Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[Maryland]

22 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Probably going to get one more of these up before the draft. Safe to say most of you guys don't think Ramsey or Tunsil will be there for us at this point so they will be counted as being taken in this final version. I will leave the other 3 up to you guys though by getting a poll up here in the next couple days for you guys to vote on. You will be able to vote multiple times which is encouraged since the top 3 players in this poll will be taken off our board for this final version of the thread(so voting for 3 players that will not make our pick is strongly encouraged). Thinking of including the following as choices in the poll to cover a wide variety of options for teams picking ahead of us.

Wentz
Elliott
Hargreaves
Bosa
Jack
Buckner
Goff

Anyone else you think I should include in the poll?

I would make a thread with 2 separate polls:

1) Who do you want the Ravens to draft

2) Who do you think the Ravens will draft

 

And the options for both would be:

Bosa

Buckner

Jack

VH3

Elliott

Stanley

Other/trade

 

I wouldn't put on Goff or Wentz, since those would be troll picks most likely

/I guess there is overlap between trade and the other picks, so maybe make those options separate (since multiple votes)

//and when I say I, I mean you (because it's your thread to make lol)

Edited April 11, 2016 by Maryland

[52520Andrew]

3 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I would make a thread with 2 separate polls:

1) Who do you want the Ravens to draft

2) Who do you think the Ravens will draft

 

And the options for both would be:

Bosa

Buckner

Jack

VH3

Elliott

Stanley

Other/trade

 

I wouldn't put on Goff or Wentz, since those would be troll picks most likely

This poll is going to be about who gets taken before we pick so unless you don't think a QB goes before #6, they are going to be on the poll.

Once we figure that out though and do the final poll about who the Ravens should take at #6, that would be an interesting idea to include a question about what people think the Ravens will do.

[Maryland]

54 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

This poll is going to be about who gets taken before we pick so unless you don't think a QB goes before #6, they are going to be on the poll.

Once we figure that out though and do the final poll about who the Ravens should take at #6, that would be an interesting idea to include a question about what people think the Ravens will do.

Ah, I get it now.

Well maybe I'll just make that thread I imagined at a later date then

[443hurricane]

On 4/7/2016 at 0:20 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Idk man. I don't see anything special but nothing too worrying either. 

 

A guy I really like in the mid rounds is Kevin Peterson out of OKSTU. He could be a stud covering guys who aren't overly fast, he mirrors very well and plays tough and times his hands very consistently for good swats. His problem is size and top end speed but he is fluid and explosive and shifty and plays the ball well.

ok st players worry me.. blackman, randle, gilbert, weeden,

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[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

You take the BPA. Always. I like Henry's game a lot and was considering taking him in the second of our game. You want the truth? Gillmore is overrated. He's a good TE, but will never be anything more. Maxx's ceiling is way higher. If you think he's another Gronkowski or Eifert you take him. He'd be a hell of a piece cause I think Maxx is another Jason Witten. 

I actually think Witten is the best comparison for Henry. He brings a more over the middle approach than Maxx, almost like Gates and Green.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

ok st players worry me.. blackman, randle, gilbert, weeden,

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I don't think that's a valid reason for worry. The only time I think that truly applies is when a RB is ran into the ground like Bama does, or for db's who look good in small sample sizes with great pass rush in front of them, again like Bama db's lol. Blackmon is one of the most talented receivers to come out in a long while but he is a head case. Weeden was overdrafted as hell, Gilbert... Well idk what happened there. They also have dez Bryant who may be the best wr in the league. Can't hold a string of bad picks and a few legit busts against an entire college

[beanfigger]

7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Probably going to get one more of these up before the draft. Safe to say most of you guys don't think Ramsey or Tunsil will be there for us at this point so they will be counted as being taken in this final version. I will leave the other 3 up to you guys though by getting a poll up here in the next couple days for you guys to vote on. You will be able to vote multiple times which is encouraged since the top 3 players in this poll will be taken off our board for this final version of the thread(so voting for 3 players that will not make our pick is strongly encouraged). Thinking of including the following as choices in the poll to cover a wide variety of options for teams picking ahead of us.

Wentz
Elliott
Hargreaves
Bosa
Jack
Buckner
Goff

Anyone else you think I should include in the poll?

Stanley might be one I would add.

[52520Andrew]

35 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

Stanley might be one I would add.

I thought about him but who takes him before 6? I don't think Tennessee or San Diego take him as the value isn't good enough and I think the Jags and Cowboys go another direction. I can throw him on though as well.

[beanfigger]

23 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I thought about him but who takes him before 6? I don't think Tennessee or San Diego take him as the value isn't good enough and I think the Jags and Cowboys go another direction. I can throw him on though as well.

Someone trying to trade ahead of us for fear of missing on one of the two top tier guys. Tackles are a lot like QBs in that way, it seems. Not saying it's likely, but I think about the same odds as two QBs going before us.

[52520Andrew]

5 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

Someone trying to trade ahead of us for fear of missing on one of the two top tier guys. Tackles are a lot like QBs in that way, it seems. Not saying it's likely, but I think about the same odds as two QBs going before us.

Yeah might as well put them on there. Main reason I have Goff is the event the Browns want to go with Goff along with a team like the 49ers or Eagles moving up

[trevorsteadman]

2 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

I thought about him but who takes him before 6? I don't think Tennessee or San Diego take him as the value isn't good enough and I think the Jags and Cowboys go another direction. I can throw him on though as well.

Only way I see Stanley top 5 is if the Chargers chose him and it makes sense. The Chargers offensive line has been unhealthy and unstable which has led them to horrible seasons. I honestly think if Rivers had an offensive line like the Cowboys he would make that Chargers offense top 3 in the league. It is insane what he is doing while being hit every play. I have high respect for Rivers. If Tunsil fell to them then they woud be ecstatic but I think Tennessee stays put and chooses him. 

[52520Andrew]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Only way I see Stanley top 5 is if the Chargers chose him and it makes sense. The Chargers offensive line has been unhealthy and unstable which has led them to horrible seasons. I honestly think if Rivers had an offensive line like the Cowboys he would make that Chargers offense top 3 in the league. It is insane what he is doing while being hit every play. I have high respect for Rivers. If Tunsil fell to them then they woud be ecstatic but I think Tennessee stays put and chooses him. 

I just think 3 is too high for the Chargers for Stanley but I wouldn't complain one bit if the Chargers go that route. Agree that they don't pass on a guy like Tunsil, that O-line was terrible for them last year and like you say, Rivers is huge for that team so protecting him is key.

[GrimCoconut]

16 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I just think 3 is too high for the Chargers for Stanley but I wouldn't complain one bit if the Chargers go that route. Agree that they don't pass on a guy like Tunsil, that O-line was terrible for them last year and like you say, Rivers is huge for that team so protecting him is key.

I think Chargers take Tunsil or Buckner, but Stanley and Ramsey wouldn't surprise me. I recall people mocking them Bosa but I've maintained that I don't see that happening. 

[trevorsteadman]

29 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I just think 3 is too high for the Chargers for Stanley but I wouldn't complain one bit if the Chargers go that route. Agree that they don't pass on a guy like Tunsil, that O-line was terrible for them last year and like you say, Rivers is huge for that team so protecting him is key.

They were 9th in the league in total yards last season and were #4 in passing even with Rivers being hit as much as he was. I agree protection is key but I still see the Chargers offense as a top 3 if they get their offensive line into shape.

[52520Andrew]

15 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Chargers take Tunsil or Buckner, but Stanley and Ramsey wouldn't surprise me. I recall people mocking them Bosa but I've maintained that I don't see that happening. 

Yeah I don't think they go Bosa that high, I just view #3 as a reach for Stanley and that they can get a defensive playmaker at that pick. I think Buckner is a really good fit for them.

4 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

They were 9th in the league in total yards last season and were #4 in passing even with Rivers being hit as much as he was. I agree protection is key but I still see the Chargers offense as a top 3 if they get their offensive line into shape.

But their defense was also a mess last year so getting a defensive playmaker would make a lot of sense for them and they can hope to get someone on the O-line later. I just don't think Stanley is the best pick for them at 3 as it is a reach. Would be pretty pissed if the Ravens went that direction if they were picking at 3 honestly. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah I don't think they go Bosa that high, I just view #3 as a reach for Stanley and that they can get a defensive playmaker at that pick. I think Buckner is a really good fit for them.

But their defense was also a mess last year so getting a defensive playmaker would make a lot of sense for them and they can hope to get someone on the O-line later. I just don't think Stanley is the best pick for them at 3 as it is a reach. Would be pretty pissed if the Ravens went that direction if they were picking at 3 honestly. 

And I would agree they need defense but the way I look at it is Rivers has less than 3 years left most likely before he retires. Getting an OT is a position that can influence the game right away. Ramsey at safety wouldn't affect the game as much. Ramsey at a corner may be shakey because a lot of corners struggle year one. A pass rusher does them no good the first year most likely as well. OT would help protect not only Rivers but also may get their running game going with Melvin Gordon their 1st round pick from last season. I still think they go defense but I would not be surprised if Stanley is taken at #3. 

[52520Andrew]

6 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

And I would agree they need defense but the way I look at it is Rivers has less than 3 years left most likely before he retires. Getting an OT is a position that can influence the game right away. Ramsey at safety wouldn't affect the game as much. Ramsey at a corner may be shakey because a lot of corners struggle year one. A pass rusher does them no good the first year most likely as well. OT would help protect not only Rivers but also may get their running game going with Melvin Gordon their 1st round pick from last season. I still think they go defense but I would not be surprised if Stanley is taken at #3. 

I just don't see Stanley being worth taking that high. I also am not sold on Stanley in the run game as I don't see him getting much push. Maybe they trade back and take him to help protect Rivers but I think it would be a reach for them to take him at #3. 

[iceripper]

I'm pretty sure they don't take Buckner at 6. I have a feeling the Cowboys really consider him. Ozzie/DeCosta said last they're almost done and Buckner didn't visit/workout for the Ravens. For a first round pick this seems too risky. Also DeCosta didn't mention Buckner in the same sentence like Bosa, Jack, Ramsey etc, 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, iceripper said:

I'm pretty sure they don't take Buckner at 6. I have a feeling the Cowboys really consider him. Ozzie/DeCosta said last they're almost done and Buckner didn't visit/workout for the Ravens. For a first round pick this seems too risky. Also DeCosta didn't mention Buckner in the same sentence like Bosa, Jack, Ramsey etc, 

I'm starting to agree with this premise.   I think maybe they devalue Buckner because of how well we can develop guys we get in the mid rounds and our dline is pretty good at the moment.   

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I just don't see Stanley being worth taking that high. I also am not sold on Stanley in the run game as I don't see him getting much push. Maybe they trade back and take him to help protect Rivers but I think it would be a reach for them to take him at #3. 

What if they view Stanley higher than Tunsil. This situation reminds me of the Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher draft. Everyone thought that Joeckel was a lot better than Fisher and Fisher went #1. I could see the Chargers taking Stanley. Stanley would have been the top OT in the last couple drafts. People bash him because they believe that Tunsil is better. While I agree that Tunsil is better if Tunsil is not on the board and you have Stanley rated right behind him you take him. 

[52520Andrew]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

What if they view Stanley higher than Tunsil. This situation reminds me of the Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher draft. Everyone thought that Joeckel was a lot better than Fisher and Fisher went #1. I could see the Chargers taking Stanley. Stanley would have been the top OT in the last couple drafts. People bash him because they believe that Tunsil is better. While I agree that Tunsil is better if Tunsil is not on the board and you have Stanley rated right behind him you take him. 

I don't view Stanley being better than Tunsil. If the Chargers do, good for them but I would consider it a reach to take Stanley at #3 overall. I can't say I am sold on taking Stanley even at #6 overall for us.

[ravensdan]

On April 11, 2016 at 0:50 AM, 52520Andrew said:

Probably going to get one more of these up before the draft. Safe to say most of you guys don't think Ramsey or Tunsil will be there for us at this point so they will be counted as being taken in this final version. I will leave the other 3 up to you guys though by getting a poll up here in the next couple days for you guys to vote on. You will be able to vote multiple times which is encouraged since the top 3 players in this poll will be taken off our board for this final version of the thread(so voting for 3 players that will not make our pick is strongly encouraged). Thinking of including the following as choices in the poll to cover a wide variety of options for teams picking ahead of us.

Wentz
Elliott
Hargreaves
Bosa
Jack
Buckner
Goff

Anyone else you think I should include in the poll?

IMO it should go Ramsey, Bosa, Zeke Lawson. So I'd add Lawson. He's hoing to get drafted ahead of projection. 

[beanfigger]

Tunsil is now a remote, but somewhat plausible possibility. If he gets taken before us, I think it is a 100% guarantee that we go defense. With the trade, we know one of the top four defenders will be there. I think Stanley and Elliot are now off the table barring a trade back.

[Adreme]

3 hours ago, beanfigger said:

Tunsil is now a remote, but somewhat plausible possibility. If he gets taken before us, I think it is a 100% guarantee that we go defense. With the trade, we know one of the top four defenders will be there. I think Stanley and Elliot are now off the table barring a trade back.

I actually see it as a 50-50 since the top 2 teams are likely picking QB which leaves Tunsil only being desired by SD.  So the question becomes Tunsil or whichever of the elite defenders is still on the board and I honestly do not know which answer is correct in that statement.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Adreme said:

I actually see it as a 50-50 since the top 2 teams are likely picking QB which leaves Tunsil only being desired by SD.  So the question becomes Tunsil or whichever of the elite defenders is still on the board and I honestly do not know which answer is correct in that statement.

It certainly makes things interesting, but wouldn't it be poetic justice if the Ravens covet Ramsey & trade ahead of the Cowboys to snag Ramsey from them, San Diego meanwhile trading back banking on the likelihood that Tunsil falls to them at #6 and they get the guy they could've had at #3 at #6. It's a win-win in a lot of ways, and it's true that Tunsil could go to JAX, but then again I think they are  very very high on Myles Jack and I know SD also really likes Myles Jack. 

[TSports]

Hope the Browns take a QB so that we can choose Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey, or Jack (whoever is left) all great impact players. What if Tunsil Slides down to us, should we take him?

[JoeyFlex5]

No need for negs here, only saying this for laughs... But wouldn't it be hilariously depressing if ramsey fell to us and we took him and jumped for joy, and he turned out to be a bust and vh3 became the best db in the league... 

[Maryland]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No need for negs here, only saying this for laughs... But wouldn't it be hilariously depressing if ramsey fell to us and we took him and jumped for joy, and he turned out to be a bust and vh3 became the best db in the league... 

Ramsey could bust if they try to play him at CB imo. He seems more like a press corner, and not the kind of player who would succeed playing 10 yds off.

VH3 seems like the perfect CB for playing 10 yds off, which is what Pees does. He played off a lot in college, and he has the quickness to recover quickly and hips to mirror with ease. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Ramsey could bust if they try to play him at CB imo. He seems more like a press corner, and not the kind of player who would succeed playing 10 yds off.

VH3 seems like the perfect CB for playing 10 yds off, which is what Pees does. He played off a lot in college, and he has the quickness to recover quickly and hips to mirror with ease. 

I don't see Ramsey as a pure cb or a safety. I think he will have to grow into a position. He's honestly more of a skilled and high motor athlete at this point. He is a natural on the field, but he doesn't seem to be the most polished player, and he has good instincts but tends to play a bit more reactive than anticipatory, I think he has the drive to improve there and become special, but as impressive a young man as ramsey is, he is not some 100% sure thing. He's got a ridiculous ceiling but also has a ways to go before He's even consistent at the next level let alone dominant. 

[RaineV1]

Ramsey would be a combination SS/LB/slot corner. He'd be used all over the field.