Mike Tyson vs Bruce Lee

[PurpleCity5]

I've been having this debate with people, between who would win in a street fight, Mike Tyson or Bruce Lee. You had to bet your life earnings on either of these two. Between the two, Tyson and Lee, who would you pick?

 

 

 

Me personally, I'm going with Tyson. Dude is just no-joke and In my opinion the greatest boxer ever. As a fan of Bruce Lee, it pains me to pick Tyson but I think its the reality of what would happen, I still believe it would be a close fight though.

Edited March 2, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[K-Dog]

I am assuming you mean "In their prime".

Tyson.  Bruce was a bad ummm, thing, no doubt about it.  Tyson was a brick wall with a bad attitude.  
I say Tyson and it won't even take long.

 

Good question though.  I might post this on my FB page.

Edited March 3, 2016 by K-Dog

[PurpleCity5]

17 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I am assuming you mean "In their prime".

Tyson.  Bruce was a bad ummm, thing, no doubt about it.  Tyson was a brick wall with a bad attitude.  
I say Tyson and it won't even take long.

 

Good question though.  I might post this on my FB page.

Yes, with both in their primes and I you do make a point with Tyson being a brick wall.

[K-Dog]

Also according to Wikki, Tyson out weighs Lee by 100 lbs.

[ALPHA]

I want to say Tyson but I think Bruce has space to move and is too elusive, he could hit and run.

[Steve0x]

Bruce Lee was just an actor. You should be asking this..Who would win in a street fight? Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather?

 

Edited March 3, 2016 by Moderator 3
Profanity removed

[K-Dog]

Bruce Lee  was NOT *just* an actor .

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

8 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Bruce Lee was just an actor. You should be asking this..Who would win in a street fight? Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather?  

 

Wrong. Tyson was only a punching machine but he would beat the absolute crap out of Floyd and it's not even fair. Standard boxing regulations included. Floyd may be more technically skilled but it would only take Tyson a few punches to mess the guy up. In his heyday he had a significant amount amount of weight on him. It might only take one punch. Same goes for Lee. As a martial artist Lee was more technically skilled than both of them. His hybrid style he created called Jeet Kune Do is supremely effective. But Lee fighting Tyson in real life is like him fighting a bull. He might get KO'd once Tyson closes the distance.If you put Tyson against say Van Damme(who's closer in size and actually was a professional kickboxer), different story since he weighs more and also a high degree of skill in Muay Thai, Shokotan Karate, and Tae Kwon Do. Meaning Van Damme is equally proficient with his feet and his hands.  

Against Floyd?(in a street fight. Floyd's boxing style plays directly to the rules and Lee was not a boxer, though he did also train in boxing) Lee would win. Lee has more in his arsenal to use and was a skilled street fighter during his career as an actor and did a crap ton of sparring. He was a little more than just an actor. Lee was a skilled grappler as well taught by Judo world champion Gene Labell(who's one of Ronda Rousey's mentors btw) how to grapple. And Judo is a very good grappling art.  Floyd would straight up have no answer for Lee's proficiency in kicking and grappling in addition to rapid punches, and someone of Lee's agility. 

 

Now if you put Tyson vs say Anderson Silva? Anderson is going to mess Tyson up. Whether he chokes him out, or straight up beats the crap out of him. And well Silva vs. Floyd? That's just not fair. He's significantly bigger and heavier, with more skills in other arts. One muay thai clinch and he's going to be giving knee shots to the ribs for both of em. And even if Tyson bites of a part of Silva's ear, Silva will have him in a rear naked choke faster than he can think. 

 

So. Tyson would beat Lee despite Lee being more skilled. 

Tyson would obliterate Mayweather

Lee would beat Mayweather because their around the same weight class and Lee was far more versatile. 

Silva murders all three. Probably in seconds because of his skill in grappling and takedowns. People will use the same principles to justify Silva losing to Tyson, but Silva is a world class grappler whereas Bruce Lee was only proficient. The Gracie family could take down significantly larger opponents using BJJ.

[usmccharles]

Guess I will be the first to say Bruce Lee. 

I get that Tyson's brute strength is the key to his win, one hit would most likely end Lee's life considering he was roughly 135lbs.   But with Lee's supreme intellectual thinking, his development of his own Martial Arts that doesn't cater to one style, an early MMA if you will, I think he would out smart Tyson and just be too insanely fast.  We are talking about a guy where they had to slow film down to see him kick and punch.

I know everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face, one of the best sayings ever (Tyson).  It just depends what kind of rules in the fight imo, If they are in a ring and Tyson cant just bull rush him and tackle (if he can catch him), I think Lee pulls it off.  He was a man before his time and was taken way too soon, what he could of accomplished would have been a site to see. 

Anyone ever seen that show, I think it was on SpikeTv, where they would put up warriors against warriors from different time periods? IE like a gladiator vs Ninja, Samurai vs Viking, that show was incredible (can find on youtube).  They also did the same thing with some historical figures. 

[Tru11]

For Tyson to win he would actually have to land a hit lol.

Id say all Lee would have to do is avoid getting hit for a certain period in time and he would have Tyson head.

Tyson was all explosion and pretty raw but extremely dumb power.
Id actually see him swinging and missing at first and then really just getting frustrated and losing his head which would result him in having no stamina left which would make him ripe to be slaughterd by getting hit over and over and over without him being able to do a thing.

when 2 fighters are at the peak of their class in terms of skill , the difference usually will come to intellect and how they decide to use their skill.

Lee in that case is considered a genius while Tyson is the kid that had to ride the short bus.

 

 

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

For Tyson to win he would actually have to land a hit lol.

Id say all Lee would have to do is avoid getting hit for a certain period in time and he would have Tyson head.

Tyson was all explosion and pretty raw but extremely dumb power.
Id actually see him swinging and missing at first and then really just getting frustrated and losing his head which would result him in having no stamina left which would make him ripe to be slaughterd by getting hit over and over and over without him being able to do a thing.

when 2 fighters are at the peak of their class in terms of skill , the difference usually will come to intellect and how they decide to use their skill.

Lee in that case is considered a genius while Tyson is the kid that had to ride the short bus.

 

 

Couldn't have said it any better

[ludy51]

Depends on how long Lee could last. If he could avoid Tyson for a bit of time, he should be able to win

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I think it woild come down to the difference in speed. If Lee takes advantage he could wear Tyson down.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 hours ago, Tru11 said:

For Tyson to win he would actually have to land a hit lol.

Id say all Lee would have to do is avoid getting hit for a certain period in time and he would have Tyson head.

Tyson was all explosion and pretty raw but extremely dumb power.
Id actually see him swinging and missing at first and then really just getting frustrated and losing his head which would result him in having no stamina left which would make him ripe to be slaughterd by getting hit over and over and over without him being able to do a thing.

when 2 fighters are at the peak of their class in terms of skill , the difference usually will come to intellect and how they decide to use their skill.

Lee in that case is considered a genius while Tyson is the kid that had to ride the short bus.

 

 

You're grossly underestimating Tyson. I HATE HIM. I think he's the most overrated boxer of all time. But he is too damn powerful to lose here. Lee might be able to dance around for awhile but when the opportunity comes for him to close the distance, Tyson will see it and the fight will be over, maybe with one punch.  Tyson was a skilled street fighter as a youth before he became a boxer. Even if he has a "nonexistent chin" he in his prime in all likelihood be able to take a lot of punches from a man smaller than him since most boxers (including Tyson in his prime. Not Tyson that bit of the ear of Evander and lost in one round) have exceptional stamina and durability. 

And Lee isn't that much faster than him. He'd be able to land a few solid hits but once Tyson closes the distance it's over. Nothing Lee can do to defend it

[ALPHA]

Bruce Lee would win a street fight because he's too quick and could stay outside his range indefinitely, Tyson would win in the ring.

Edited March 4, 2016 by ALPHA

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I think most of you grossly underestimate boxing as a martial art. When I was a Tae Kwon Do only fighter I went against a boxer and got killed despite me having significantly more range and being quicker. It's why I took up boxing. Boxing is maybe the 3rd most effective martial art out there behind Muay Thai and BJJ. It teaches proper footwork, the proper way to punch someone, how to evade attacks, how to take hits, and hard hits. 

 

I'll let you in on a little secret. As a person who's base martial art was the bar none best kicking one out there. In a street fight, you rarely kick. Something Tyson overly specializes in is punching. Most of the fights go to the ground. 

Lee was a good fighter. Hell, he was better than good he was great. Good street fighter, excelled in several forms of martial arts. Decent boxer. He was great, but honestly half of the MMA guys would tear him apart. Mohammed Ali would mop the floor with him cause there is nothing or earth that could hurt that guy in his prime. Tyson was a punching machine. He had some of the best offense EVER for a boxer. He'd honestly dominate most of the MMA(it would take a Bas Rutten or a Silva type to beat him). Bruce Lee wouldn't. 

 

Lightweight that's a master vs a heavyweight that's a master of their martial art(which boxing is). The heavyweight wins. Tyson had a significant advantage. 

[K-Dog]

Chuck Norris. 
End of thread.

[Tru11]

8 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I think most of you grossly underestimate boxing as a martial art. When I was a Tae Kwon Do only fighter I went against a boxer and got killed despite me having significantly more range and being quicker. It's why I took up boxing. Boxing is maybe the 3rd most effective martial art out there behind Muay Thai and BJJ. It teaches proper footwork, the proper way to punch someone, how to evade attacks, how to take hits, and hard hits. 

 

I'll let you in on a little secret. As a person who's base martial art was the bar none best kicking one out there. In a street fight, you rarely kick. Something Tyson overly specializes in is punching. Most of the fights go to the ground. 

Lee was a good fighter. Hell, he was better than good he was great. Good street fighter, excelled in several forms of martial arts. Decent boxer. He was great, but honestly half of the MMA guys would tear him apart. Mohammed Ali would mop the floor with him cause there is nothing or earth that could hurt that guy in his prime. Tyson was a punching machine. He had some of the best offense EVER for a boxer. He'd honestly dominate most of the MMA(it would take a Bas Rutten or a Silva type to beat him). Bruce Lee wouldn't. 

 

Lightweight that's a master vs a heavyweight that's a master of their martial art(which boxing is). The heavyweight wins. Tyson had a significant advantage. 

In a ring you are right

In a fight on the streets im not so sure.

Lee could be jumping over cars and have tyson punch car windows trying to land a hit for all we know lol.

Heck what would stop lee from using any of the weapons he masterd in the fight.

Street fights are not fair fights bound by rules and a confined space tbh and while tyson has his strength and fist i believe Lee could bring a lot more to the fight.

I imagine Lee whipping out them Nunchakus and do his thing

Heck K-dog might be right cause all Chuck has to do is whip out that revolver and gun them down hahahah

[usmccharles]

15 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Chuck Norris. 
End of thread.

Well Lee taught chuck,  so Lee wins! 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

21 hours ago, Tru11 said:

In a ring you are right

In a fight on the streets im not so sure.

Lee could be jumping over cars and have tyson punch car windows trying to land a hit for all we know lol.

Heck what would stop lee from using any of the weapons he masterd in the fight.

Street fights are not fair fights bound by rules and a confined space tbh and while tyson has his strength and fist i believe Lee could bring a lot more to the fight.

I imagine Lee whipping out them Nunchakus and do his thing

Heck K-dog might be right cause all Chuck has to do is whip out that revolver and gun them down hahahah

As a martial artist the notion constantly pisses me off.. "Street fights have no rules, so some of these professional fighters would lose outside of the ring". Mike Tyson could have very well have killed someone outside the ring and was an extremely skilled street fighter before he was a boxer. There's a video of Bas Rutten(a guy that would eat both Tyson and Lee for Dinner) talking with Joe Rogan(who's a very good martial artist himself, holding three black belts in BJJ without the Gi under Eddie Bravo, one black belt under Riegan Machado, and a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, and was the state champion in his youth) talking about why the no rules thing would actually work to the advantage of the trained competitive fighter. I know what it's called and I'd post the link, but Bas and Joe swear like sailors lol.  

And by the way. Ali would beat up Bruce Lee too. Ali could literally be beaten for hours and not break a sweat. I doubt that you could say the same thing about Bruce. Whenever a boxer faces a more traditional martial artist(which to be totally honest. Bruce Lee's bases were more traditional despite the fact that he was a skilled boxer himself), the skilled boxer usually comes out victorious in any fighting situation. And putting a heavyweight against a lightweight in any situation is beyond unfair. Especially when both are pretty close in terms of skill. 

Acrobatics aren't going to work. At all. Tyson in his heyday(not end of prime Tyson where he started losing) had significantly better stamina and endurance than Lee. It's what boxers and kickboxer strain for which is why they're SIGNIFICANTLY more effective in a real fight than some of the traditional martial arts(Tae Kwon Do, which in my eyes is the best base martial art there is. Teaches you discipline, flexibility, kicking, Karate, Japanese Jiu-Jitsu), they train specifically to take a beating, and can honestly run circles around most people because their endurance is honestly off the charts. I'm not doubting Bruce Lee, but thinking about this, I'm questioning whether he'd be able to keep up with Mike.. The workout regiment for boxing is insane. When he started losing at the end of his prime, it was because he stopped training and started partying. He could have honestly still been dominant. He was the Shaq of the boxing world in that regard. He could have, and SHOULD HAVE been the greatest ever just like Shaq.  

 

And btw. You're endurance doesn't magically increase or decrease on the street. 

And nunchakus? Really? I know how to use them. And they're beyond impractical, they're for show. Either of them could bring a baseball bat and do significantly more damage than nunchakus. That's reaching in an argument if I've ever heard it.

 

Most street fights aren't lengthy. That's just a fact. They both usually try to confront each other, get in close. Lee was a cocky one. He took on Judo Gene Lebell(who's a Gorilla of a man), and got his butt handed to him. By a trained professional fighter who was significantly bigger in a very effective martial art. There are exceptions to the rule(if Manny had to fight Floyd on the streets he'd have Floyd for dinner. But that's because Floyd uses the rules to his advantage. Tyson bit someone's ear. He didn't exactly comply), but if you can beat someone with the rules, then it's going to be even more unfair without the. Especially with Tyson being notoriously DIRTY. Lee legit might come out of the fight in this scenario without an ear and a disfigured face. The fact that there are no rules gives a SIGNIFICANT advantage to Tyson. The only way Lee could win this, is he had ran away. 

 

And this is a street fight. If Lee brings a gun(which would be completely out of character for him btw. Ironically Lee was all about the rules). He wins, no contest. If Tyson brings a gun, he wins. But bare knuckle to bare knuckle, no weapons. Lee honestly is screwed. Without the rules, Tyson could go in for the clinch very worst case scenario and land body shots on Lee, which might end up killing him. Tyson's fists were fast and he might be able to land a straight uppercut on Lee as soon as the fight began knocking him out instantly. Lee might be able to dance around for awhile, but Tyson isn't exactly lacking in the agility department either. Prime to Prime, both are master hand to hand combatants. Lee has more in his Arsenal, but Tyson is significantly better in the more effective aspect(his fists), along with being physically superior. Lee may be more skilled, but not by much in all honesty. 

 

I love Bruce Lee for what it's worth. I resent Mike Tyson in every way possible. He was dirty, and dishonorable. I hate the fact that I'd think he'd win.  He was a personal idol and inspired me to do martial arts. And I think he's one of the most important pop culture figures ever. He brought martial arts to the eye of the public worldwide. He was a respected street fighter, and a decent boxer, and was a pioneer mixed martial artist. I'm a significantly bigger fan of Lee than Tyson.

But it's time to face facts. Tyson was a professional fighter, hell, he was a champion. A master martial artist in his own right, and was a prized stallion in the talent pool of boxing. If you were to take Tyson in his prime and put him in the MMA, and give him some proper training in grappling, he'd honestly be unbeatable in combat. But without the grappling he'd still straight up mop the floor with a lot of the UFC guys. It would take a Silva to beat him. And most of the high profile UFC guys would have a field day with Lee. Yet, Lee was the pioneer of mixed martial arts. He was formidable, and untouchable because of this, but he wasn't ever unbeatable. You want the Truth? Van-Damme would beat the crap out of Bruce Lee. He was a professional kickboxer before he was an actor(combine that with a knowledge of Shokotan Karate and Tae Kwon Do, and superior physicals including speed, and yeah. Lee's not walking out of that one victorious). In spite of the jokes Chuck Norris would to. He was the karate world champion for years,and was also an expert in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. And even though Norris said Lee would win in a fight, Norris was honestly a better fighter based off of his record. Street fight or not. 

 

And to clear up any misconceptions.... You know why I love the Nolan Batman trilogy.. Besides the brilliant acting all around, the fight scenes are the most realistic you'll ever see in a movie. Contrary to belief, the flashy stuff isn't the best. The best way to do it sometimes is the simple way. Batman in those movies could take down hordes of people at a time, with a real life fighting method called Keysi. People often criticize the Dark Knight Trilogy(especially after Winter Soldier came out) for having poorly choreographed fight scenes. Yes.. They're realistic. Which is boring lol.It's why Batfleck is being portrayed as a master of all martial arts rather than just one specific style. It's more entertaining.

 

The most effective martial arts aren't the ones employed by Jackie Chan, or Bruce Lee, or Chuck Norris. They're the ones that train you for endurance, conditioning, stamina. I'm not knocking them at all. I think that classical Kung fu(like Jet Li practices), is beautiful. He could easily beat the crap out of any regular Joe on the streets. But they've been proven ineffective in true combat. You don't see a Wushu(the variation of Kung Fu Jet Li is proficient in) in the UFC because boxing is more effective in punching. Most people are trained in Tae Kwon Do(some are in Karate, but mainly the first one) because that was their base. The first thing they learned, and is a damn good complimentary art. But you don't see them going in Aikido(Steven Segal). Some of the super flashy stuff is ineffective against some of the more simple stuff. Those amazing kicks that Bruce Lee can do, despite him making it look SOOOOO easy, are insanely difficult for anyone to pull off, and can take a lot of time. A boxing combination is fast, simple, and to the point. More practical. The flashy kicks are proven not to work in street fights. The stuff that works are the stuff Tyson can probably already do without any training. A TKD roundhouse kick, a typical front kick. It takes you two seconds to learn both. 

 

TLDR: Street fight gives a dirty fighter like Tyson a significant advantage. Bare knuckle to bare knuckle, I don't see how Lee can win. He's got my respect, but as a martial artist, he's overrated. Putting him against professionals who literally spent(or have spent) literally every waking moment of their lives training, is beyond unfair. Some of the most effective techniques in a street fight are the most simple. 

 

PS. Enter the Dragon is one of my favorite movies. And I hate Mike Tyson and hate Floyd Mayweather.

[beanfigger]

A street fight, meaning no rules? Meaning they can pick stuff up and use them? Lee would destroy him with something in his hand. Non-street fight in the ring with nothing? Lee would have to avoid Tyson's punch, which I think he would do fairly well, but Tyson would win if/when he started landing.

 

PS "Lee was just an actor"?!?!?! Gimme a break.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, beanfigger said:

A street fight, meaning no rules? Meaning they can pick stuff up and use them? Lee would destroy him with something in his hand. Non-street fight in the ring with nothing? Lee would have to avoid Tyson's punch, which I think he would do fairly well, but Tyson would win if/when he started landing.

 

PS "Lee was just an actor"?!?!?! Gimme a break.

If you're talking about me see where I say Lee had a massive pop culture impact and was more than just an actor. He was a martial artist first. It doesn't mean he was a god though. 

 

And yes. Give either of them a weapon and the fight becomes unfair. Bare-knuckle to bare-knuckle, street fight or not, Tyson is going to win. He fights dirty with the rules in place. Even in a confined space Tyson(prime Tyson) has better endurance than Lee does and most likely significantly better stamina. 

 

Give Lee say a sword? The fight becomes a slaughterhouse. Just like if you give Tyson brass knuckles or a gun while Lee was bear-handed. 

[usmccharles]

This is such a great topic.   Ironically,  on first take they asked about Floyd Vs McGregors

Edited March 6, 2016 by usmccharles

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On 3/5/2016 at 6:34 PM, usmccharles said:

This is such a great topic.   Ironically,  on first take they asked about Floyd Vs McGregors

Bringing this back since they're talking about it more.

 

floyd in a boxing match. Fairly easily.. Floyd uses the rules of boxing to protect him, and his superior defense. McGregor doesn't land a punch. Floyd doesn't KO him, but wins by decision.

 

McGregor effortlessly mops the floor with him in the MMA. Floyd doesn't have the rules of boxing to protect him and McGregors ability to kick and take Floyd to the ground(has a brown belt in BJJ even if he's mostly known as a striker) makes this unfair.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Bringing this back since they're talking about it more.

floyd in a boxing match. Fairly easily.. Floyd uses the rules of boxing to protect him, and his superior defense. McGregor doesn't land a punch. Floyd doesn't KO him, but wins by decision.

McGregor effortlessly mops the floor with him in the MMA. Floyd doesn't have the rules of boxing to protect him and McGregors ability to kick and take Floyd to the ground(has a brown belt in BJJ even if he's mostly known as a striker) makes this unfair.

basically agree with all of this.  I haven't heard anything about it recently.  Last I heard Dana White offered McGregor 20/25, cant remember, as an official offer.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

21 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

basically agree with all of this.  I haven't heard anything about it recently.  Last I heard Dana White offered McGregor 20/25, cant remember, as an official offer.

I watch Joe Rogan podcast and he talks about it a lot. I don't think it would happen but I'd pay for it.

 

Im not a fan of their but I think that Floyd is a scumbag and isn't a real fighter tbh. He's a good boxer and knows how to use the rules to his advantage but in a real fight would get murdered by Pacquio, The Diaz Brothers, etc. He's good a great defense and can shut down someone's offense but against a guy like McGregor who can do more than box and who doesn't have rules to protect him, he gets crushed.

[usmccharles]

30 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I watch Joe Rogan podcast and he talks about it a lot. I don't think it would happen but I'd pay for it.

Im not a fan of their but I think that Floyd is a scumbag and isn't a real fighter tbh. He's a good boxer and knows how to use the rules to his advantage but in a real fight would get murdered by Pacquio, The Diaz Brothers, etc. He's good a great defense and can shut down someone's offense but against a guy like McGregor who can do more than box and who doesn't have rules to protect him, he gets crushed.

I love Rogan's podcast. 

Floyd may be a scumbag, but I cant say hes not a real fighter, he does his job and is great at it.  It would be like saying Teebow isn't a good QB, but hes a good football player.  Maybe a bad analogy

[JoeyFlex5]

bruce lee once threw a grenade, killed 50 people... and then the grenade exploded. 

 

[Steve0x]

Roman Regins would kick Bruce Lees butt! 

[usmccharles]

On ‎1‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 1:10 AM, Steve0x said:

Roman Regins would kick Bruce Lees butt! 

Please tell me your joking