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So what makes you think they believe orr is the answer and that they wouldn't see it in a similar light? They could say Jack would be their bpa at 4 and so they take him at 6, and comparing vh3 to Jack in terms of pure talent, not many would make a very valid argument for vh3, regardless of need

Orr was already being rotated in with Daryl Smith, so there's already a certain degree of confidence that the Ravens have in Orr. 

VH3 is widely regarded as one of the cleanest corner prospects in a very long time and considered to have one of the highest floors in the draft. He's good enough that he'd likely be ranked in the same tier as Jack.

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Still waiting for someone to tell me how inside linebacker was a reason the Ravens went 5-11. Pass rusher and corner are absolutely two reasons the Ravens went 5-11.

Have not read the back and forth but to me, the lack of an impact player was a major reason we went 5-11. If we think there is one on the board, I personally could care less what position they play. 

[Sizzlebshu]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Orr was already being rotated in with Daryl Smith, so there's already a certain degree of confidence that the Ravens have in Orr. 

VH3 is widely regarded as one of the cleanest corner prospects in a very long time and considered to have one of the highest floors in the draft. He's good enough that he'd likely be ranked in the same tier as Jack.

About 10:1 (985/142). That's the ratio at which Smith was rotated out for Orr (assuming that they only subbed for each other which PROBABLY was not be the case.) Unless you think Smith didn't ever need rest, doubtful given his age, your point is wrong. 

Edited March 6, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Sizzlebshu said:

About 10:1 (985/142). That's the ratio at which Smith was rotated out for Orr (assuming that they only subbed for each other which PROBABLY was not be the case.) So your point is wrong. 

What's the snap breakdown by week?

[Sizzlebshu]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

What's the snap breakdown by week?

Who cares? If we go by your logic, the Ravens were in screw it mode since week 3 so it really isn't indicative of anything. 142 all season is a joke. It isn't even 10 snaps a game and the fact that he couldn't get on the field for MEANINGFUL games and/or snaps is telling enough. If he played the majority of his snaps in later games, that likely means he got close to 0 in earlier ones when games mattered more. 

Edited March 6, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Sizzlebshu said:

Who cares? If we go by your logic, the Ravens were in screw it mode since week 3 so it really isn't indicative of anything. 142 all season is a joke. It isn't even 10 snaps a game and the fact that he couldn't get on the field for MEANINGFUL games and/or snaps is telling enough. 

It matters because if they were just 10 snaps a game, he'd likely just be viewed as depth, but if he's getting like half the snaps a game at the end of the season, then the Ravens were likely testing it out to see if he's the longterm replacement on their defense.

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Orr was already being rotated in with Daryl Smith, so there's already a certain degree of confidence that the Ravens have in Orr. 

VH3 is widely regarded as one of the cleanest corner prospects in a very long time and considered to have one of the highest floors in the draft. He's good enough that he'd likely be ranked in the same tier as Jack.

On a very limited basis and obviously our defense wasn't anything special. 

 

Vh3 may be widely regarded as one of the more refined corners ever at his level and I'll agree there... But Jack is the first LB who can play slot corner for 4 quarters of asked, he's the first of his kind and Ozzie wouldn't wanna be the one to pass on a once in a lifetime player for a good cb. Vh3 is not on the same tier, thats like saying he has a ceiling like Ramsey or is as safe a bet to alter the franchise as tunsil, you are placing vh3 into a tier he simply is not in... And this is coming from a big vh3 fan

[Sizzlebshu]

28 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Smith was probably one of the most unheralded players in the league at the time. He was an incredibly good OLB for the Jaguars (PFF's second best OLB in 2011 before getting injured in 2012) and likely slipped unnoticed due to the team he played for and his injury. That was not about McClellan considering that the Ravens didn't sign Smith until June 5th. 

The Ravens cut Daryl Smith because he was not worth $4.5M against the cap. His play did not warrant his cap hit.

If 5 is a better player at quarterback than 6 as a corner, the Ravens will still take the corner. The Ravens also, in all likelihood, make a straight draft board that just runs linearly. They more than likely rank players into tiers and if player 5 and 6 fall into the same tier and 6 is a player at a position of greater need, they're going to take the player ranked sixth. It's not that difficult to understand.

I guarantee they would not have. I guarantee you if Rodgers came out in 2001, the Packers would not have taken him after Favre signed his extension.

If Orr is on Edelman or Lewis over Webb/Hill/Mosley, that's the inherent issue here. 

He was likely better than the 10th player available, but again, best player available at a position of need.

If the talent gap is nearly negligible, then Ozzie will definitely take the best player available at a position of need. On a sliding scale of 0.0-10.0, .1 point is likely to be considered small enough to take need into account. 

Cap hit and comp picks were the reason for the late signing. The signing itself was because they didn't trust Albert in that spot. Why? Because they invested extra money into the position. 

Again, proof or retract. 

Still think you're wrong here. Pass on a guy who was suppose to be the #1 overall pick and best overall player in the draft. Have quality depth for Favre who took an inordinate number of hits. Finally, leverage and a viable alternative to paying a 33 year old a long term and max contract.  

LOL. Well guess what pal, every team in the league has that problem. It is called a mismatch for a reason and unfortunately, it's not so simple to solve. Linebackers need to be able to cover in this league. 

And as for Ozzie on BPA. Here's the thing about Mosely. You completely neglect the fact Ozzie Newsome traded up to draft Arthur Brown the year before. So either Ozzie and Harbs gave up on the guy after 1 year or they took a luxury in Mosley or Harbs still thought a 2nd linebacker was a need. 

Repeating the same thing over and over again without providing explanation or justification on why that method is superior is not an argument. It's just asinine. 

As for your other comment

13 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Who cares? If we go by your logic, the Ravens were in screw it mode since week 3 so it really isn't indicative of anything. 142 all season is a joke. It isn't even 10 snaps a game and the fact that he couldn't get on the field for MEANINGFUL games and/or snaps is telling enough. If he played the majority of his snaps in later games, that likely means he got close to 0 in earlier ones when games mattered more. 

If Smith were playing poorly and on the cut block since week 3 then Orr gets more snaps. His total snaps amount to about 2 games maybe 3 total. That's not a decent enough sample size to base anything off of. 

Edited March 6, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

On a very limited basis and obviously our defense wasn't anything special. 

 

Vh3 may be widely regarded as one of the more refined corners ever at his level and I'll agree there... But Jack is the first LB who can play slot corner for 4 quarters of asked, he's the first of his kind and Ozzie wouldn't wanna be the one to pass on a once in a lifetime player for a good cb. Vh3 is not on the same tier, thats like saying he has a ceiling like Ramsey or is as safe a bet to alter the franchise as tunsil, you are placing vh3 into a tier he simply is not in... And this is coming from a big vh3 fan

But again, I bet 99% of fans wouldn't have noticed if Brown, McClellan, or Orr actually rotated in for Smith because the second inside linebacker isn't a majorly important position. Orr being the one to rotate in the most at the end of the season just tells me the front office views him as the favorite to start, not one of the other two.

He did that in college, not in the NFL. Try not to get too carried away here. Being able to play slot corner as an inside linebacker for four quarters and being able to flex out into the slot are two entirely different things here.

And VH3 might not have the ceiling Ramsey does (seriously, how many players, except maybe Stanley, do?), but he damn sure has a higher floor and could make a larger impact from day one

[Sizzlebshu]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But again, I bet 99% of fans wouldn't have noticed if Brown, McClellan, or Orr actually rotated in for Smith because the second inside linebacker isn't a majorly important position. Orr being the one to rotate in the most at the end of the season just tells me the front office views him as the favorite to start, not one of the other two.

He did that in college, not in the NFL. Try not to get too carried away here. Being able to play slot corner as an inside linebacker for four quarters and being able to flex out into the slot are two entirely different things here.

And VH3 might not have the ceiling Ramsey does (seriously, how many players, except maybe Stanley, do?), but he damn sure has a higher floor and could make a larger impact from day one

Imaginary What If Scenario. Who cares if the fans would have noticed. Seriously why even bring this up. What does this have to do with making a better football team. 

Or it just means they wanted to see what they had in terms of depth because the season was over so they could prioritize their off season. 

Your argument against Jack is the epitome of delusional and can be made against any prospect. Andrew Luck only played QB well in college before he went to the nfl. VH3 only played CB well some of the time in college. It's different in the nfl. Terrible argument. You give absolute no reason why VH3 isn't subject to same criticism you put on Jack nor do you point out any reason why Jack can't do the same thing in the NFL. 

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Cap hit and comp picks were the reason for the late signing. The signing itself was because they didn't trust Albert in that spot. Why? Because they invested extra money into the position. 

Again, proof or retract. 

Still think you're wrong here. Pass on a guy who was suppose to be the #1 overall pick and best overall player in the draft. Have quality depth for Favre who took an inordinate number of hits. Finally, leverage and a viable alternative to paying a 33 year old a long term and max contract.  

LOL. Well guess what pal, every team in the league has that problem. It is called a mismatch for a reason and unfortunately, it's not so simple to solve. Linebackers need to be able to cover in this league. 

And as for Ozzie on BPA. Here's the thing about Mosely. You completely neglect the fact Ozzie Newsome traded up to draft Arthur Brown the year before. So either Ozzie and Harbs gave up on the guy after 1 year or they took a luxury in Mosley or Harbs still thought a 2nd linebacker was a need. 

Repeating the same thing over and over again without providing explanation or justification on why that method is superior is not an argument. It's just asinine. 

As for your other comment

If Smith were playing poorly and on the cut block since week 3 then Orr gets more snaps. His total snaps amount to about 2 games maybe 3 total. That's not a decent enough sample size to base anything off of. 

If you had a chance to get a player the caliber of Smith for peanuts, would you not take it? Tell me you would pass him up. 

He was supposed to be, yet he falls all the way to 25, I believe. That means that the media valued him more than NFL teams did at the time.

Brett Favre, in 2001, was 31 years old and had just signed a 10 year contract (six years for salary cap purposes). There was really no chance they'd take a quarterback and just have him sit on the bench. Up to that point, Favre had played in every single game except one with GB and that one missed game came in his first year with the Packers. They'd really have no reason to sign another qiaterback after locking up their iron man for 10 years.

With the 3-4, if a half back or tight end is flexed out, it's more than likely an outside linebacker or safety is playing them.

Plus, it wouldn't shock me if the Ravens didn't have confidence in Brown after 2013. He couldn't grasp the playbook, didn't bulk up too well, if I'm remembering correctly, and didn't play special teams well. That's not a recipe for how to earn playing time with the Ravens. 

This is the NFL and you still have to earn your snaps. It's the reason Lewis continued to start over Brooks even though Brooks figures to be on the team next year and Lewis doesn't. 

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

Imaginary What If Scenario. Who cares if the fans would have noticed. Seriously why even bring this up. What does this have to do with making a better football team. 

Or it just means they wanted to see what they had in terms of depth because the season was over so they could prioritize their off season. 

Your argument against Jack is the epitome of delusional and can be made against any prospect. Andrew Luck only played QB well in college before he went to the nfl. VH3 only played CB well some of the time in college. It's different in the nfl. Terrible argument. You give absolute no reason why VH3 isn't subject to same criticism you put on Jack nor do you point out any reason why Jack can't do the same thing in the NFL. 

It goes back to the fact that a second inside linebacker would not have drastically improved the Ravens record the way better corner play or pass rush would have.

Still have to earn your snaps in this league. If that were simply the case, Canty and Lewis wouldn't have been defensive starters .

Because while Jack is athletic, covering an Edelman or a Graham will be a totally different animal. Just because Jack covered the slot sometimes in college does not mean he could for four quarters in the NFL. VH3, on the other hand, played probably 95%+ of his passing down snaps in coverage. 

If Jack were playing exclusively in the slot as a slot corner on passing downs, this argument would be different, but he wasn't 

Edited March 6, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But again, I bet 99% of fans wouldn't have noticed if Brown, McClellan, or Orr actually rotated in for Smith because the second inside linebacker isn't a majorly important position. Orr being the one to rotate in the most at the end of the season just tells me the front office views him as the favorite to start, not one of the other two.

He did that in college, not in the NFL. Try not to get too carried away here. Being able to play slot corner as an inside linebacker for four quarters and being able to flex out into the slot are two entirely different things here.

And VH3 might not have the ceiling Ramsey does (seriously, how many players, except maybe Stanley, do?), but he damn sure has a higher floor and could make a larger impact from day one

Trouble with that is that VH3 in this mock is Jacksonville's at #5.

I agree with you that the 2nd inside LB position is far from being the greatest need for us this year but regardless of whether Smith's release is or isn't the reason for Ravens to tailor the board accordingly, in this scenario there just isn't anybody else left in the draft who can compare to Jack at #6. Well maybe Buckner but I would hate that pick for us this year.

The only question mark I have is whether the Ravens will pull the trigger on clearly talented guy at position of questionable need or perhaps try to cash in on picks by trading back and pick couple other guys where needs are obvious?

I still want us to somehow get Spence, btw .

[JoeyFlex5]

20 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But again, I bet 99% of fans wouldn't have noticed if Brown, McClellan, or Orr actually rotated in for Smith because the second inside linebacker isn't a majorly important position. Orr being the one to rotate in the most at the end of the season just tells me the front office views him as the favorite to start, not one of the other two.

He did that in college, not in the NFL. Try not to get too carried away here. Being able to play slot corner as an inside linebacker for four quarters and being able to flex out into the slot are two entirely different things here.

And VH3 might not have the ceiling Ramsey does (seriously, how many players, except maybe Stanley, do?), but he damn sure has a higher floor and could make a larger impact from day one

Not noticing a player is only good for OL and cbs. the ILB is supposed to quarterback the defense and be around the ball as often as possible. Our REAL problem on defense was injuries and a general lack of speed, smarts, and playmaking, that was an issue across the board, not just at one position. You don't evaluate a players competition, you evaluate a players skill set, if you say "Jack played cb against college wrs so don't get carried away" you might as well say that for every prospect because they all face college opponents. Vh3 Will apparently not be able to play off man in the NFL because he's only done it against college competition... 

 

Jack in our defense wouldnt go unnoticed like orr, he would make a splash and force turnovers and make certain offensive players into nonfactors, vh3 could do the same but there's a difference between quarterbacking the defense and making plays all over the field and forcing the offense to look your way compared to working one side of the field and only showing up when you're targeted. I'm not saying ILB is a more impactful position than cb either, I'm just saying Myles Jack is the type of ilb who can have a much bigger impact than a cb. 

[Sizzlebshu]

23 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It goes back to the fact that a second inside linebacker would not have drastically improved the Ravens record the way better corner play or pass rush would have.

Still have to earn your snaps in this league. If that were simply the case, Canty and Lewis wouldn't have been defensive starters .

Because while Jack is athletic, covering an Edelman or a Graham will be a totally different animal. Just because Jack covered the slot sometimes in college does not mean he could for four quarters in the NFL. VH3, on the other hand, played probably 95%+ of his passing down snaps in coverage. 

If Jack were playing exclusively in the slot as a slot corner on passing downs, this argument would be different, but he wasn't 

The QB got hurt. No position is ever going to offset that so this point is a fallacy. 

So what you're saying is Orr couldn't earn snaps until the games were essentially irrelevant. Got it. 

Let me take your argument and apply it to Hargreeves. "Because while Hargeeves did okay in college, covering an AJ Green or an Antonio Brown will be a totally different animal." Just because Hargreeves got the better of receivers sone of the time in college does not mean he could in the NFL. Jack, on the other hand, did everything he was asked to do and more at a high level, even duties that were extremely uncommon for his position. 

Stop making terrible arguments. They only serve to hurt your main one

Jack isn't going to be in coverage on every single play (although he could and has done this. See vs USC and Nelson Agholor). Team run and throw the ball in the nfl and Jack has shown the ability to stay on the field all 3 downs and be an asset no matter what the play asks him to do. 

Edited March 6, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

The QB got hurt. No position is ever going to offset that so this point is a fallacy. 

So what you're saying is Orr couldn't earn snaps until the games were essentially irrelevant. Got it. 

Let me take your argument and apply it to Hargreeves. "Because while Hargeeves did okay in college, covering an AJ Green or an Antonio Brown will be a totally different animal." Just because Hargreeves got the better of receivers sone of the time in college does not mean he could in the NFL. Jack, on the other hand, did everything he was asked to do and more at a high level, even duties that were extremely uncommon for his position. 

Stop making terrible arguments. They only serve to hurt your main one

Jack isn't going to be in coverage on every single play (although he could and has done this. See vs USC and Nelson Agholor). Team run and throw the ball in the nfl and Jack has shown the ability to stay on the field all 3 downs and be an asset no matter what the play asks him to do. 

The Ravens started out 0-3 even with Joe. I personally believe that having better corner play or a better pass rush would have directly influenced games more than a second inside linebacker when Joe was healthy. Their lack of a pass rush and corners was a big reason they lost to Oakland and Cinci.

It doesn't matter if the games were irrelevant or not because he actually earned snaps. Players like Urban and Brooks still failed to do so, so there is something to be said about him actually working his way onto the field.

It certainly will be a totally different animal, but again, he played probably 95% of his passing snaps in coverage. I have confidence that he'll hold up well in coverage because he has demonstrated an extremely large sample size to do so.

Do I think Jack can play in coverage? Absolutely. He has shown incredible athleticism and still carries it from when he was a running back. However, the thing I was pointing out is that I wouldn't leave him in the slot for an entire game because I don't think he could hold up for an entire game. Not that it really maximizes his talents anyway.

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not noticing a player is only good for OL and cbs. the ILB is supposed to quarterback the defense and be around the ball as often as possible. Our REAL problem on defense was injuries and a general lack of speed, smarts, and playmaking, that was an issue across the board, not just at one position. You don't evaluate a players competition, you evaluate a players skill set, if you say "Jack played cb against college wrs so don't get carried away" you might as well say that for every prospect because they all face college opponents. Vh3 Will apparently not be able to play off man in the NFL because he's only done it against college competition... 

 

Jack in our defense wouldnt go unnoticed like orr, he would make a splash and force turnovers and make certain offensive players into nonfactors, vh3 could do the same but there's a difference between quarterbacking the defense and making plays all over the field and forcing the offense to look your way compared to working one side of the field and only showing up when you're targeted. I'm not saying ILB is a more impactful position than cb either, I'm just saying Myles Jack is the type of ilb who can have a much bigger impact than a cb. 

Not noticing a player is just saying that his impact is far less noticeable. I remember in the game threads would just instantly post Smith's name if a play was made by the second inside linebackr. No one actually notices because he doesn't alter the game in a major way.

Refer to what I told Sizzle about VH3. Playing occasionally in the slot in college does not translate into being able to do it for an entire game in the pros, not that it'd maximize his talents anyway.

Mosley quarterbacks the defense, and I wouldn't expect a rookie to come in and make the calls right out of the gate. But I wouldn't downplay the value of not even getting targeted as a corner. It's the reason Revis is widely viewed as one of the top 5 best defenders in the NFL right now. Not saying VH3 will have that type of impact, especially not right away, but I wouldn't downplay the value of a corner and place it under what Jack can do.

[RaineV1]

12 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think Oz would pass on Buckner for Jack. I can see Buckner drawing the higher rating than Jack and Buckner can potentially be seen as a guy who would fill a need pick. While you can argue that ILB might be a need to, it might not be as pressing as DE simply because of the different jobs that the positions do. I don't think adding Jack would make our team a whole lot better honestly. I think there are good ILBs you can get later on that can become potential pro bowl players. I can see ILB as a position we sign in FA or rely on Orr to step up.

Thing is, I don't think Jack is just an ILB. He's a LB, a safety, and in a pinch even a corner. He's similar to Troy Palumalu in his versatility and play making. Ozzie has always loved versatile guys.

[gabefergy]

On 3/5/2016 at 9:56 PM, Sizzlebshu said:

If i were doing this based on talent alone, I agree on Elliot so much. 

You and me could argue Butler all day and night, but I'm fairly confident that he hears his name called on day 1. Maybe a better performance at his pro day will bring you around? 

Penny for your thoughts on Lee. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like Lee, but he reminds me too much of Shazier to jump on his bandwagon. He clearly has the athleticism and playmaking ability. I'm not sold on him as a good coverage LB though.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd be happy with Myles Jack but I think he goes to Jacksonville. I think Dallas goes with Bosa, maybe Jack, possibly Buckner, or maybe Ezekiel Elliott, all of which make sense to me. I think Elliott is an underrated choice for them since he'll take pressure off Tony, help protect for him, can probably kill it behind the Dallas OL, while showing the ability to be a great receiving RB. He's the whole package. 

I think SD goes with Buckner, but I can see them take Bosa or Ramsey. 

I still think we'll end up with one of Ramsey or Bosa, but if both are gone for the sake of it and say Buckner and Hargreaves are there and Jack is gone I think we take Hargreaves. We like CB like him since he's a heavy, compact CB who can play physical. 

Rankins makes sense for the Giants but they could see value in other areas. Hankins is a beast for them. I can see Giants taking a CB and same goes for Philly. 

Another pick that surprised me is the Chiefs taking Dodd over Conklin. I think they'll look to improve their OL and their tackles especially. 

[GrimCoconut]

I just read this thread for the first time. Wow. I sense much narcissism in this thread. Calm down, fellas; it's just an online forum where we all ultimately have meaningless opinions. 

[Sizzlebshu]

On March 5, 2016 at 8:32 PM, rmw10 said:

I respect your thought process.  I disagree with some, but I can respect it at least.

To make a note, neither of the Panthers Ts are free agents.  Doesn't change that they could use a T, but wanted to throw that out there.

Got the panthers memo om pg 1.

 

as for the giants and eagles, who do they take? Fwiw the wagles arent extending nolan carrol because they want to get the rookie from last yr on the field more so while they may take a corner, i dont see it as a priority

Edited March 6, 2016 by Sizzlebshu
Ignore the quote and pretend its yours grim. New quote system sucks

[Sizzlebshu]

48 minutes ago, gabefergy said:

I like Lee, but he reminds me too much of Shazier to jump on his bandwagon. He clearly has the athleticism and playmaking ability. I'm not sold on him as a good coverage LB though.

You think injury prone? 

[Tru11]

At this moment we have 0 lbers that can man or zone coverage well.

So getting a lber who can do that is actually a pretty big need.

Mosley is decent in zone but horrible in man cov and the others guys are not even worth mentioning.

With Jack you could actually use mosley more as a blitzer in which he is pretty good at.
Heck you might even getting something out of brown since the only time he looks like he is worthing something is when he can be aggressive and blitz/attack the LOS...

 

[GrimCoconut]

36 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

At this moment we have 0 lbers that can man or zone coverage well.

So getting a lber who can do that is actually a pretty big need.

Mosley is decent in zone but horrible in man cov and the others guys are not even worth mentioning.

With Jack you could actually use mosley more as a blitzer in which he is pretty good at.
Heck you might even getting something out of brown since the only time he looks like he is worthing something is when he can be aggressive and blitz/attack the LOS...

 

Dean Pees also loves LBs. He makes a lot of use of them. I don't like how he uses our DL, but his use of our LBs is actually really good. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Grim and tru both make great points here. Pees is very clever with His lbs and would make great use of Jack and Mosley and a guy like Jack could do a lot for our secondary. That ridiculous coverage from a linebacker will scare offenses and they will avoid the middle of the field as much as possible, that gives our dbs a HUGE advantage

[PurpleCity5]

15 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Still waiting for someone to tell me how inside linebacker was a reason the Ravens went 5-11. Pass rusher and corner are absolutely two reasons the Ravens went 5-11.

Agreed. I don't think it was the reason that we went 5-11. I think Jack would make us a better team but not better than what we were in 2014. I think the biggest reason why our season went the way it did was because of the lack of play-makers in the secondary and offensive end. Now, while Jack could be a BPA pick, I think in this years draft we need to find an impact player at a position of NEED. I don't see ILB being the biggest need on the board. FWIW, I don't think Jack is that far ahead of Hargreaves, Stanley, or Buckner honestly, all of which could be need picks.

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Dean Pees also loves LBs. He makes a lot of use of them. I don't like how he uses our DL, but his use of our LBs is actually really good. 

We also take pride in developing LBs drafted late or undrafted, so we might target someone later than Jack in 1st.