[News] Late For Work 3/4: Ozzie Newsome Making Moves To Clear Cap Space. What's Up His Sleeve?

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Next three priorities. Will Daryl really return? If not, who takes over: Zach Orr, Arthur Brown, Myles Jack?

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[BmoreB]

KO is a goner, unfortunately. Monroe is staying which is also unfortunate. I think the CB position will surely be addressed through both free agency and the draft.

[ellicottraven]

If Laremy Tunsil falls to us and we retain K.O at guard, we'll have an astonishingly stout run game where I could be successful at RB!

[jravens13]

KO is a goner, unfortunately. Monroe is staying which is also unfortunate. I think the CB position will surely be addressed through both free agency and the draft.

How do you know that? He is shopping his deal and we cleared cap space to potentially bump our offer to keep him in Baltimore. Team's will not pay him as a top Tackle only playing 4 games at the position.

[stixfix69]

I really dislike the cap.....To many players who lived up to their rookie potential, and who the coaches made them better go for the cha ching....Hoping KO sticks around....

[RavensDieHard21]

If Laremy Tunsil falls to us and we retain K.O at guard, we'll have an astonishingly stout run game where I could be successful at RB!

Ik Tunsil fell to us and we kept KO then I would say that our line might be better than Dallas's line. Actually it would be because I think our guards are better lol Joe wouldn't have to worry about running for his life and could step up in the pocket so easily. I am a huge Tunsil fan. He is the best LT coming out since Tyron Smith.

[RavensDieHard21]

This draft just needs to get here and I pray that some team ahead of us makes a surprising move, except Cleveland taking a defensive player. If Dallas or SD takes Elliot or some other random talent that isn't in the consensus top 5 then we will be getting Jacked up! Him and CJ will be great together, especially with the big bodies upfront occupying blockers.

[SUGGStobeDUMED]

I do NOT envy having to make a decision on Marlon Brown. He could be the highest TD catching rookie, or he could be Marlon of the past 3 years...

[billiejean]

  32 minutes ago, BmoreB said:

KO is a goner, unfortunately. Monroe is staying which is also unfortunate. I think the CB position will surely be addressed through both free agency and the draft.

How do you know that? He is shopping his deal and we cleared cap space to potentially bump our offer to keep him in Baltimore. Team's will not pay him as a top Tackle only playing 4 games at the position.

Nobody should give him top tackle money, including us.

[fusuymada]

ILB is too important a position to just rely on Miles Jack, a draft pick that was injured last year and only has his sophomore year as tape to evaluate. We did that "rely on a wr thing" last year with Perriman and it destroyed our offense. Flacco's yards per pass was horrible after losing Torrey Smith, who was our deep threat. Losing that deep threat destroyed Flacco as a qb because when you have that strong of an arm and have relied for years on it, to then to do nothing but throw short and intermediate passes was devastating. Lets not make that same mistake this year with an ILB. If you cut Smith and Orr or Arthur Brown aren't ready (and they aren't) you have to get a veteran ILB or with the cover skills of these guys, teams will just throw to their running backs all day who our linebackers can't get within 3 yards of.

[January J]

I think we will see what KO can get on the open market- give him one more respectable offer and tell him to take it or leave it. He obviously knows we are the reason his value was increased anyway.

[bioLarzen]

Just about everybody agrees that if KO decides to test his FA market, Ozzie's best offer is almost surely gonna be easily outbidden. What nobody is asking: WHY wouldn't KO test his market? What would him hold back? "Hometown discount"? Nah. Why would he hurt himself and his family? An unbeatable offer from Ozzie? Nah - we have nowhere near enough cap room... Just take this: at the moment we have somewhere between 10 and 15 million in free cap space. The Jags, for example, have nearly 100 million...

So... why would KO choose to pass on testing the market? Anyone give me one good and realistic reason... One.

Edited March 4, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

" Another option is Brandon LaFell, who was cut by the New England Patriots. He won't beat defenders downfield with his speed, but he is a big-bodied target who can make contested catches. "

 

... and just as many uncontested drops...

 

(Why has the "delete formatting" option been removed from the editing toolset?)

[WNC-Raven]

I do NOT envy having to make a decision on Marlon Brown. He could be the highest TD catching rookie, or he could be Marlon of the past 3 years...

I never understood why so many fans are all about Marlon Brown. Aside from having a decent rookie year he has done nothing since despite having no one special to beat out. Yet he hasnt been able to outplay our 2nd and 3rd string receivers. I really am confused why anyone would still be supporting him. Someone please explain their rational. They could cut him tomorrow and I wouldnt even read the article.

[bioLarzen]

If you quoted the RSR about Myles Jack, here's another quote from SRS on him, by Kyle Casey, in his piece "Prospects the Ravens Should Avoid at 6":

 

Quote

 

Jack is a popular choice due to Baltimore’s history of selecting the “best player of available.” The Ravens will certainly consider him, but he would not net the best return.

Jack is a (no pun intended) jack of all trades, master of none. He is an open-field, run-and-chase linebacker. He has some experience rushing off the edge, but at 6’1, 245 pounds with a small lower half, could he really be relied on to become a full-time edge rusher in the NFL?

If not a full-time edge rusher, where would he play in Baltimore’s defense? Would he be a nickel linebacker who occasionally goes after the quarterback? Is that really the best way to capitalize on the opportunity of having the sixth overall pick?

The Ravens need a guy who provides value off the edge on every down. They don’t need another solid inside linebacker to take the place of Daryl Smith. That is where Jack projects.

And that’s without getting into how his 2015 season-ending torn meniscus might affect him moving forward.

 

 

Kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

 

 

[bioLarzen]

"Should the Ravens sign Arian Foster?"

 

Nope, IMHO. The way and degree that poor guy was overused in Houston should be punishable by law...

Edited March 4, 2016 by bioLarzen

[n#7]

Myles Jack? Instead of Bosa or Buckner? No, No, No. Please!

[n#7]

If you quoted the RSR about Myles Jack, here's another quote from SRS on him, by Kyle Casey, in his piece "Prospects the Ravens Should Avoid at 6":

 

  Quote

 

Jack is a popular choice due to Baltimore’s history of selecting the “best player of available.” The Ravens will certainly consider him, but he would not net the best return.

Jack is a (no pun intended) jack of all trades, master of none. He is an open-field, run-and-chase linebacker. He has some experience rushing off the edge, but at 6’1, 245 pounds with a small lower half, could he really be relied on to become a full-time edge rusher in the NFL?

If not a full-time edge rusher, where would he play in Baltimore’s defense? Would he be a nickel linebacker who occasionally goes after the quarterback? Is that really the best way to capitalize on the opportunity of having the sixth overall pick?

The Ravens need a guy who provides value off the edge on every down. They don’t need another solid inside linebacker to take the place of Daryl Smith. That is where Jack projects.

And that’s without getting into how his 2015 season-ending torn meniscus might affect him moving forward.

 

 

Kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

 

 

It certainly does. Hopefully they won't waste the #6 on him. Although a different position we don't need another Elam type pick.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Myles Jack? Instead of Bosa or Buckner? No, No, No. Please!

Myles Jack is a better football player than that garbage review you linked. In college his coaches just wanted to use him everywhere they could to help their school and program. Once Jack is able to settle into a single role he will be able to excel. Also D. Smith is now gone, allowing Mosley to slide to Mike and perhaps Jack to come in and play Will. Joey Bosa, is okay but really a one trick pony that will not be as effective at the next level due to losing his size advantage. He is just big and strong and fast. His pass rush is a bull rush without explosion but he has a high motor that got him by in college. He was also an after thought before Noah Spence was kicked from the team. Buckner is a better choice IMHO, however Ravens are already quite stout along the D-line. Possible they go after Buckner, but I doubt it. Reality is Myles Jack, Vernon Hargreaves or Ronnie Stanley are the most likely prospects to be drafted, should the Ravens hold at #6 and not try to trade up or down. Personally I think K.O. will stay and Monroe be cut, but not force the Ravens to go OT in the first round. Hargreaves is good, real good, but my personal take is Florida Gators players (specifically secondary) do not learn to tackle well enough. This is a concern, because as good as any player is including Hargreaves, players will catch deep balls sometimes but will he be strong enough to make sure tackles by wrapping up. Every ex-Gator secondary player I've seen in the last 10 years always go for this big hit, instead of wrapping up their man and ensuring they bring him down. Hargreaves also does this "gator chomp" (i call it) tackle, where he appears to wrap up but really is a well timed body slam type move. This scares me when drafting a CB/S this high. Elam had similar type issues, he was relatively good but missing tackles caught up to him and seemed to affect his confidence in a significant manner. I honestly do think the Ravens trade up to #2, or #3 to get their guy. Might even give them at shot at Ramsey. There are definitely teams that would like extra picks to build a roster and the Ravens might not even need to give up much in a trade. Moving within 5 picks is not going to break the bank for the Ravens. Instead of complaining a player isn't good enough try explaining why whoever you think they should take is worth it with facts or your own perspective. If you just believe everything the media tells you than your not really forming your own opinions.

[The Greek]

  2 hours ago, n#7 said:

Myles Jack? Instead of Bosa or Buckner? No, No, No. Please!

Myles Jack is a better football player than that garbage review you linked. In college his coaches just wanted to use him everywhere they could to help their school and program. Once Jack is able to settle into a single role he will be able to excel. Also D. Smith is now gone, allowing Mosley to slide to Mike and perhaps Jack to come in and play Will. Joey Bosa, is okay but really a one trick pony that will not be as effective at the next level due to losing his size advantage. He is just big and strong and fast. His pass rush is a bull rush without explosion but he has a high motor that got him by in college. He was also an after thought before Noah Spence was kicked from the team. Buckner is a better choice IMHO, however Ravens are already quite stout along the D-line. Possible they go after Buckner, but I doubt it. Reality is Myles Jack, Vernon Hargreaves or Ronnie Stanley are the most likely prospects to be drafted, should the Ravens hold at #6 and not try to trade up or down. Personally I think K.O. will stay and Monroe be cut, but not force the Ravens to go OT in the first round. Hargreaves is good, real good, but my personal take is Florida Gators players (specifically secondary) do not learn to tackle well enough. This is a concern, because as good as any player is including Hargreaves, players will catch deep balls sometimes but will he be strong enough to make sure tackles by wrapping up. Every ex-Gator secondary player I've seen in the last 10 years always go for this big hit, instead of wrapping up their man and ensuring they bring him down. Hargreaves also does this "gator chomp" (i call it) tackle, where he appears to wrap up but really is a well timed body slam type move. This scares me when drafting a CB/S this high. Elam had similar type issues, he was relatively good but missing tackles caught up to him and seemed to affect his confidence in a significant manner. I honestly do think the Ravens trade up to #2, or #3 to get their guy. Might even give them at shot at Ramsey. There are definitely teams that would like extra picks to build a roster and the Ravens might not even need to give up much in a trade. Moving within 5 picks is not going to break the bank for the Ravens. Instead of complaining a player isn't good enough try explaining why whoever you think they should take is worth it with facts or your own perspective. If you just believe everything the media tells you than your not really forming your own opinions.

you would be surprised how many picks it would cost us just to move up 3 or 4 spots. not worth it imo. we will get a solid player at #6 or acquire more picks by trading back with a qb needy team

[jravens13]

Myles Jack gives you so much versatility. He is an absolute freak athlete who can play everywhere on the field. He puts Jalen Ramsey to shame, and has much better tape. He is probably the best defensive player in the draft, but we all know pass rushers come at a premium. Right now it seems like BPA will work out because we have needs at OLB, CB, ILB, and OT: (Bosa, Hargreaves, Jack, and Stanley)

[Maryland]

Brandon Williams' arm is so incredibly huge in that bottom pic, wow

[RavensBaltimore]

I do NOT envy having to make a decision on Marlon Brown. He could be the highest TD catching rookie, or he could be Marlon of the past 3 years...

To me, it's pretty obvious. Marlon's rookie season was nowhere near good enough to warrant overlooking the lack of production the past couple seasons. The only way you keep a guy who has done virtually nothing for the last 2 seasons is if he has Josh Gordon type of potential, which he clearly doesn't. He isn't fast, isn't quick, and he doesn't use his size to make contested catches very often, if at all. I think his stats were inflated his rookie year because he and Torrey were really the only receivers who were able to stay healthy all year.

[mendii]

I'd really like us to get Myles Jack in the draft, him and Mosely together would be one of the best linebacker duos in the league for the next decade

[gekaap]

I don't really think re-signing KO is priority #1. Maybe #2. Reason being that Ozzie looks to get the most bang for his total resources availble. When you consider the possibility of drafting Ronnie Stanley at #6, KO is not as efficient of a way to spend money. Ravens need a starting LT, and DEPTH at CB. Re-signing KO gives them a the starting LT, but turns their attention in the draft probably to the CB position where the "best" way to use that #6 spot ends up being overkill for ADDING DEPTH. And it would be an absolute waste to use that pick on a WR.

Of course, one alternative if KO is re-signed might be to use that #6 pick to trade back a big and grab an extra total pick, and pick up someone late in the 1st round that nobody would ever predict us going for. That would be an Ozzie thing to do.

[sticks999]

Marlon has to go. I would much rather have a rookie instead of Marlon. Its worth the chance on someone new.

[bmoraven]

I hope OZ has some magic up his sleeve, because the deal with Flacco will haunt us in 2 seasons

[balfan23]

4 hours ago, gekaap said:

I don't really think re-signing KO is priority #1. Maybe #2. Reason being that Ozzie looks to get the most bang for his total resources availble. When you consider the possibility of drafting Ronnie Stanley at #6, KO is not as efficient of a way to spend money. Ravens need a starting LT, and DEPTH at CB. Re-signing KO gives them a the starting LT, but turns their attention in the draft probably to the CB position where the "best" way to use that #6 spot ends up being overkill for ADDING DEPTH. And it would be an absolute waste to use that pick on a WR.

Of course, one alternative if KO is re-signed might be to use that #6 pick to trade back a big and grab an extra total pick, and pick up someone late in the 1st round that nobody would ever predict us going for. That would be an Ozzie thing to do.

I don't know ... I have to admit I have my heart set on getting a game changing defender with this high of a pick. I think we'll have our shot at that kind of guy at #6. I think of it this way - is there a starting defensive player at a position of need (edge rush or secondary) available on the FA that we can afford that is the equal of what KO would be for our O line? I don't think so. So spend the money on our own guy and get a starting defensive player at a position of need via the draft. As good as Stanley may be, I cringe when I think of watching the other teams pick from the group of defensive guys that will be available to us. 

[balfan23]

I don't know that the release of Smith was directly tied to our level of interest in Jack, but I feel like may have increased the potential for him to be our pick. Still, I think the Ravens are going to be a little concerned about bringing in a rookie coming off a significant injury ... especially a pick this high. 

For me, its either Bosa (who is still a longshot), VH3 or Buckner. Jack is an intriguing player, but with significant boom/bust potential. I'm not sure we're going to be willing to roll the dice with this high of a pick

[n#7]

  11 hours ago, n#7 said:

Myles Jack? Instead of Bosa or Buckner? No, No, No. Please!

Myles Jack is a better football player than that garbage review you linked. In college his coaches just wanted to use him everywhere they could to help their school and program. Once Jack is able to settle into a single role he will be able to excel. Also D. Smith is now gone, allowing Mosley to slide to Mike and perhaps Jack to come in and play Will. Joey Bosa, is okay but really a one trick pony that will not be as effective at the next level due to losing his size advantage. He is just big and strong and fast. His pass rush is a bull rush without explosion but he has a high motor that got him by in college. He was also an after thought before Noah Spence was kicked from the team. Buckner is a better choice IMHO, however Ravens are already quite stout along the D-line. Possible they go after Buckner, but I doubt it. Reality is Myles Jack, Vernon Hargreaves or Ronnie Stanley are the most likely prospects to be drafted, should the Ravens hold at #6 and not try to trade up or down. Personally I think K.O. will stay and Monroe be cut, but not force the Ravens to go OT in the first round. Hargreaves is good, real good, but my personal take is Florida Gators players (specifically secondary) do not learn to tackle well enough. This is a concern, because as good as any player is including Hargreaves, players will catch deep balls sometimes but will he be strong enough to make sure tackles by wrapping up. Every ex-Gator secondary player I've seen in the last 10 years always go for this big hit, instead of wrapping up their man and ensuring they bring him down. Hargreaves also does this "gator chomp" (i call it) tackle, where he appears to wrap up but really is a well timed body slam type move. This scares me when drafting a CB/S this high. Elam had similar type issues, he was relatively good but missing tackles caught up to him and seemed to affect his confidence in a significant manner. I honestly do think the Ravens trade up to #2, or #3 to get their guy. Might even give them at shot at Ramsey. There are definitely teams that would like extra picks to build a roster and the Ravens might not even need to give up much in a trade. Moving within 5 picks is not going to break the bank for the Ravens. Instead of complaining a player isn't good enough try explaining why whoever you think they should take is worth it with facts or your own perspective. If you just believe everything the media tells you than your not really forming your own opinions.

One can bloviate all they want about a certain topic or player but the bottom line is that Jack is a real(not imagined) gamble that the vast majority of scouts say is not worth a # 6 pick. He had a very serious knee injury and no matter how good an athlete is a bum knee will cancel out the best of them. It's been quite a while since the Ravens picked this high and they can ill afford to gamble with such a questionable pick as him. They're in the rebuilding mode on D(for the most part) and ill afford a setback with those plans. A 2,3 pick maybe. A #1, esp. at 6, no way!