[News] Late For Work 3/3: What They're Saying About Joe Flacco's New Deal

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Flacco celebrates in sweatpants at Dunkin’ Donuts. Will K.O. stay? Cuts expected. Richardson on back burner.

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[merryjman]

I like what Hensley said: No, he's not elite; yes, he's really good; no, there's nobody better than him available; yes, it's way better to overpay someone you can trust and who fits than to gamble on an unknown quantity. Very well-put.

Plus, just like last time he's the first of what are sure to be lots of restructures and new contracts, so pretty soon he won't be the highest paid anymore, just like last time.

Edited March 3, 2016 by merryjman

[TheRavengers]

Flacco gets to stay/retire with the Ravens, KO might stay too, and I'm okay with all of that.

[Edug27]

So if his contract is 6 years 125 mill overall (20.8 per year), can someone please explain how Flacco is the highest paid player in the NFL when Rodgers is making 22 per year?

[hen826957]

@Edug27 if l'm correct, l believe Aaron Rodgers is making more money than Joe based on per year 22.1 M of his 110M contract for 5 years but Joe gets more money in his entire contract with 125M over 6 years. Hope that answers your question.

[budman]

6 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

So if his contract is 6 years 125 mill overall (20.8 per year), can someone please explain how Flacco is the highest paid player in the NFL when Rodgers is making 22 per year?

3 year extension 66.4 mil.= 22.1.

[b93333]

We didn't free up a ton of cap space for this year... I hope the FO knows what they are doing.

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

So if his contract is 6 years 125 mill overall (20.8 per year), can someone please explain how Flacco is the highest paid player in the NFL when Rodgers is making 22 per year?

They're only comparing it as part of the extension piece, which was $22.1M per year.

He got $22.1M per year of "new money".

[bioLarzen]

Flacco gets to stay/retire with the Ravens, KO might stay too, and I'm okay with all of that.

The +6M for this off-season the new Flacco-deal cleared up probably won't make us much more competitive in KO's market - there are G-needy teams that can still easily overbid us.

If KO is primarily after the money, I still don't think we'll see him back in purple.

[surfdude]

Look I'm all about people getting "theirs" BUT Flacco and his agent got a little greedy IMO. Flacco can't stare into the camera and say he wants to win and them sign a contract that really doesn't do anything for the team. A lot of speculation was saving 7 - 12 million this year 6 isn't all that much relief. I understand that good QB's are very important and rare and most will end up getting paid 20 million plus, but why all the highest paid bonus and highest paid? Plus I lost a little respect for Flacco showing his signing bonus check to Cap and Juice and laughing about it. Thought he was more low key and humble then to do something like that guess I was wrong. One should never brag or show off to those less fortunate.

[Edug27]

25 minutes ago, budman said:

3 year extension 66.4 mil.= 22.1.

Right. But that's only including the extension. Over the life of the 6 year contract its 20.8. (3 years remaining + 3 years extension) It becomes one new 6 year deal right?

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Look I'm all about people getting "theirs" BUT Flacco and his agent got a little greedy IMO. Flacco can't stare into the camera and say he wants to win and them sign a contract that really doesn't do anything for the team. A lot of speculation was saving 7 - 12 million this year 6 isn't all that much relief. I understand that good QB's are very important and rare and most will end up getting paid 20 million plus, but why all the highest paid bonus and highest paid? Plus I lost a little respect for Flacco showing his signing bonus check to Cap and Juice and laughing about it. Thought he was more low key and humble then to do something like that guess I was wrong. One should never brag or show off to those less fortunate.

1. Whoever said that they would create $12M in cap space for that deal was merely spreading lies and misinformation. The expectation from all reasonable parties who understood what the Ravens were trying to do fully expected him to carry a cap # north of $20M in 2016, meaning AT MOST you'd see about $8M in cap savings. 

2. The highest paid bonus piece is probably more of a Ravens franchise decision than anything, since it allows them to spread out the cap hit a bit more. If he had agreed to a $25-30M signing bonus, chances are they would have either built in another option bonus in year 2 or 3 (like they did on the last deal, which was a mistake in my opinion) or just give him a higher first year salary. Either way, Joe was going to clean up from a cash perspective in 2016.

3. The highest paid player part is just the media propping up stuff and only looking at a small piece. He's the highest paid on an AAV for his three year extension only. He's due for about $125M in the next six years, which isn't the highest paid in terms of AAV.

4. Flacco's deal did plenty for the team. It helped the team flatten out his cap impact over time (was the entire goal for the organization) and it reduced his cap number by $6M in 2016 and another $7M in 2017. It also gave the Ravens long term stability at the QB position and they know they don't have to negotiate with him against for at least 4-5 years.

Unlike the first contract, this deal was every bit as beneficial to the Ravens as it was to Joe.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Right. But that's only including the extension. Over the life of the 6 year contract its 20.8. (3 years remaining + 3 years extension) It becomes one new 6 year deal right?

Basically, yes. They really just changed the structure of his remaining 3 year deal and then added three more years on the end with high base salaries.

[Bruce_Almty]

No matter how you parse it .... dats a loooooota money.

[merryjman]

1 hour ago, surfdude said:

Look I'm all about people getting "theirs" BUT Flacco and his agent got a little greedy IMO. Flacco can't stare into the camera and say he wants to win and them sign a contract that really doesn't do anything for the team. A lot of speculation was saving 7 - 12 million this year 6 isn't all that much relief. I understand that good QB's are very important and rare and most will end up getting paid 20 million plus, but why all the highest paid bonus and highest paid? Plus I lost a little respect for Flacco showing his signing bonus check to Cap and Juice and laughing about it. Thought he was more low key and humble then to do something like that guess I was wrong. One should never brag or show off to those less fortunate.

First, calling an agent greedy is like calling the an air raid siren loud. That's his job: to get his client paid. Second, Flacco gets $3M more than the franchise tag number, so by no stretch is that exorbitant. QBs cost a lot now, that's all. Third, people are allowed to joke and mess around with their friends, and that doesn't make them braggarts. Especially if those friends are also soon to be millionaires themselves.

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[ellicottraven]

I think this contract pre-empts what is coming this year in terms of Andrew Luck's contract. If that contract was out, greedy Linta would want more than that for Joe and Joe wouldn't have disagreed. Although Joe isn't the best QB in the league or even a top 5 one, he is a proven winner with a good team around him. So all is good that ends well.

[bioLarzen]

37 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Plus I lost a little respect for Flacco showing his signing bonus check to Cap and Juice and laughing about it. 

I suspect that was only a joke - I don't think Flacco was given an actual, physical check... that would be a little anachronystic IMHO.

 

Also, suppsoing that Flacco would be bragging - something so totally out of character for him - would IMHO be a stretch.

Edited March 3, 2016 by bioLarzen

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Article correction: "This is quentestial Joe Flacco." should be "quintessential". I'm also pretty sure fantasy football has ruined the ability for people to think objectively about where players really stack up. Seems if a player doesn't rack up the fantasy points, then they must not be a good player. What a load of garbage. I can think of at least 10-12 teams that would have been jumping for a chance to sign Flacco if the opportunity was there. I'm glad there are so many haters out there, it helps ensure Flacco has no reason to go elsewhere. Go criticize the players that are over hyped and in some cases over-paid as all stars and don't win on a regular basis. Reality is Flacco has done more than many players at the position with far less than others who enjoyed success.

[bioLarzen]

51 minutes ago, b93333 said:

We didn't free up a ton of cap space for this year... I hope the FO knows what they are doing.

No, they are totally clueless...

 

People... when did genuine trust in someone who's proven himself so many times, went this much out of fashion?

Edited March 3, 2016 by bioLarzen

[surfdude]

1 hour ago, merryjman said:

1 hour ago, surfdude said:

Look I'm all about people getting "theirs" BUT Flacco and his agent got a little greedy IMO. Flacco can't stare into the camera and say he wants to win and them sign a contract that really doesn't do anything for the team. A lot of speculation was saving 7 - 12 million this year 6 isn't all that much relief. I understand that good QB's are very important and rare and most will end up getting paid 20 million plus, but why all the highest paid bonus and highest paid? Plus I lost a little respect for Flacco showing his signing bonus check to Cap and Juice and laughing about it. Thought he was more low key and humble then to do something like that guess I was wrong. One should never brag or show off to those less fortunate.

First, calling an agent greedy is like calling the an air raid siren loud. That's his job: to get his client paid. Second, Flacco gets $3M more than the franchise tag number, so by no stretch is that exorbitant. QBs cost a lot now, that's all. Third, people are allowed to joke and mess around with their friends, and that doesn't make them braggarts. Especially if those friends are also soon to be millionaires themselves.

Your missing my whole point. Flacco has the final say on any contract NOT his greedy agent. Remember Flacco 1st time wanted respect and to be the highest paid player. Secondly, Flacco didn;t give up anything for the good of the team. He got himself a better deal and nothing that will truly help the team in the long run. Now Brady does do a lot for the Pats cap. As far as Flacco bragging again you missed my point which Flacco always gave the impression of not being a bragger. Cap and Juice will NEVER see that kind of money. Fullbacks are a thing of the past and Cap can't stay healthy to EVER see that kind of a pay day. 

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[bioLarzen]

Wonder how those who call Linta "greedy" would classify Drew Rosenhouse...

[surfdude]

  45 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Plus I lost a little respect for Flacco showing his signing bonus check to Cap and Juice and laughing about it. 

I suspect that was only a joke - I don't think Flacco was given an actual, physical check... that would be a little anachronystic IMHO.

 

Also, suppsoing that Flacco would be bragging - something so totally out of character for him - would IMHO be a stretch.

I just go with what's reported. Real funny joke. It's almost as funny of a joke as Tannehill telling the practice squad players their poor.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  1 hour ago, TheRavengers said:

Flacco gets to stay/retire with the Ravens, KO might stay too, and I'm okay with all of that.

The +6M for this off-season the new Flacco-deal cleared up probably won't make us much more competitive in KO's market - there are G-needy teams that can still easily overbid us.

If KO is primarily after the money, I still don't think we'll see him back in purple.

He was offered a respectable (top 5-10) LT offer, which is more than highest paid G money. K.O. has not said he is after the money. This likely means that unless another team is willing to sign K.O. to play at LT and pay him as such, he will most likely have received his best offer from the Ravens. Also, some teams may be waiting for the ravens to resign K.O. then go after Monroe if he is indeed cut. The guy can play if healthy, and he'll probably accept a lesser offer due to the recent injuries he's had. I don't expect the Ravens to blow through the extra cap, maybe work out a long term deal with Tucker now, but they will not blow through that cap, IMHO. There are just not really any solid FA's worth pursuing at this point. Look for additions as cuts begin to be made when rosters are being set. Ravens have managed to get balanced with their cap space again, after carrying a fair amount of dead-money. It would be foolish to erase that positive situation so quickly.

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Wonder how those who call Linta "greedy" would classify Drew Rosenhouse...

Which when someone says that about a agent, its a pretty stupid comment considering the soul purpose of an agent is to get the best deal possible for your client.  And the more money the client gets, the more the agent gets

[fusuymada]

At least we learned our lesson about backloaded contracts. Seriously, at least the hit is evened out as opposed to where he was a 7 mil cap hit in year one and a 200 trillion dollar hit by the 4th year. Seems somebody learned something. I guess after not having a real QB forever, they forgot how to negotiate a contract that big. We can all debate whether Joe is bleeding the team dry and I think there is an argument for that, but you can't expect to make that amount of money and still think the team has the resources to put the talent around you. Maybe a couple years without a good LT and several knee surgeries will change his mind. You can blame Monroe for not playing or you can blame the players soaking the team for not having the cap room to get the talent on board to protect him.

[rmcjacket23]

55 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Your missing my whole point. Flacco has the final say on any contract NOT his greedy agent. Remember Flacco 1st time wanted respect and to be the highest paid player. Secondly, Flacco didn;t give up anything for the good of the team. He got himself a better deal and nothing that will truly help the team in the long run. Now Brady does do a lot for the Pats cap. As far as Flacco bragging again you missed my point which Flacco always gave the impression of not being a bragger. Cap and Juice will NEVER see that kind of money. Fullbacks are a thing of the past and Cap can't stay healthy to EVER see that kind of a pay day.

I always chuckle at the Brady comparisons as if there's really any similarity whatsoever between their situations.

I also always chuckle when fans think players should "take less" just so fans can feel better about themselves.

[surfdude]

33 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

55 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Your missing my whole point. Flacco has the final say on any contract NOT his greedy agent. Remember Flacco 1st time wanted respect and to be the highest paid player. Secondly, Flacco didn;t give up anything for the good of the team. He got himself a better deal and nothing that will truly help the team in the long run. Now Brady does do a lot for the Pats cap. As far as Flacco bragging again you missed my point which Flacco always gave the impression of not being a bragger. Cap and Juice will NEVER see that kind of money. Fullbacks are a thing of the past and Cap can't stay healthy to EVER see that kind of a pay day. 

I always chuckle at the Brady comparisons as if there's really any similarity whatsoever between their situations.

I also always chuckle when fans think players should "take less" just so fans can feel better about themselves.

Then a players should not say "I want to win" then take a max deal. Can't have it both ways. Either take your money or take a cut its that simple. Players like to have it both ways.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, surfdude said:

Then a players should not say "I want to win" then take a max deal. Can't have it both ways. Either take your money or take a cut its that simple. Players like to have it both ways.

Well, because they can have it both ways. You can get paid very well AND win games. It happens to multiple teams and multiple players every single year.

At the end of the day, every player should strive to get as much as possible, considering that we know for sure that taking less doesn't in any way mean you will win more games. I'd argue it doesn't even increase your chances of winning more games.

I mean we've had a QB playing with well-below market value cap hits for the last three years... how'd that work out for us? I thought having lower cap hits from your QB just guarantee's you Lombardi's?

[surfdude]

Of course agents are greedy that is a NO BRAINIER, but so are players. So my point is I get tired of players saying that want to win but then sign a big contract knowing it will restrict the team from signing other players or great players like KO. For once I would like to see a player say this deal is fair and I'll make the rest in endorsements or other investments. I'm all for free market, just not double talk.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Of course agents are greedy that is a NO BRAINIER, but so are players. So my point is I get tired of players saying that want to win but then sign a big contract knowing it will restrict the team from signing other players or great players like KO. For once I would like to see a player say this deal is fair and I'll make the rest in endorsements or other investments. I'm all for free market, just not double talk.

And if I were Joe or his agent, I'd simply say "go ask somebody else to take the paycut". Go tell Webb, Suggs, Pitta, Monroe, etc. to take a paycut and then we can keep KO around.

Why are you asking Joe to do it? Why is it his responsibility, particularly when he's clearly the most valuable? Why do I have to take the paycut so you can spend my money on another bad contract (see Monroe, Pitta, Webb, etc.)?