[News] Eisenberg: 6 Ravens Questions Nobody Is Asking

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While Joe Flacco and Kelechi Osemele dominate the discussion, other important questions need to be asked.

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[BmoreB]

Question #5 is hilarious lol

[fusuymada]

I did not buy into Bosa before the combine, and one of the reasons, which is his speed, became apparent. He is not explosive, he cant press the edge and he will get eaten up by pro tackles. I think Bosa would be a waste of a draft pick and another one we will look back on in two or three years and ask what was Ozzie thinking. There is no doubt the Ravens will hurt themselves if they draft Bosa because they will have wasted a draft pick. It is tough to remember pass rushers who came in year 1 and dominated but there are corners and safeties all over the league who rocked their first year.

[Tru11]

think Bosa is more relentless with a very high motor rather then explosive.

[edthehead]

I did not buy into Bosa before the combine, and one of the reasons, which is his speed, became apparent. He is not explosive, he cant press the edge and he will get eaten up by pro tackles. I think Bosa would be a waste of a draft pick and another one we will look back on in two or three years and ask what was Ozzie thinking. There is no doubt the Ravens will hurt themselves if they draft Bosa because they will have wasted a draft pick. It is tough to remember pass rushers who came in year 1 and dominated but there are corners and safeties all over the league who rocked their first year.

so you thinking a trade back,

[RavensDieHard21]

Well put it this way, I think that Pitta either retires or comes back under a deal that hinges on his ability to play, either way I see his contract as something that needs to be taken care of for cap savings. Wright adds depth that is needed, but if we don't add another corner in the first three rounds, preferably the first two, and also don't grab a Sean Smith or Trumaine Johnson in free agency, then our secondary will sink us again. Webby at FS is a great thing. He has instincts and ball skills that will lead to interceptions or more contested passes. His body was just getting too old to match up against big and fast receivers, but with this move it will allow his to play to his strengths.

[ravensnj]

Well put it this way, I think that Pitta either retires or comes back under a deal that hinges on his ability to play, either way I see his contract as something that needs to be taken care of for cap savings. Wright adds depth that is needed, but if we don't add another corner in the first three rounds, preferably the first two, and also don't grab a Sean Smith or Trumaine Johnson in free agency, then our secondary will sink us again. Webby at FS is a great thing. He has instincts and ball skills that will lead to interceptions or more contested passes. His body was just getting too old to match up against big and fast receivers, but with this move it will allow his to play to his strengths.

I agree! With Webb and Hill at FS and SS , we will have 2 ball-hawkers back there.

[hen826957]

@fusuymada l don't believe things that happen in the combine that he will be at the pros. Didn't JJ Watt have some similarities that Joey Bosa having now? Questioning his lack of speed, won't consistently get the edge on tackles with his get off or quickness. Plays high at times, can be blown off the ball by the double team, etc etc and look at Watt now. I'm not saying he's Watt, but l not believing a bad of a slow 40 yard dash (same as Watt) or other grades he have in the combine will say he's a bust right off the back.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, fusuymada said:

I did not buy into Bosa before the combine, and one of the reasons, which is his speed, became apparent. He is not explosive, he cant press the edge and he will get eaten up by pro tackles. I think Bosa would be a waste of a draft pick and another one we will look back on in two or three years and ask what was Ozzie thinking. There is no doubt the Ravens will hurt themselves if they draft Bosa because they will have wasted a draft pick. It is tough to remember pass rushers who came in year 1 and dominated but there are corners and safeties all over the league who rocked their first year.

I would say the list of rookie pass rushers who made a significant impact is significantly longer than that of corners and safeties.

In fact, secondary is arguably the toughest position to draft in terms of year 1 impact. Many very high draft picks end up as nickel corners in year 1.

As far as a "speed rusher", I'm not concerned about Bosa in that regard, because there's many quality rushers who really lack speed all together. Dumervil was never once known as a speed rusher, and for the most part, neither was Suggs, even in his prime.

Bosa is a lot more DeMarcus Ware than he is Von Miller, which to me doesn't matter.

[Halshayeji]

38 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I would say the list of rookie pass rushers who made a significant impact is significantly longer than that of corners and safeties.

In fact, secondary is arguably the toughest position to draft in terms of year 1 impact. Many very high draft picks end up as nickel corners in year 1.

As far as a "speed rusher", I'm not concerned about Bosa in that regard, because there's many quality rushers who really lack speed all together. Dumervil was never once known as a speed rusher, and for the most part, neither was Suggs, even in his prime.

Bosa is a lot more DeMarcus Ware than he is Von Miller, which to me doesn't matter.

I was never a big fan of bosa being the #1 overall pick and was never a fan of us trading up to get him. So many people around here were praying that he falls to 4th overall where we may even get a chance to trade up. I really don't understand how he fell off the radar so fast. People are calling him a bust already. Sure his combine numbers weren't grear but this is what had to happen for us to even have a chance of getting him. Now that we have a chance everyone is afraid to touch him lol

 

im still not a huge fan of taking bosa 6th overall but the combine had nothin to do with it. It's the fact that he's a DE and fits perfectly in a 4-3 system. In a 3-4 system which the Ravens currently he's too big to play OLB and too small to play DE.

 

But make no mistake. The guy was a great college player and will be a very good pro. I think If the Ravens do take him hell start at DE and bulk up a bit. He'd be a Swiss knife of this D but would be an instant impact player to a 4-3 team.

[purpledown]

Hope Bosa is there, but its not likely. He could play a lot of places on the DL until he learns the LB position. Hargreaves or Stanley would not be bad either. Whoever it is he has to start , game 1.

[ellicottraven]

I just know whoever it is lucky enough to be picked by us is going to be really good and with being on a team like the Ravens will develop his full God given potential to the fullest. So some of these top guys better hope to fall to us!
As for Pitta, I don't believe we can depend on him playing a full season regardless. Unless, Pitta signs a new deal with no guarantees but full of incentives if he suits up for a full season. He's been out of football for at least 2 full years now, so his effectiveness will be an issue.

[throwback2000]

Pitta under no circumstances is a fit anymore. This delay of the inevitable is to drain whats left of that absurd contract he was given.

[law215]

I think Pitta and Webb fall into the category of the Ravens front office trying to squeeze value out of a bad contract. I would rather trust a mid round draft pick or Brooks at safety than Webb who lost more than a step. Pitta needs to think of life after football. Lastly, Terrell Suggs ran a 4.8 forty. He was a defensive player of the year, been to multiple pro bowls, and an all pro. Unless Ravens plan to pick in the top 10 in the near future, they must get Bosa or Spence who have top 10 talent since both Suggs and Dumervil are aging.

[harfordravenfan]

If bosa is there and we get him... Do you think he would be best filling in as upshaws replacement and let z Smith play the mcphee role or the other way around?

Just curious what everyone thinks

[Ravens8383]

There is a deep D-Line class this year. I would love to see Bosa line up for the Ravens but let's not forget that there could be a Tackle and a D Back there at number 6 and it looks like those two positions are going to be needed. Let's see what happens in free agency and hope a few QB's go in picks one to five.

[GENE2407]

If bosa is there and we get him... Do you think he would be best filling in as upshaws replacement and let z Smith play the mcphee role or the other way around?

Just curious what everyone thinks

Bosa would fit nicely into Sugg's "4-3" DE spot, don't see him as a 3-4 OLB covering anyone downfield (as Upshaw did) and sure wouldn't want to move him inside as a 3-4 DE like McPhee. It would be a nice problem to have. Just can't imagine it happening unless other people jump into the top 5 because of the combine.

[jdynamite]

14 hours ago, fusuymada said:

A) I did not buy into Bosa before the combine, and one of the reasons, which is his speed, became apparent. He is not explosive, he cant press the edge and he will get eaten up by pro tackles.

I think Bosa would be a waste of a draft pick and another one we will look back on in two or three years and ask what was Ozzie thinking. There is no doubt the Ravens will hurt themselves if they draft Bosa because they will have wasted a draft pick.

C) It is tough to remember pass rushers who came in year 1 and dominated but there are corners and safeties all over the league who rocked their first year.

 

A) When watching the combine they generally speak of explosion when they talk about the Vertical Jump and the Broad Jump because these 2 drills show the lower body power from ground up.   After that the 20 yard shuttle shows the short burst quickness needed to judge edge rushers and the 3-cone drill gives them a better ideal if the edge rushers can "bend" around corners.   

Now I haven't looked to see how Bosa faired in any of these, he may be below average, average or above average. 

C) I'm not really sure how to respond to this because of the words " dominated & rocked".  For me dominate is asking a lot of any rookie, but being productive or at very minimal collecting sacks. 

Many pass rushers have had good to stellar rookie years ( some as only situational pass rushers ) : S.Merrimen, D.Ware, T.Suggs, A.Smith, V.Miller, D.Freeney, J.Peppers, C.Matthews, J.Kearse, Okrapo I'm sure there are more but these are just a few that came into the league with 8+ sacks.  * some guys have 4-6 sacks year 1 and explode year 2 (10+ sacks ) such as JJ Watt, M.Williams, R.Quinn, J.Houston, C.Jones. 

Only a few were dominate year 1 to me like Javon Kearse, Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers where the entire league was put on notice. 

As for corners some come in get a bunch of ints like M.Peters this year, J.Jenkins, even P.Buchanon fits into this category.  But from a corner I'd like to see guys that come in like C.McAlister, C.Bailey, C.Woodson, S.Springs, T.Newman come in as starters and have consistent coverage limited errors early on.  ( I'd even add J.Joesph, D.Robinson, D.Hall, Revis and Sherman as guys that came in played extremely well as rookies ). 

Just hard to really compare. Felt good remembering some of those names lol. 

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, harfordravenfan said:

If bosa is there and we get him... Do you think he would be best filling in as upshaws replacement and let z Smith play the mcphee role or the other way around?

Just curious what everyone thinks

I'm also curious, I don't know if bosa would start day 1. But he surely will get a lot of playing time lining up at numerous positions. I think bosa would take the McPhee role lining up all over the place on passing downs. Z.smith would fall behind him on the depth chart.  

 

If bosa is there and we get him he'd probably become our Swiss knife. He could line up as a DE on obvious passing downs along with Jernigan and C.davis roaming the interior. Suggs and Doom rushing outside.

 

On obvious rushing downs, he'd set the edge similarly to upshaw and probably would do it better. We could use a rotation of B.Williams, Guy, and C.Davis inside and suggs with bosa outside.

 

Im also a realist in knowing that a few starters will get probably gethurt and that's where bosa really adds value. Our front 7 would be very deep and would have the ability to desquise coverages much better than last year. The D would be fresh all game with a rotation like that  

[DynastyofBaltimore]

I'm positive that the two players that Decosta has narrowed the pick down to are defense; Regardless of the Pitta and K.O situations BECAUSE of the secondary and pass rush situations. BPA my hind end, BPA and need can intersect this year. Joey Bosa, Myles Jack, or Jalen Ramsey...whoever out of those three that drops to us, if they do, and whoever out of those three has the highest rating to our front office. The reason we weren't close to a contract with Justin Tucker, I believe, is because we are negotiating a contract extension/lowering his cap hit with Joe Flacco, trying to get K.O back, and participating at the combine all at the same time. The worst contracts on our team are Webb's and Pitta's, if we can fix those, I believe the future of the team is already brighter.
I'm also for drafting Jaylon Smith unless there really is nerve damage. His potential is awesome if he can recover. I don't care if it's a second round pick, he's worth it.

[J.O.14]

I did not buy into Bosa before the combine, and one of the reasons, which is his speed, became apparent. He is not explosive, he cant press the edge and he will get eaten up by pro tackles. I think Bosa would be a waste of a draft pick and another one we will look back on in two or three years and ask what was Ozzie thinking. There is no doubt the Ravens will hurt themselves if they draft Bosa because they will have wasted a draft pick. It is tough to remember pass rushers who came in year 1 and dominated but there are corners and safeties all over the league who rocked their first year.

Bosa doesn't beat tackles with speed. He is very powerful, and wins with technique. He is very fundamentally sound. He will stuff the run as well. He is versatile, as he could add a pass rushing presence from the inside along with the outside. He will help keep Doom fresh as well. It's not always about speed, even though it is a killer. I don't think Bosa will be a guy who puts up 10+ sacks every season, but he will get a lot of pressure and be very effective.

It's also unfair to expect the rookies to come in and dominate their rookie season. There are a few exceptions, but that rarely happens. They need to develop, and that may take time.

[usmccharles]

20 hours ago, fusuymada said:

I did not buy into Bosa before the combine, and one of the reasons, which is his speed, became apparent. He is not explosive, he cant press the edge and he will get eaten up by pro tackles. I think Bosa would be a waste of a draft pick and another one we will look back on in two or three years and ask what was Ozzie thinking. There is no doubt the Ravens will hurt themselves if they draft Bosa because they will have wasted a draft pick. It is tough to remember pass rushers who came in year 1 and dominated but there are corners and safeties all over the league who rocked their first year.

While im not on the Bosa wagon, I just have a feeling hes not going to be what everyone is thinking.  However, I think its a mistake to make definitive statements.  So, if we draft him and he starts off slow and turns into Von Miller/Watt/Suggs, you would be mad because he didn't have a dominant rookie year?  Just using examples, because we don't know what he will be and there is a chance he becomes a great player in this league.