Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Interesting to bring up that comparison because when I looked up scouting reports for comparisons (I hate doing those myself), I saw the comparisons were Courtney Upshaw and then Pernell McPhee. 

I think he's closer to McPhee, but he's certainly a damn good edge rusher like Upshaw. The only issue I had with the one comparing him to Upshaw is they seemed to say most of his sacks were effort sacks, but I honestly think that goes back to him really only using the bull rush. With his quickness, when he develops something like a swim move or a spin move, he'll be awesome because he's already extremely hard to outleverage and stay latched onto. 

And I like seeing what scouts/front office personnel say about players, but the one quote was from an ACC OC and he said they never ran at Shaq and it changed their entire offensive gameplan because they could not go his direction.

His spin move and leverage and shoulder dip make for a great foundation to become a very good pass rusher, losing that gut would do wonders for him as he already has a decent first step and agility for such a big man, playing at 260 I think he really would be lethal in the pass rush and like you said about his run defense, you might as well just avoid the guy because his edge setting and line crashing is 100% nfl caliber. 

 

Basically I think he's a total package but his weight looks like it could be an issue. I don't want my 34OLB at the combine with a gut.

[glen ferguson]

The more i look at our needs for the 2016 season the more i think the best thing is for us to trade down and get at least another 2nd round pick. I think we need a pass rusher,a cb and a tackle with our first 3 picks. Kevin Dodd/Shaq Lawson/Emanuel Obah/Noah Spence/Leonard Floyd ,these are all viable options as pass rushers. Jack Conklin/Jason Spriggs, these are great options at tackle. William Jackson is the cb i really love.  It would be really sweet if we could someway somehow pick up Josh Doctson to pair with Perriman, man this offence would be unstoppable. I would really be satisfied with any combination of these players with our first 3 or 4 picks. I do believe at least one of these guys will be there at pick number 6, Myles Jack/Joey Bosa/ Vernon Hargreaves or DeForrest Bucknor, and i really think they are elite players, however selecting any of these players would limit the amount of quality players we could pick up in the draft. BTW i'm not sold on Stanley, i think he's gonna struggle initially at least in the first year or two. What do you guys think about this post?

[Drew P]

19 minutes ago, glen ferguson said:

The more i look at our needs for the 2016 season the more i think the best thing is for us to trade down and get at least another 2nd round pick. I think we need a pass rusher,a cb and a tackle with our first 3 picks. Kevin Dodd/Shaq Lawson/Emanuel Obah/Noah Spence/Leonard Floyd ,these are all viable options as pass rushers. Jack Conklin/Jason Spriggs, these are great options at tackle. William Jackson is the cb i really love.  It would be really sweet if we could someway somehow pick up Josh Doctson to pair with Perriman, man this offence would be unstoppable. I would really be satisfied with any combination of these players with our first 3 or 4 picks. I do believe at least one of these guys will be there at pick number 6, Myles Jack/Joey Bosa/ Vernon Hargreaves or DeForrest Bucknor, and i really think they are elite players, however selecting any of these players would limit the amount of quality players we could pick up in the draft. BTW i'm not sold on Stanley, i think he's gonna struggle initially at least in the first year or two. What do you guys think about this post?

They have to many picks as it stands. No way they can manage 11 or greater picks with any precision.

[glen ferguson]

I should add that i'm all for trading our two 4th rd (not compensatory) along with our 3rd to move back up in the 2nd or even the bottom of the first to get any combination of the above mention players.

[ALPHA]

The further away you get from the top 5 the less likely a player is to stay on the team, but in saying that the more draft picks you have the better your chances are of finding contributors.

[Davesta]

I'm curious to know what people think Stanley as a prospect? If tunsil wasn't in this draft, could Titans justify Stanley as the #1 pick? Is he a better prospect than say Eric fisher and juke joeckel who went 1&2 in the 2013 draft? Just trying to see where he stands because he's probably the non sexy yet realistic draft pick

[ngatainmyhouse]

25 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

The further away you get from the top 5 the less likely a player is to stay on the team, but in saying that the more draft picks you have the better your chances are of finding contributors.

We've had too many contributors come and go. I think it's about time we get a superstar that we will actually be able to afford and keep in 4 years. The defense is losing its dominant presence and our offense is nothing spectacular. We've had way to many guys that were good once groomed but we are in the perfect spot and the right time to get a difference maker. Torrey Smith, Kruger, and Ellerbe are three guys that did well with Ravens but haven't lived up to the money they got from FA. 

[ALPHA]

3 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

We've had too many contributors come and go. I think it's about time we get a superstar that we will actually be able to afford and keep in 4 years. The defense is losing its dominant presence and our offense is nothing spectacular. We've had way to many guys that were good once groomed but we are in the perfect spot and the right time to get a difference maker. Torrey Smith, Kruger, and Ellerbe are three guys that did well with Ravens but haven't lived up to the money they got from FA. 

It's true our drafts havent been great but there are a lot of factors involved that go beyond the players, you don't automatically land a blue chip star with a top 10 pick, roughly half of them are going to be busts. 

[GrimCoconut]

19 minutes ago, Davesta said:

I'm curious to know what people think Stanley as a prospect? If tunsil wasn't in this draft, could Titans justify Stanley as the #1 pick? Is he a better prospect than say Eric fisher and juke joeckel who went 1&2 in the 2013 draft? Just trying to see where he stands because he's probably the non sexy yet realistic draft pick

Stanley and Tunsil are the best LT prospects since those from the 2011 class. I think Stanley would go above Solder and Castonzo and could very well be better than both. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

29 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

It's true our drafts havent been great but there are a lot of factors involved that go beyond the players, you don't automatically land a blue chip star with a top 10 pick, roughly half of them are going to be busts. 

I didn't mean for it to sound like our drafts haven't been good. I still love what Ozzie is doing and think he has been efficient with his picks. We can't assume all picks will be a home run, especially picking that late in every round for the past 5 years. With picks this high in the draft and now being able to trade comp picks I hope we can sacrifice a few picks in order to move up and pick "our" guy than the picking the next best guy we have that falls to us

[ALPHA]

9 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

I didn't mean for it to sound like our drafts haven't been good. I still love what Ozzie is doing and think he has been efficient with his picks. We can't assume all picks will be a home run, especially picking that late in every round for the past 5 years. With picks this high in the draft and now being able to trade comp picks I hope we can sacrifice a few picks in order to move up and pick "our" guy than the picking the next best guy we have that falls to us

I read somewhere that we're only targeting two players with that number 6 spot, now if thats true then we may have to move up.

[Edgar]

The way I see it, we need Dallas to drafT a QB if we expect either Bosa or Jack to be there. Not sure I like that and to my mind it makes this thread relevant to say the least.

[Drew P]

9 minutes ago, Edgar said:

The way I see it, we need Dallas to drafT a QB if we expect either Bosa or Jack to be there. Not sure I like that and to my mind it makes this thread relevant to say the least.

They may even go with Zeke

[Cillmatic]

I think Hargreaves is trending back up for us. I'd take Jack if Ozzie REALLY likes him though.

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎3‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 1:37 PM, Deflated Football said:

VH3 is very well spoken, has football in his DNA, comes from the SEC and is an all star on and off the field. Seems like a no brainer to me at six. 

would you take him or jack if both are available? I love them both so I would be happy either way.

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎3‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 1:42 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm going with shaq Lawson. It was between him and vh3 and I ultimately went with the more shallow position group. I figure we can absolutely find a starting cb in round 2 like wj3 or fuller which would likely be our goal. 

 

I doubt we see value at Lawson in the first but i personally think that he has low risk and the most potential and also is the prototype for a ravens OLB

I agree that he is flying under the radar and after Bosa and Lawson, the rest of the pass rushers, maybe besides Ogbah have question marks next to their names. I think Bosa and Lawson are both locks to be great players. His combine was impressive and his production cannot be overlooked due to his team because 12 sacks and 22 overall tackles for a loss in one season is crazy and he has been consistent throughout his years at Clemson. Talent falls off fast there where corner has a pretty decent amount of depth, I would love WJIII or Apple in the second, maybe even Fuller.

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎3‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 3:11 PM, gabefergy said:

Lawson in this worst case scenario. He's a very good pass-rusher, stout run defender, and showed at the combine he has underrated athleticism as well. 

Amen lol The best worst case scenario at #6 if you ask me.

[RavensDieHard21]

18 hours ago, Davesta said:

What's with this massive love for jack? He didn't do anything at the combine due to injury. Are you all just gauging on tape? 

He has a proven track record and many scouts are saying he is in the conversation as top overall prospect with Ramsey, Tunsil and Bosa. His tape is crazy and his versatility is blue chip status.

[RavensDieHard21]

17 hours ago, January J said:

Well tape doesnt Lie. His versatility And leadership could be extremely valuable. High character guy. And him paired With mosely? Pshh Forget about it.

I'd think we would be right up there with Kuechly and Davis in due time.

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, mc_red23 said:

1: R1P6
DE SHAQ LAWSON
CLEMSON

 

2: R2P5
OLB LEONARD FLOYD
GEORGIA

3: R3P7
WR TYLER BOYD
PITTSBURGH

4: R4P6
CB JONATHAN JONES
AUBURN

 

Not sure how realistic this would be for a draft. 
 

It is realistic, well Boyd would be hard to see falling to the third, but Strong did last year so you never know.

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

Is the difference between Tunsil and Stanley so big?

The best stat on Tunsil is 29 career start, only 2 sacks surrendered. nickname is the eraser and has the best technique of any lineman. Plus has more ability in run blocking. Not a huge gap, but Tunsil is the real deal.

[Boddiebroadus]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree that he is flying under the radar and after Bosa and Lawson, the rest of the pass rushers, maybe besides Ogbah have question marks next to their names. I think Bosa and Lawson are both locks to be great players. His combine was impressive and his production cannot be overlooked due to his team because 12 sacks and 22 overall tackles for a loss in one season is crazy and he has been consistent throughout his years at Clemson. Talent falls off fast there where corner has a pretty decent amount of depth, I would love WJIII or Apple in the second, maybe even Fuller.

I know Lawson had a good combine but I don't really like his tape. He doesn't play strong. He's also pretty slow off the snap. I still think Spence is a better prospect. Also Matt Miller said spence strained his hammy at the senior bowl which he was still nursing at the combine but not sure how much weight that holds. Also I don't like ogbah either he takes way to many plays off and he's very inconsistent. As far as edge rushers go I still think it goes Bosa, Spence, Floyd, Lawson then ogbah. I'm hoping for jack, bosa, Ramsey or Buckner at 6. 

[Gordo52]

If Ramsey, Jack or Bosa is gone, I'm really hoping for Treadwell. Officially give Joe the freaking keys! Smith only has a year left and Perriman looks like a huge question mark at this point. I have no doubt Smith will come back strong but he is kind of up there & coming off a serious injury. I'm not comfortable with our wide-receiving core at all right now. Best case for the future is Tread & Perriman growing together and giving Joe two young dynamic receivers outside. Something I'm dying to see. A year with Smith should rub off on Treadwell nicely. I'm sure Trestman & Joe are hoping for this as well. 

 

 

Get a DB/Edge later. Still don't like VH3 at 6. Even if many do believe he has Haden potential. Wouldn't be upset with Buckner or Spence. Do not want Stanley but if we lose K.O. I guess we kinda have to. 

 

Treadwell is worth it to me.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree that he is flying under the radar and after Bosa and Lawson, the rest of the pass rushers, maybe besides Ogbah have question marks next to their names. I think Bosa and Lawson are both locks to be great players. His combine was impressive and his production cannot be overlooked due to his team because 12 sacks and 22 overall tackles for a loss in one season is crazy and he has been consistent throughout his years at Clemson. Talent falls off fast there where corner has a pretty decent amount of depth, I would love WJIII or Apple in the second, maybe even Fuller.

I wouldn't say ogbah doesn't have question marks. He is essentially one big athletic question mark. His tape honestly shows a 4th rounder

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Decosta said we have 2 guys targeted for our pick. I'm really curious what he means by that and who it could be. 

And is that an indication that they might trade up? Or does it mean if neither is there when they're on the clock that theyre going to trade back?

Confusing... but if they think theres only 2 guys in this draft that are blue chip players i want us to go up and get em. if one gets picked, do what it takes to get the next pick. There's only 3 players I'd be really excited to pick at 6: Bosa, Ramsey or Jack.

Stanley and Buckner just dont do it for me, and everyone else I think is poor value (except Tunsil but I expect him to be long gone). 

So, if somehow Bosa, Ramsey and Jack are all gone I'd trade back a little bit, at which point I'd want VH3, Treadwell, or Spence.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Decosta said we have 2 guys targeted for our pick. I'm really curious what he means by that and who it could be. 

And is that an indication that they might trade up? Or does it mean if neither is there when they're on the clock that theyre going to trade back?

Confusing... but if they think theres only 2 guys in this draft that are blue chip players i want us to go up and get em. if one gets picked, do what it takes to get the next pick. There's only 3 players I'd be really excited to pick at 6: Bosa, Ramsey or Jack.

Stanley and Buckner just dont do it for me, and everyone else I think is poor value (except Tunsil but I expect him to be long gone). 

So, if somehow Bosa, Ramsey and Jack are all gone I'd trade back a little bit, at which point I'd want VH3, Treadwell, or Spence.

I think it's a smokescreen. I would think at the very least we have 4 people we would take at 6 but that list includes tunsil so I'd call it 3, bosa and ramsey at the very least then I'd have a hard time believing we wouldnt pounce on one of buckner, vh3, or jack, Jack seems like a guy Ozzie would really covet

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Decosta said we have 2 guys targeted for our pick. I'm really curious what he means by that and who it could be. 

And is that an indication that they might trade up? Or does it mean if neither is there when they're on the clock that theyre going to trade back?

Confusing... but if they think theres only 2 guys in this draft that are blue chip players i want us to go up and get em. if one gets picked, do what it takes to get the next pick. There's only 3 players I'd be really excited to pick at 6: Bosa, Ramsey or Jack.

Stanley and Buckner just dont do it for me, and everyone else I think is poor value (except Tunsil but I expect him to be long gone). 

So, if somehow Bosa, Ramsey and Jack are all gone I'd trade back a little bit, at which point I'd want VH3, Treadwell, or Spence.

I don't think it's that at all.  In that same statement, DeCosta said that they have a pretty good idea how the top 5 is going to go.  I'd imagine they have based the 2 guys off of what they expect to happen.

[Inqui]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

I don't think it's that at all.  In that same statement, DeCosta said that they have a pretty good idea how the top 5 is going to go.  I'd imagine they have based the 2 guys off of what they expect to happen.

That sounds about right - this is where you really want to be a fly on the wall in their draft meetings.

[ALPHA]

54 minutes ago, Inqui said:

That sounds about right - this is where you really want to be a fly on the wall in their draft meetings.

Their draft boards never seem to match he ones you see floating aroun the internet, they obviously have a better in-depth knowledge than we do.

[ellicottraven]

I can guarantee you of the two guys Eric spoke about, at least 1 of those 2 has never been mocked to us this far. I just feel like we'll go in a direction that will surprise and shock some people. My guess is that it may be Ezekiel Elliott. He must be ranked really high on our board and could very well be the best player available when we pick. I hope this is not the case, but I feel like it may be him more and more.

Edited March 3, 2016 by ellicottraven