Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[PolishRifle]

4 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

I think we were already screwed with Dallas and SD sitting in front of us. Jacksonville is out of the Buckner/Bosa mix since they just added Jackson and have Fowler coming back. If Cleveland acquires Kaepernick or some other QB, then Bosa without a doubt will go to Cleveland. Browns will see it as a way to boost ticket sales drafting the local guy and he would be BPA. Then SD would take Buckner meaning we miss out on both. In this scenario:

- Titans take Tunsil

- Browns take Bosa

- Chargers take Buckner

- Cowboys take Ramsey

- Jaguars take Jack

Leaving us potentially with 2 options.... Stay at 6 and take Leonard Floyd. Second option in this case would be to trade down for Noah Spence while acquiring more picks. So we need Denver or the Jets to acquire Colin otherwise we lose Bosa and Buckner instead of having the option of at least 1 if Wentz went second overall.

The fact, that CLE wants to acquire Kaep tells me, that they are not interested in the QBs of this draft class and will probably go with a playmaker in the first. I don't think not getting Kaep will change any of that.

If the draft shakes out as you predict, I'd probably stay put and take VH3.

[Jacquouille]

Well, with Malik Jackson to Jax, they won't take Buckner, but rather Jack.

In other words, we will certainly have to choose between Buckner and VH3

[usmccharles]

14 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, with Malik Jackson to Jax, they won't take Buckner, but rather Jack.

In other words, we will certainly have to choose between Buckner and VH3

I think they would go VH3.  With getting Jackson and Fowler coming back, the front of their defense will be much improved leaving their secondary the weakness

[PolishRifle]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, with Malik Jackson to Jax, they won't take Buckner, but rather Jack.

In other words, we will certainly have to choose between Buckner and VH3

I'd take VH3.

[Tru11]

jags most likely will go with the secondary which means ramsey or VH3.

they already have posluzny and telvin smith at lber.

the most pressing need they have are at CB and safety.

with the colts and now texans they seriously need a CB.
Someone to cover hilton and hopkins for instance.

unless they sign amakura or weddle.....

 

 

 

[Drew P]

7 hours ago, JO_75 said:

I think we were already screwed with Dallas and SD sitting in front of us. Jacksonville is out of the Buckner/Bosa mix since they just added Jackson and have Fowler coming back. If Cleveland acquires Kaepernick or some other QB, then Bosa without a doubt will go to Cleveland. Browns will see it as a way to boost ticket sales drafting the local guy and he would be BPA. Then SD would take Buckner meaning we miss out on both. In this scenario:

- Titans take Tunsil

- Browns take Bosa

- Chargers take Buckner

- Cowboys take Ramsey

- Jaguars take Jack

Leaving us potentially with 2 options.... Stay at 6 and take Leonard Floyd. Second option in this case would be to trade down for Noah Spence while acquiring more picks. So we need Denver or the Jets to acquire Colin otherwise we lose Bosa and Buckner instead of having the option of at least 1 if Wentz went second overall.

 

I dont think Bosa is the second best player in the draft. Ramsey and Tunsil are 1a and 1b. Buckner is a specimen but not worthy of a #3. Floyd is wiry and will get hammered at the NFL level. I'm good with VH3 at 6.

[FastEddie]

40 minutes ago, Drew P said:

 

I dont think Bosa is the second best player in the draft. Ramsey and Tunsil are 1a and 1b. Buckner is a specimen but not worthy of a #3. Floyd is wiry and will get hammered at the NFL level. I'm good with VH3 at 6.

 

Might get your guy than...personally hoping Buckner drops to us. From what I've been reading, QB interest has fallen off...

Figures considering this is the highest draft spot we've had in years.

Regardless, I would be happy with VH3 rather than trading back.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

jags most likely will go with the secondary which means ramsey or VH3.

they already have posluzny and telvin smith at lber.

the most pressing need they have are at CB and safety.

with the colts and now texans they seriously need a CB.
Someone to cover hilton and hopkins for instance.

unless they sign amakura or weddle.....

Posluzny is not a very good linebacker and due to his dead cap, he could be cut in a heartbeat and almost all of the savings could be had back for the Jags (weird that they made such a solid move...). 

Now, I wouldn't put it past Dan Quinn to take a chess piece in the secondary, especially considering Ramsey has the requisite length. If he can make due with fifth rounders and undrafted free agents in Seattle, he could certainly make Rasmey a star.

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Posluzny is not a very good linebacker and due to his dead cap, he could be cut in a heartbeat and almost all of the savings could be had back for the Jags (weird that they made such a solid move...). 

Now, I wouldn't put it past Dan Quinn to take a chess piece in the secondary, especially considering Ramsey has the requisite length. If he can make due with fifth rounders and undrafted free agents in Seattle, he could certainly make Rasmey a star.

To this day I'll argue the two most important pieces of the Seattle defense are Wagner and Thomas. That defense wasn't elite until they got Wagner and he started making the calls and using his coverage at MIKE. I see a similar player in Jack but better. 

[allblackraven]

57 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

To this day I'll argue the two most important pieces of the Seattle defense are Wagner and Thomas. That defense wasn't elite until they got Wagner and he started making the calls and using his coverage at MIKE. I see a similar player in Jack but better. 

Maybe it's the position he plays but I think you have to include Kam Chancelor on that list. His pouting about money and overall weirdness aside, that guy makes so many crucial plays it's not funny.

[ellicottraven]

It's been reported (Walter Football) that Jalen Ramsey is looking more and more like the Titans #1 pick. If that happens and the Browns trade for Kap (Kap is interested in being traded to Browns as well), then Tunsil will fall to the Chargers. From our perspective, there may be no QBs taken prior to our pick and that hurts our chances at a blue chip player (Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack and Buckner). Here is the way I see it playing out on draft day without trades:

1: Ramsey - Titans (Based on latest rumors from Walter football)

2: Bosa - Browns ( Ohio State guy, blue chip prospect who may help with ticket sales)

3: Tunsil - Chargers (I don't think the Chargers pass on a talent like Tunsil falling to them).

4: Jack - Cowboys ( who else?)

5: Buckner - Jags (the last of the blue chippers as reported by several media)

6: VH3 or Stanley - Ravens ( We may choose to trade back and the chances are plenty considering 2 QBs will potentially be taken in the next two picks)

7: Goff - Niners

8: Wentz - Philly

The last 2 are interchangeable depending on who SF likes more.

 

[Winchester]

11 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

I negged this. Monroe isn't a scrub. He is injury prone. There is a difference. He actually can play well when he's on the field. 

He is very inconsistent and overrated. He is downright erratic and seems to not care much for the game. If ravens try him again I hope he plays 14games  so there is no injury excuse for him.

[January J]

I've had a feeling all along that the jags will take VH3. If kap goes to cleveland it could actually help in terms of trading back. Somebody will want to jump up in front of San Fran to take Goff or wentz. In that case I say we jump back to 15 and take either Spence or treadwell.

If not:

Tunsil

Bosa 

Ramsey

Buckner/Jack

VH3

6) Jack/buckner

 

[ALPHA]

6 minutes ago, Winchester said:

He is very inconsistent and overrated. He is downright erratic and seems to not care much for the game. If ravens try him again I hope he plays 14games  so there is no injury excuse for him.

Overrated by who? how do you judge his effort? when healthy he is by all accounts a good player, at the most difficult position to fill on the oline.

[Winchester]

17 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Well, with Malik Jackson to Jax, they won't take Buckner, but rather Jack.

In other words, we will certainly have to choose between Buckner and VH3

Do not want Buckner or VH3 at #6!! Jack is cool but Bosa is awesome!! Bosa then Conklin,Coleman,Beavers or Ifedi. Then Deion Jones to give ravens a tandem of safety fast physical 3down ilbs!! Then trade the 2017 round1 pick for a young #1 receiver.Or round2 pick for a receiver on the rise like Janis

Edited March 12, 2016 by Winchester

[Maryland]

 

12 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

It's been reported (Walter Football) that Jalen Ramsey is looking more and more like the Titans #1 pick. If that happens and the Browns trade for Kap (Kap is interested in being traded to Browns as well), then Tunsil will fall to the Chargers. From our perspective, there may be no QBs taken prior to our pick and that hurts our chances at a blue chip player (Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack and Buckner). Here is the way I see it playing out on draft day without trades:

1: Ramsey - Titans (Based on latest rumors from Walter football)

2: Bosa - Browns ( Ohio State guy, blue chip prospect who may help with ticket sales)

3: Tunsil - Chargers (I don't think the Chargers pass on a talent like Tunsil falling to them).

4: Jack - Cowboys ( who else?)

5: Buckner - Jags (the last of the blue chippers as reported by several media)

6: VH3 or Stanley - Ravens ( We may choose to trade back and the chances are plenty considering 2 QBs will potentially be taken in the next two picks)

7: Goff - Niners

8: Wentz - Philly

The last 2 are interchangeable depending on who SF likes more.

 

I was trying to imagine the worst scenario possible based on an overreaction to recent rumors, and I think this is pretty much it lol. Sniping the 49ers for a QB in this scenario could be a hot option for some team, since Oz would probably love to trade down, so I guess it's not all bad if they get some good picks. Also would not rule out the Ravens trading with the Browns for Tunsil in this scenario. Their new GM values amassing draft picks, and if nothing significant changes until then, we'll need a LT. 

And if there are no trades, I really have no problem with VH3. I know I'm in the minority on him, but I still think he will be an elite CB. I like him a lot more than Buckner in all honesty. 

Edited March 12, 2016 by Maryland

[Inqui]

Just now, Maryland said:

 

I was trying to imagine the worst scenario possible based on an overreaction to recent rumors, and I think this is pretty much it lol. Sniping the 49ers for a QB in this scenario could be a hot option for some team, since Oz would probably love to trade down, so I guess it's not all bad if they get some good picks. Also would not rule out the Ravens trading with the Browns for Tunsil in this scenario. Their new GM values amassing draft picks, and if nothing significant changes until then, we'll need a LT. 

And if there are no trades, I really have no problem with VH3. I know I'm in the minority on him, but I still think he will be an elite CB. I like him a lot more than Buckner in all honesty. 

It's a really interesting possibility - seeing if the Browns would bite for a 2016 3rd and 2017 2nd or something. Maybe chuck in our 4th from the Broncos for good measure if they need convincing. Of course, I still don't think Tunsil should be ruled out for the Browns but that'd just swap Bosa and Tunsil in the "worst-case" draft so if that's the case I kinda hope Joe Thomas stays put for another year.

With that said, I know how you feel about being in the minority because I'd be on board with Stanley at 6 if our board got looted like that. He's the guy I voted for in this poll (I just didn't say anything since I hadn't picked in the forum mock yet, haha). I also don't think the Jags take Buckner in that situation, as I think his best fit there is as a DT and frankly if they want a DT they can get better value and better fits on day two, so at "worst" our choice would be between Buckner, Stanley and VH3. Which is still a very good spot to be in, in this fan's opinion.

And as to who's most likely to slide to us out of that big five, I think Buckner and it's not especially close. I actually saw one pundit have Buckner fall to the teens - the argument being that every year there's at least one DL player who gets hyped up like nothing else only to fall in a big way on the day - and whether or not he's right it's certainly an interesting point.

[Maryland]

2 minutes ago, Inqui said:

It's a really interesting possibility - seeing if the Browns would bite for a 2016 3rd and 2017 2nd or something. Maybe chuck in our 4th from the Broncos for good measure if they need convincing. Of course, I still don't think Tunsil should be ruled out for the Browns but that'd just swap Bosa and Tunsil in the "worst-case" draft so if that's the case I kinda hope Joe Thomas stays put for another year.

With that said, I know how you feel about being in the minority because I'd be on board with Stanley at 6 if our board got looted like that. He's the guy I voted for in this poll (I just didn't say anything since I hadn't picked in the forum mock yet, haha). I also don't think the Jags take Buckner in that situation, as I think his best fit there is as a DT and frankly if they want a DT they can get better value and better fits on day two, so at "worst" our choice would be between Buckner, Stanley and VH3. Which is still a very good spot to be in, in this fan's opinion.

And as to who's most likely to slide to us out of that big five, I think Buckner and it's not especially close. I actually saw one pundit have Buckner fall to the teens - the argument being that every year there's at least one DL player who gets hyped up like nothing else only to fall in a big way on the day - and whether or not he's right it's certainly an interesting point.

I could definitely see the Browns drafting Tunsil if he's there. They are already shopping Joe Thomas. 

[Winchester]

14 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Overrated by who? how do you judge his effort? when healthy he is by all accounts a good player, at the most difficult position to fill on the oline.

He often struggled even while in Jacksonville. Just run a search of Eugene struggling at left tackle and see what comes up!! I know you are hoping he will play well for the ravens. But that is why the jags traded him. He was to inconsistent and jags did not have any interest resigning him.

[Winchester]

On 3/10/2016 at 11:23 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was at one point but I am just a little more about either pass rush or coverage now. Plus I've watched a lot more on buckner and I've come to the conclusion that while her a very good prospect i dont think he's quite what I hyped him up to be. He anchors against doubles but doesn't blow them up like I originally though he did and his interior pressure mostly comes from 1v1 against the tackle and taking the inside lane, so it technically is interior pressure but not what I made it out to be. Would still love him here but I think we'll be fine in the trenches without him, vh3 Would have a bigger impact and is of the same talent level

 

Well it is about time!! lol, I knew you would eventually cool on him a little. I do not like him at all at #6. I tried to be politically correct about him cuz I did not feel like arguing with you about him. Matter of fact I would not want him in round1. He is not even close to the player Nkimdeche is!! I am so happy you finally soured on him a little!! I knew you would eventually. I would take Michael Thomas at 6 before him and Thomas is not considered top10. This class is so deep at defensive tackle. Really makes the Davis pick suck that much more!! Ravens could of traded up several spots for an edge rusher like Hunter!!

[KBoum]

I really really doubt that Browns won't take a QB. Hue Jackson is a QB coach. He LOVES big bodied QB. Why in hell they will get Kaep instead of a new guy who he can work with from day 1. 

 

Wentz will go to the Browns I'm pretty sure of this. Even if they trade for Kaep, I think they will want to draft a QB to develop. 

 

Rumors getting strong about Browns trading a 3th for Kaep only if he takes a paycut

Edited March 12, 2016 by KBoum

[GrimCoconut]

I really don't want Buckner with #6. Just keeping it real. I'd prefer Stanley, Hargreaves, and even Lawson to him. 

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

Well it is about time!! lol, I knew you would eventually cool on him a little. I do not like him at all at #6. I tried to be politically correct about him cuz I did not feel like arguing with you about him. Matter of fact I would not want him in round1. He is not even close to the player Nkimdeche is!! I am so happy you finally soured on him a little!! I knew you would eventually. I would take Michael Thomas at 6 before him and Thomas is not considered top10. This class is so deep at defensive tackle. Really makes the Davis pick suck that much more!! Ravens could of traded up several spots for an edge rusher like Hunter!!

Being honest here...while I like Buckner I prefer Rankins to him.

[Supychou]

As long as we don't take Stanley, I'll be fine.
I'd like us to take VH3 or Jack or a pure passrusher if Ozzie wants to trade down a bit.

[balfan23]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really don't want Buckner with #6. Just keeping it real. I'd prefer Stanley, Hargreaves, and even Lawson to him. 

I'm intrigued by Lawson. I really won't be stunned if Lawson is one of the guys we're focused on. To me, he looks like he could be our next Sizzle. Many fear the dreaded tradeback, but I'd be just fine if we traded back and got him. 

However, looking at the way things will likely break, we can't trade back very far at all and still get him. I just don't see a trade partner at 8 or 9 and if we go back farther than that, I don't think we'd get him. 

I posted a consensus post-combine mock in another thread and Lawson is solidly projected to go to the Giants at 10. Even taking him at 6 - especially if the Browns trade for a QB and select defense - wouldn't be a reach. 

[BmoreBird22]

22 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Maybe it's the position he plays but I think you have to include Kam Chancelor on that list. His pouting about money and overall weirdness aside, that guy makes so many crucial plays it's not funny.

But Kam is able to do his job because Earl Thomas and that scheme. Thomas can single high if he wanted, but the Cover 3 base means Kam doesn't ever have to play deep coverage or cover a lot of ground. His most common coverage is the hook zone into the flat where he just annihilates people

[January J]

I would be satisfied with bosa, ramsey, tunsil, buckner, jack, spence or Treadwell(tradeback), and even vh3. You would think picking at 6 atleast one of these picks will come to fruition. Stanleywouldnt be the worst pick but we really need a playmaker with this high of a pick. Some say the gap between him and Tunsil is smaller than others but I'm not so sure. We can do better, and Ozzie has alot of pressure on him to hit a homerun with the mediocre drafts as of late and out poor record last season. I'm sure He will get it right. If onlyKO would have taken the 8.5..smh 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

I'm intrigued by Lawson. I really won't be stunned if Lawson is one of the guys we're focused on. To me, he looks like he could be our next Sizzle. Many fear the dreaded tradeback, but I'd be just fine if we traded back and got him. 

However, looking at the way things will likely break, we can't trade back very far at all and still get him. I just don't see a trade partner at 8 or 9 and if we go back farther than that, I don't think we'd get him. 

I posted a consensus post-combine mock in another thread and Lawson is solidly projected to go to the Giants at 10. Even taking him at 6 - especially if the Browns trade for a QB and select defense - wouldn't be a reach. 

I agree that  I don't think Lawson would be much of a reach at 6, and would fill a major need for the Ravens. He'd be great here. If Jack and Bosa are gone, I'd have no issue taking Lawson.

[ALPHA]

9 hours ago, Winchester said:

He often struggled even while in Jacksonville. Just run a search of Eugene struggling at left tackle and see what comes up!! I know you are hoping he will play well for the ravens. But that is why the jags traded him. He was to inconsistent and jags did not have any interest resigning him.

No, the Jags traded Monroe because he was in the last year of his contract and they drafted Luke Joekel to be his replacement. What you are describing with your most recent piece of negationism is closer to James Hursts level of play.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I agree that  I don't think Lawson would be much of a reach at 6, and would fill a major need for the Ravens. He'd be great here. If Jack and Bosa are gone, I'd have no issue taking Lawson.

I agree as well. I think Lawson fits the prototype for our OLB even more than bosa. If we're just looking for a weapon in the edge then bosa is who we want, but if we want a day 1 starter at OLB with no learning curve, then Lawson is our guy. Sadly we won't take him at 6