[News] Analysts Predict Kelechi Osemele, Courtney Upshaw Outcomes

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Will Kelechi Osemele test the open market? What if he does? Who might bid on Upshaw’s services?

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[whobilly]

Let some other team over pay Upshaw. A good player that will never be an impact game changing player.

[verified]

release upshaw and the rest of ozzies terrible draft picks this team is broken

[Smoke0121]

Upshaw is in that revolving door position for the Ravens where the player develops at that "edge setter" position, then hits free agency. Another team always overpays them to be the next great pass rusher, but they never really justify the money spent. Upshaw has a choice to make just like Pernell McPhee before him...and Arthur Jones...and Paul Kruger...and Jarrett Johnson...should I keep going?

[ravensnj]

Upshaw is in that revolving door position for the Ravens where the player develops at that "edge setter" position, then hits free agency. Another team always overpays them to be the next great pass rusher, but they never really justify the money spent. Upshaw has a choice to make just like Pernell McPhee before him...and Arthur Jones...and Paul Kruger...and Jarrett Johnson...should I keep going?

Only difference, Upshaw can't rush the passer/

[harfordravenfan]

7 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Only difference, Upshaw can't rush the passer/

Thinking his best chance for a payday is the colts

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Let some other team over pay Upshaw. A good player that will never be an impact game changing player.

Upshaw might not be the flashy playmaking type but the is the solid grinder that gets the job done and done well. He isn't asked to rush the passer much. He's asked to deny ball carriers and don't think he did not have his moments. Just ask Big Ben. ^_^

[Matty G]

I was thinking 2.5-3 mill max a year would be a good number for Upshaw. Can't really see teams paying more due to his sack numbers. And I am hoping Kelechi doesn't want anything north of 9. I think the Ravens would def bring him back at 8-9 mill a year. I am curious of what their previous offer was. It would be great if we could resign all of our important free agents and try to keep this team together.

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Upshaw might not be the flashy playmaking type but the is the solid grinder that gets the job done and done well. He isn't asked to rush the passer much. He's asked to deny ball carriers and don't think he did not have his moments. Just ask Big Ben.

 

His major flaw is that he is so slooow.

[billiejean]

  42 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Only difference, Upshaw can't rush the passer/

Thinking his best chance for a payday is the colts

unfortunately for the colts their 2013 first round pick was Bjoern Werner. He was supposed to be a phenomenal pass rusher but he fills the same role as Upshaw does for the Ravens. I don't think he does it as well as Shaw does though.

[billiejean]

19 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

23 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Upshaw might not be the flashy playmaking type but the is the solid grinder that gets the job done and done well. He isn't asked to rush the passer much. He's asked to deny ball carriers and don't think he did not have his moments. Just ask Big Ben.

 

His major flaw is that he is so slooow.

you know I thought this being his contract year and all, that maybe he would drop ten pounds and pick up some speed. He always comes in heavy though.  Its a shame because he had 9.5 sacks in his senior year at bama.

Edited March 4, 2016 by billiejean

[ellicottraven]

If we can't keep K.O after this it will be darn shame. Especially after effectively insulting the only other viable option in Monroe by the statements made, we are nearing a really terrible predicament with no LT or starting LG on our team. In times like these we end up overpaying for services that we tend to regret down the road. My sense is we shouldn't offer top tackle money to K.O simply because he is unproven at tackle and was serviceable at tackle for a total of 4 games. Is he worth paying top tackle money for? No, I don't think so. Top guard money or average tackle money is all they have to pay for K.O. If not, we need to get somebody else.

[bigcatfrank1]

OK So here is the magic question- here are your choices take KO for 10 mil, Upshaw for 3.5 mil .... one, both or none at all ? and lets say fairly level contracts for 3 years just for grins.

[bigcatfrank1]

OK So here is the magic question- here are your choices take KO for 10 mil, Upshaw for 3.5 mil .... one, both or none at all ? and lets say fairly level contracts for 3 years just for grins.

incentive..bonus and a 4th year option with each.

[bigcatfrank1]

If we can't keep K.O after this it will be darn shame. Especially after effectively insulting the only other viable option in Monroe by the statements made, we are nearing a really terrible predicament with no LT or starting LG on our team. In times like these we end up overpaying for services that we tend to regret down the road. My sense is we shouldn't offer top tackle money to K.O simply because he is unproven at tackle and was serviceable at tackle for a total of 4 games. Is he worth paying top tackle money for? No, I don't think so. Top guard money or average tackle money is all they have to pay for K.O. If not, we need to get somebody else.

I would take KO for 10 mil and Upshaw for 3.5 Mil....I would even cut Forsett to get them. lol

[thecommish]

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

If we can't keep K.O after this it will be darn shame. Especially after effectively insulting the only other viable option in Monroe by the statements made, we are nearing a really terrible predicament with no LT or starting LG on our team. In times like these we end up overpaying for services that we tend to regret down the road. My sense is we shouldn't offer top tackle money to K.O simply because he is unproven at tackle and was serviceable at tackle for a total of 4 games. Is he worth paying top tackle money for? No, I don't think so. Top guard money or average tackle money is all they have to pay for K.O. If not, we need to get somebody else.

I would take KO for 10 mil and Upshaw for 3.5 Mil....I would even cut Forsett to get them. lol

I think that KO is proven at LT... he played a quarter of the season there this past year against division foes... and was dominant. He may be an even better G... We have a starting G or two (with or without KO in Urschel and Jensen who are both quality starters in this league and only getting better. If we cannot re-sign KO... I see us drafting Stanley in Round 1... This secure our LT position for years to come at a very cap friendly price!

[thecommish]

Upshaw is worth more to the Ravens then just about anywhere else. Not too many teams are going to be willing to pay him top $ to be a 1 dimensional LB.... The Ravens however are more then happy with what Upshaw brings to the rotation. Upshaw needs to re-sign here and drop 10-12 pounds and light it up next season.

[bigcatfrank1]

Upshaw is worth more to the Ravens then just about anywhere else. Not too many teams are going to be willing to pay him top $ to be a 1 dimensional LB.... The Ravens however are more then happy with what Upshaw brings to the rotation. Upshaw needs to re-sign here and drop 10-12 pounds and light it up next season.

its all about the dollars

[Maryland]

I would like to just move on from Upshaw. He becomes a liability on passing downs because he cannot rush the passer or cover a RB out of the backfield. It's basically 10 on 11 when he is out there on a passing play, and considering the majority of snaps are pass plays, Upshaw's value has been significantly decreased. Pees himself has a knack for putting Upshaw into coverage situations, which really isn't ideal given his skillset. If Pees needs his strong-side LBs to have coverage skills, then he needs to move on from Upshaw and find a more balanced LB.

[jravens13]

If we can't keep K.O after this it will be darn shame. Especially after effectively insulting the only other viable option in Monroe by the statements made, we are nearing a really terrible predicament with no LT or starting LG on our team. In times like these we end up overpaying for services that we tend to regret down the road. My sense is we shouldn't offer top tackle money to K.O simply because he is unproven at tackle and was serviceable at tackle for a total of 4 games. Is he worth paying top tackle money for? No, I don't think so. Top guard money or average tackle money is all they have to pay for K.O. If not, we need to get somebody else.

I think 9M/Year is the magic number. I think teams are less likely to pay him as a Tackle, but consider his versatility as a bonus. He will get top guard money offers on the open market.

[hen826957]

Ozzie should try to keep both if they have the chance. These two are huge parts of our team.

[Dorota]

KO is better at guard than majority players in the league and he holds up at blindside tackle too, however, if he wants to be the highest paid guard in the league, then bye-bye, because I still think Yanda deserves more. Yanda is an absolute beast and is more durable, doesn't have back problems and can play through injuries as he's proved in the Super Bowl run. If KO stays, I'll be really happy, but if he really wants top dollar, he'll find it elsewhere.
I'd like to keep Upshaw, if we can and if he isn't more expensive than his worth. He's not flashy, he's not a pass rusher, but he does an important job and he does it well. Provided we either get a fit Sizzle back, Joey Bosa, or ZaDarius Smith transformed to pass rush, Upshaw is the one who draws enough attention to allow them to do it.

PS: I'm heartbroken over Buck (Daryl Smith) leaving. Canty I like too, but Buck is still a beast, while football was taking a toll on Canty these last two years, and he will do great in TV.

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, thecommish said:

I think that KO is proven at LT... he played a quarter of the season there this past year against division foes... and was dominant. He may be an even better G... We have a starting G or two (with or without KO in Urschel and Jensen who are both quality starters in this league and only getting better. If we cannot re-sign KO... I see us drafting Stanley in Round 1... This secure our LT position for years to come at a very cap friendly price!

I don't understand what the hold up is. KO is more valuable to the Ravens than any other team out there. His chances of sucess here is higher than any other place making the chances of us honoring his contract higher than anywhere else. Making him the highest paid Guard in football would not be a bad investment especially when we consider his age and that like Yanda he can slide to Tacke if we need him and the drop off is little to none.

[Tru11]

13 hours ago, verified said:

release upshaw and the rest of ozzies terrible draft picks this team is broken

 i love to know how we are supposed to release a player who is not under contract.

 

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I don't understand what the hold up is. KO is more valuable to the Ravens than any other team out there. His chances of sucess here is higher than any other place making the chances of us honoring his contract higher than anywhere else. Making him the highest paid Guard in football would not be a bad investment especially when we consider his age and that like Yanda he can slide to Tacke if we need him and the drop off is little to none.

The Ravens likely have no interest in him playing Guard for this team.

If he came out and said he wanted to play Guard, I guarantee we would immediately pull our offer. You don't pay a tandem of guards over $15M a year. You can find really good Guards in this league for $10M a year or less when not on rookie deals.

[PalmBayRaven]

If we can't keep K.O after this it will be darn shame. Especially after effectively insulting the only other viable option in Monroe by the statements made, we are nearing a really terrible predicament with no LT or starting LG on our team. In times like these we end up overpaying for services that we tend to regret down the road. My sense is we shouldn't offer top tackle money to K.O simply because he is unproven at tackle and was serviceable at tackle for a total of 4 games. Is he worth paying top tackle money for? No, I don't think so. Top guard money or average tackle money is all they have to pay for K.O. If not, we need to get somebody else.

I could care less about insulting Eugene Monroe. He has insulted me with his play which we have already over paid for.

[Smoke0121]

20 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Only difference, Upshaw can't rush the passer/

Ben Roethlisberger begs to differ.

[PalmBayRaven]

  20 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Only difference, Upshaw can't rush the passer/

Ben Roethlisberger begs to differ.

He actually has a couple nice hits on Big Ben!

[Matty G]

  17 hours ago, thecommish said:

Upshaw is worth more to the Ravens then just about anywhere else. Not too many teams are going to be willing to pay him top $ to be a 1 dimensional LB.... The Ravens however are more then happy with what Upshaw brings to the rotation. Upshaw needs to re-sign here and drop 10-12 pounds and light it up next season.

its all about the dollars

I really doubt other teams would offer Upshaw more than 3 mill average a year. I mean he is a situation player and his value is def worth more to the Ravens than any other team. And I really hope we can keep KO, Im sure this is priority number one for the Ravens. Losing KO would be a real bummer for sure

[usmccharles]

9 hours ago, Tru11 said:

 i love to know how we are supposed to release a player who is not under contract.

 

Most people who make such negative comments don't know what they they're talking about,  case in point