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Calm before the storm. Tucker may surpass Crosby deal. Ranking how active Ravens will be in free agency.

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[PolishRifle]

Greatest political scandal America has seen since Watergate.

Edited March 2, 2016 by PolishRifle

[budman]

I don't know that he is, but if Tucker is wanting to be the highest paid kicker he shouldn't get it. Whatever changes he has made sure hasn't been for the better. To be the highest paid he needs to be able to make good from 50+ yards which he did not do last year even in his home stadium. A lot of people love him in the community and his social media, but facts are facts. Yes he did well before last year but consistency in a kicker is a must and 82 % in the NFL is not that good. Just saying.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, budman said:

I don't know that he is, but if Tucker is wanting to be the highest paid kicker he shouldn't get it. Whatever changes he has made sure hasn't been for the better. To be the highest paid he needs to be able to make good from 50+ yards which he did not do last year even in his home stadium. A lot of people love him in the community and his social media, but facts are facts. Yes he did well before last year but consistency in a kicker is a must and 82 % in the NFL is not that good. Just saying.

You have to take in account inflation of salaries.  The kickers out there that we have been comparing his salary to have been on their deal for some time.  Tucker is a top kicker in the league, id say easy top 5, yea he missed some 50 yarders but he also took more than any other kicker.  After Joe had his awesome run in the playoffs and we won our superbowl, he got the big QB contract, was he the "best" QB in the league, no.  But market value called for the contract he got, now others have surpassed him because they have singed newer deals, same will happen for Tucker.  He's worth the money, hands down.

[TorryGundy]

Players who want to be the highest paid after a season in which we struggled kind of irk me. I know they have to worry about themselves and it is a business, but I don't like being selfish and in the business of loosing. KO, can go and be Ben Grubbs 2.0. And Tucker really surprised me, especially with all the misses at home. I hope he works out a deal long term and follow the lead of Stover who can tell you a thing or two about how if you are loyal to the Ravens, they will be loyal to you. I am sure his wolfpack member Sam can say the same.

[nebraskafan03]

will hill a cap cut WHAT

[bioLarzen]

TBH, I don't see Aiken receiving a 2-nd round tender. As Ozzie made it quite clear in the year-end presser, they really view him as a backup WR, not a starting one - and I just donb't see Ozzie second-round tendering a backup player, even if he had ample cap space - which he hasn't.
That said, I still expect Aiken back in purple.

[bioLarzen]

will hill a cap cut WHAT

Some like to entertain the idea.
It's not complete idiocy, but I don't see it happening.

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, budman said:

I don't know that he is, but if Tucker is wanting to be the highest paid kicker he shouldn't get it. Whatever changes he has made sure hasn't been for the better. To be the highest paid he needs to be able to make good from 50+ yards which he did not do last year even in his home stadium. A lot of people love him in the community and his social media, but facts are facts. Yes he did well before last year but consistency in a kicker is a must and 82 % in the NFL is not that good. Just saying.

Gostkowski, who is clearly the best kicker in the league, signed for four years, $17.2M in July ($4.3M a year). Conventional wisdom would say Tucker should come in under that, but the salary cap did rise also, so the cost of players goes up. We pretty much know that being the best at your position doesn't necessarily correlate with being the highest paid (in fact I'd argue the highest paid players at most positions isn't the best player at that position).

Since Crosby just signed for four years, $16.1M (basically right at $4.0M a year), you'd think Tucker will slot somewhere right in between, maybe a bit closer to Gostkowski than Crosby.

In the grand scheme of things, its roughly "semantics" for me. Tucker's ceiling is probably at $4.5M, and his floor is roughly $4M, so we are really haggling over $500K a year at most, and basically $2M over the contract span. To me, that's just not that relevant in terms of being a concerned fan.

As is typical, I'm sure the guaranteed money is the biggest hangup, or maybe he's haggling for a fifth year. Gostkowski got $10.1M guaranteed, so Tucker's probably arguing for that range or maybe a bit more.

I agree the 50+ yard statistics were down, but he also led the league in attempts of that long with 10, and in an ideal world, a kicker would probably only be attempting 4-5 kicks a year from 50+. Inside of 50, including PATs, he was 58/59 last season. Basically as good as it gets.

[bioLarzen]

Greatest political scandal America has seen since Watergate.

Especilly that the guy wrote "an elite quarterback" instead of "a elite quarterback" :D

[respecttheRaven]

7 minutes ago, nebraskafan03 said:

will hill a cap cut WHAT

I do not see this happening......Ozzie has already reached a contract agreement with Hill. it wouldn't make sense....but what do I know??! http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/2016-Complete-List-Of-Ravens-27-Free-Agents/25cd32ce-85f4-42ab-90dc-db331d5856d6

Edited March 2, 2016 by respecttheRaven

[BmoreB]

Greatest political scandal America has seen since Watergate.

I agree :)

[budman]

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Gostkowski, who is clearly the best kicker in the league, signed for four years, $17.2M in July ($4.3M a year). Conventional wisdom would say Tucker should come in under that, but the salary cap did rise also, so the cost of players goes up. We pretty much know that being the best at your position doesn't necessarily correlate with being the highest paid (in fact I'd argue the highest paid players at most positions isn't the best player at that position).

Since Crosby just signed for four years, $16.1M (basically right at $4.0M a year), you'd think Tucker will slot somewhere right in between, maybe a bit closer to Gostkowski than Crosby.

In the grand scheme of things, its roughly "semantics" for me. Tucker's ceiling is probably at $4.5M, and his floor is roughly $4M, so we are really haggling over $500K a year at most, and basically $2M over the contract span. To me, that's just not that relevant in terms of being a concerned fan.

As is typical, I'm sure the guaranteed money is the biggest hangup, or maybe he's haggling for a fifth year. Gostkowski got $10.1M guaranteed, so Tucker's probably arguing for that range or maybe a bit more.

I agree the 50+ yard statistics were down, but he also led the league in attempts of that long with 10, and in an ideal world, a kicker would probably only be attempting 4-5 kicks a year from 50+. Inside of 50, including PATs, he was 58/59 last season. Basically as good as it gets.

I see your point but It's hard to justify the label as "1 of the best" when the longest Fg he made last year was 52 yards. Just my opinion but to me, it shouldn't matter how many attempts there are. If you are the best,  most should be made.

Edited March 2, 2016 by budman

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, budman said:

I see your point but It's hard to justify the label as "1 of the best" when the longest Fg he made last year was 52 yards. Just my opinion but to me, it shouldn't matter how many attempts there are. If you are the best,  most should be made.

Well, he's not the best... that much is clear.

But he also doesn't have to be the best to get paid the best. Payscale is largely just a reflection of opportunity and timing.

[The Greek]

tucker and his agent look like they will be greedy. tucker wants to be the highest paid kicker

[btfan2]

Nancy Pelosi, not a good choice as villain since she was originally from Baltimore. Her father was actually the Mayor for a few terms. HISTORY - Thomas Desisandro most likely spelled wrong - a long time ago

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, budman said:

I see your point but It's hard to justify the label as "1 of the best" when the longest Fg he made last year was 52 yards. Just my opinion but to me, it shouldn't matter how many attempts there are. If you are the best,  most should be made.

I don't think it's hard to justify him as A top kicker in the league, especially if you look at his entire body of work.   Like jacket said,  don't really see why some fans are complaining about less than a a million dollars to keep a guy who has won us countless games.   Also,  it's not that easy to find clutch kickers.   

[fusuymada]

Our tax dollars at work on something as important as whether or not Flacco is elite. Syria, Iran, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Mid east peace, budget crunch, economy, etc... and they are spending time on Flacco's elitism. I don't understand with Webb's production and health, Will Hill is in danger of being cut and Webb isn't? He must have pictures of somebody up top in a compromising position. SMH

[drgeo]

Nancy Pelosi, not a good choice as villain since she was originally from Baltimore. Her father was actually the Mayor for a few terms. HISTORY - Thomas Desisandro most likely spelled wrong - a long time ago

Mayor Thomas D'Alesandro, Jr.

[WNC-Raven]

Tucker is not the best kicker in the league but he is definitely one of the most clutch. Just like Flacco, Tucker comes through when it really matters.

[jravens13]

Our tax dollars at work on something as important as whether or not Flacco is elite. Syria, Iran, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Mid east peace, budget crunch, economy, etc... and they are spending time on Flacco's elitism. I don't understand with Webb's production and health, Will Hill is in danger of being cut and Webb isn't? He must have pictures of somebody up top in a compromising position. SMH

Webb took a pay cut last year and I think the FO thought it would be bad taste to ask him to take even less money this year. He will be a much better safety than corner if he can bulk up and hold up. Webb has good ball skills, but couldn't keep up with quick WR's after his knee surgeries. I think Kendrick Lewis is the odd man out if they get rid of anyone. We used a lot of 3 Safety looks last year and the league is moving towards that. They don't wan't to cut Webb because the 6M in dead money and only 4M in cap savings. Lewis carry 1M in dead money, but would also save us 1M in cap space.

[jravens13]

Tucker is not the best kicker in the league but he is definitely one of the most clutch. Just like Flacco, Tucker comes through when it really matters.

Tucker is both the best and the most clutch kicker in the league. There isn't even a valid argument of who is better.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, jravens13 said:

Tucker is both the best and the most clutch kicker in the league. There isn't even a valid argument of who is better.

Well, Gostkowski is better by just about any possible metric imaginable.

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, Gostkowski is better by just about any possible metric imaginable.

Except extra points.

[mendii]

  8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, Gostkowski is better by just about any possible metric imaginable.

Except extra points.

ooooooooooooo, nice one

[merryjman]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

TBH, I don't see Aiken receiving a 2-nd round tender. As Ozzie made it quite clear in the year-end presser, they really view him as a backup WR, not a starting one - and I just donb't see Ozzie second-round tendering a backup player, even if he had ample cap space - which he hasn't.
That said, I still expect Aiken back in purple.

Agreed. Aiken was the yards leader by default, because our #2 receiver was my uncle Joey who runs the 40 in 15 seconds.

[merryjman]

Tucker may not be the best, but he's up there, and definitely worth keeping at $4-5M per year. Remember that we got to the playoffs the first time on Matt Stover's leg. And do I really need to bring up the names Steve Hauschka and Billy Cundiff to remind everyone how painful it is not to have a superstar at K?

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, merryjman said:

Tucker may not be the best, but he's up there, and definitely worth keeping at $4-5M per year. Remember that we got to the playoffs the first time on Matt Stover's leg. And do I really need to bring up the names Steve Hauschka and Billy Cundiff to remind everyone how painful it is not to have a superstar at K?

I'm surprised that name didn't get censored lol.

[ALPHA]

We had to pay Tucker because we need someone who can score points.

[ALPHA]

3 hours ago, nebraskafan03 said:

will hill a cap cut WHAT

Scapegoat if this happens, worse than when we let Ihedigbo walk.