Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, beanfigger said:

We just signed the last RB taken that high in the draft, right? Don't need to be greedy. 2nd round (preferably late after a trade) at the earliest for a RB in today's game.

Tell that to the Los Angeles Rams.

[flynismo]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

A rb that can help you convert a handful more 3rd downs each and every week is not a luxury. Even if he isn't putting up 1500 yards rushing, the advantage of having a rb who performs very well in pass pro and as a safety valve for dumpoffs is no luxury. And with how inconsistent we are on offense it actually may be EXACTLY what we need. instead of scoring with ease one drive and then disappearing for the rest of the half like we always do, let's have a ground game that keeps us on the field, lets have a rb who can intelligently chip an edge rusher and  then roll out for the dump on 3rd and 5 and convert it, let's get a guy who can likely boost our time of possession by a whole 5 minutes per week and bring our red zone offense from trash to top 5 in the league. 

 

I absolutely 100% believe zeke could make that big a difference on this team. Our offense seems tailor made for him and he seems tailor made for us.

I agree with us needing a rb who can reliably move the ball, not just pick up chunks. One of the biggest problems with our offense for years has been the constant third and longs we find ourselves in. If we are absolutely confident Zeke is that guy, well, this offense needs him. Take him.

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

Is the consensus here that Noah Spence will be available for us in the second round? If that's the case, I don't see the need to "double-down" at the DE position. 

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

Is the consensus here that Noah Spence will be available for us in the second round? If that's the case, I don't see the need to "double-down" at the DE position. 

I don't think there is a consensus.

Also, if the Ravens are interested, he will be drafted to play OLB, which still leaves a need to upgrade our D line.

[Maryland]

Considering Suggs and Doom are both nearing the ends of their careers, I wouldn't mind doubling-down at the edge. We have yet to replace McPhee, at least until Z.Smith proves otherwise, so that extra rusher won't go to waste anyway.

As the old saying goes: you can never have enough pass rushers. Broncos just proved that themselves all the way to a super bowl. 

Personally, I'm very interested in Victor Ochi as a 4th round pick. He reminds me a lot of McPhee, and he has been slotted to the Ravens as a good fit by mock draft analysts. 

Edited April 2, 2016 by Maryland

[Gordo52]

4 hours ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

Is the consensus here that Noah Spence will be available for us in the second round? If that's the case, I don't see the need to "double-down" at the DE position. 

I don't believe he will be. If he is, I hope we rush to take him regardless.

 

Bosa + Spence, Buckner + Spence, Jack + Spence all look great to me. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I still love Spence but I think there are 2 problems.. 

 

I struggle to believe he makes it past buf, nyj, and cinci. 

 

Will hills situation may make it very difficult for the ravens to make such a move. 

 

It may be all smoke screens but teams reportedly weren't raving about his interviews, which adds to my 2nd point.

 

If we took bosa or vh3 at 6 and then Spence in the 2nd it would be an immediate turnaround in our defense. A dream scenario really. 

[Cillmatic]

9 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

I don't believe he will be. If he is, I hope we rush to take him regardless.

 

Bosa + Spence, Buckner + Spence, Jack + Spence all look great to me. 

I don't get where you guys expect Bosa to play. He's not gonna be a good 3-4 OLB.

[Jacquouille]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I still love Spence but I think there are 2 problems.. 

 

I struggle to believe he makes it past buf, nyj, and cinci. 

 

Will hills situation may make it very difficult for the ravens to make such a move. 

 

It may be all smoke screens but teams reportedly weren't raving about his interviews, which adds to my 2nd point.

 

If we took bosa or vh3 at 6 and then Spence in the 2nd it would be an immediate turnaround in our defense. A dream scenario really. 

Spence's situation is nothing compared to Hill really.

 

4 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

I don't get where you guys expect Bosa to play. He's not gonna be a good 3-4 OLB.

1) We don't only play with 3-4 package.

2) We take care of our pass rushers

3) ZDS was said to have some difficulties with the transition, he did fine imo. That concern is overblown imho.

[Tru11]

Bosa to me seems to be more of 4-3 DE or he will have to beef up to be a 3-4 DE

I dont think he is suit to be an every down 3-4 OLB TBH.

His size , weight and athetic ability dont suit that position.

 

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

43 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Spence's situation is nothing compared to Hill really.

Not comparing them. Just suggesting that with a higher profile player being released due to failed drug tests, may be reason for the ravens to steer clear of someone with multiple drug offenses. 

 

And really... They are pretty close. Hill had multiple suspensions, Spence was suspended then expelled for a 2nd failed test. I'd say theyre comparable.

 

Again, I want Spence on the team, i think he's a fine young man and that he will keep his nose clean. I'm just trying to say how I think the ravens very possibly could view the situation

[Mad Puppy]

Someone compare Spence to Yannick Ngakoue for me.

Play similar roles, Yannick is faster, similar size. Why is Spence getting so much press with off field issues (which the Ravens should be very adverse to considering recent history of Will Hill & Pierce, Asa Jackson and Boyle PED issues)

Yet Ngakoue can be had in later rounds.

I would choose Yannick Ngakoue over Spence every day.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

Someone compare Spence to Yannick Ngakoue for me.

Play similar roles, Yannick is faster, similar size. Why is Spence getting so much press with off field issues (which the Ravens should be very adverse to considering recent history of Will Hill & Pierce, Asa Jackson and Boyle PED issues)

Yet Ngakoue can be had in later rounds.

I would choose Yannick Ngakoue over Spence every day.

Great post,  I'm interested in a a break down between the two as well.   Maybe level of opponents? 

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not comparing them. Just suggesting that with a higher profile player being released due to failed drug tests, may be reason for the ravens to steer clear of someone with multiple drug offenses. 

 

And really... They are pretty close. Hill had multiple suspensions, Spence was suspended then expelled for a 2nd failed test. I'd say theyre comparable.

 

Again, I want Spence on the team, i think he's a fine young man and that he will keep his nose clean. I'm just trying to say how I think the ravens very possibly could view the situation

Yeah, I got your point, but honestly, despite his talent, Hill went undrafted because of all the red flags he had. He had like 5 or more suspensions, and couldn't get clean to the point I'm wondering if he's not completely addicted... Some on the french forum also posted a vid in his Gator's days, where he stumbled upon a kid in a wheelchair and trashtalked him during a game... So yeah I know that you're just trying to figure out how much the FO is feeling about this, but I think if you take a closer look, Spence is really showing that he's caring about his career.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, Mad Puppy said:

Someone compare Spence to Yannick Ngakoue for me.

Play similar roles, Yannick is faster, similar size. Why is Spence getting so much press with off field issues (which the Ravens should be very adverse to considering recent history of Will Hill & Pierce, Asa Jackson and Boyle PED issues)

Yet Ngakoue can be had in later rounds.

I would choose Yannick Ngakoue over Spence every day.

Have you watched ngakoue in depth? He has a loooong way to go.

 

I'm not sure he mentally understands football. Id absolutely take him in the 4th but I wouldn't say I prefer him over Spence who may not be big enough to hold up in the run game consistently but he shows a good understanding of what he needs to do. Watching ngakoue try to choose a run lane or watching him try to pursue a screen is cringeworthy

[Jacquouille]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Have you watched ngakoue in depth? He has a loooong way to go.

 

I'm not sure he mentally understands football. Id absolutely take him in the 4th but I wouldn't say I prefer him over Spence who may not be big enough to hold up in the run game consistently but he shows a good understanding of what he needs to do. Watching ngakoue try to choose a run lane or watching him try to pursue a screen is cringeworthy

I think he was talking about the balance between the quality of the player and the price to pay to have him. The real question should be: do you prefer Ngakoue in the 3rd or Spence in the 2nd?

[Maryland]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah, I got your point, but honestly, despite his talent, Hill went undrafted because of all the red flags he had. He had like 5 or more suspensions, and couldn't get clean to the point I'm wondering if he's not completely addicted... Some on the french forum also posted a vid in his Gator's days, where he stumbled upon a kid in a wheelchair and trashtalked him during a game... So yeah I know that you're just trying to figure out how much the FO is feeling about this, but I think if you take a closer look, Spence is really showing that he's caring about his career.

Will Hill had a damning twitter feed to go along with his stoner lifestyle. Link

Spence just liked to party too much it seemed. X is a party drug. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

I think he was talking about the balance between the quality of the player and the price to pay to have him. The real question should be: do you prefer Ngakoue in the 3rd or Spence in the 2nd?

Spence in the 2nd by far. I wouldn't take ngakoue til the 4th at the earliest. 

[JoeyFlex5]

53 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Will Hill had a damning twitter feed to go along with his stoner lifestyle. Link

Spence just liked to party too much it seemed. X is a party drug. 

And I agree. I'm just trying to look at it from the ravens point of view

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

Will Hill had a damning twitter feed to go along with his stoner lifestyle. Link

That link made me literally laugh out loud. That was great...thanks for sharing. 

[Maryland]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

And I agree. I'm just trying to look at it from the ravens point of view

I think the Ravens will approach it the same way they approached drafting Jimmy Smith: interview the kid and judge his character. They met with him twice now, once at the Senior Bowl and once in private. 

I don't think they would let the mistakes of Hill color their opinion of Spence, or the success of Jimmy Smith for that matter. 

[beanfigger]

On April 2, 2016 at 1:39 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Tell that to the Los Angeles Rams.

Didn't they end up with a worse record this year than before they got him? Let me know how many more top-10 (before the Eagles trade) picks it will take them to get back into contention after Gurley.

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

Didn't they end up with a worse record this year than before they got him? Let me know how many more top-10 (before the Eagles trade) picks it will take them to get back into contention after Gurley.

They Have a bad roster overall. They need a qb, a line, wrs, and also a lot of secondary help if I'm not mistaken. 

 

That doesn't make Gurley a bad pick by any means. That's like saying Ben Grubbs was trash because we went 5-11 his rookie year.

[Gordo52]

11 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I don't get where you guys expect Bosa to play. He's not gonna be a good 3-4 OLB.

I see him playing a Suggs role, defending the edge and moving all over whenever needed. He'll always find a place in our defense with the versatility he brings. 

 

If you're saying in the hypothetical of Suggs/Doom/Z/Bosa/Spence, he'll be apart of that great rotation and eventually replace Suggs role full time when he hangs em up. (Which sadly could be after this year.) 

[Jacquouille]

57 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They Have a bad roster overall. They need a qb, a line, wrs, and also a lot of secondary help if I'm not mistaken. 

 

That doesn't make Gurley a bad pick by any means. That's like saying Ben Grubbs was trash because we went 5-11 his rookie year.

Also Quinn was injured for almost the entire season and Long was for some part if I recall well. The secondary wasn't awful however, Jenkins and Johnson were holding it together correctly from what I've seen. But basically Donald and Gurley were quite lonely.

[JoeyFlex5]

11 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Bosa to me seems to be more of 4-3 DE or he will have to beef up to be a 3-4 DE

I dont think he is suit to be an every down 3-4 OLB TBH.

His size , weight and athetic ability dont suit that position.

 

 

 

He may not be the perfect prototypical size for 34DE, but he also doesn't have typical strength for a guy his size. He has the strength of a 43 DT and the lean of a 34OLB, he may not have the balance to 2 gap consistently as a DE for us but he will generate pressure and collapse the pocket for us. He can bullrush both tackles and guards and he can rip them away with ease and close in on the ball quickly.

 

It's not about size in his case. It's about his ridiculous strength and ability to use it in tandem with a great natural lean to generate push. Nobody thought jernigan could play DE for us either because of his build, but his strength and quick hands and feet allowed him to flourish with us.

[law215]

Until the Ravens can cover guys like AJ Green, Antonio Brown, consistently get to the QB, and make big plays on offense, they will struggle to make the playoffs or win the division. The no brainer for round 1 is Buckner or  Stanley. Ramsey will be gone, probably Bosa too. I don't like Myles Jack for the Ravens cause he is not a pass rusher (not a lot of sacks in college) and more like a ILB. Ravens should not draft 2 ILBs 1st round with 2 years of each other.

Possible Scenario

1. R1: Stanley OT – solidify Offensive line. Stanley can either start day one or kick into guard to replace KO. Ensure Joe stays healthy and has time  to get the ball to Wallace, Perriman, Smith Sr.

   OR - Buckner: Get a disruptor on the line that can give interior push or line up over guard and dominant

2. R2: Get best available pass rusher. Correa, Calhoun, Ngakoue, and Maybe Spence will be available

3. R3: Get best available CB. Canaday, Robinson, Murray, Howard, Cyrus Jones maybe available

4. From round 4 to  the end is about best available players. If Ravens can get  two of these guys, I think they are in good shape.

    Wrs: Listenbee, Sharpe, Mitchell, Peake.

   SS: Killibrew, Neal  LB: Wright, Norris, And Jenkins DL: Reader, Kaufusi, Ochi.

DB: Sean Davis, Jalen Mills

RB: Tyler Irvin

[BmoreBird22]

41 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Also Quinn was injured for almost the entire season and Long was for some part if I recall well. The secondary wasn't awful however, Jenkins and Johnson were holding it together correctly from what I've seen. But basically Donald and Gurley were quite lonely.

Jenkins is one of those boom or bust guys, although, Johnson is great. What you have to consider now, though, is that they just lost Jenkins and McLeod and McDonald is kinda hit or miss as well. They're a bad team overall, but Gurley was certainly worth his pick.

[52520Andrew]

29 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Jenkins is one of those boom or bust guys, although, Johnson is great. What you have to consider now, though, is that they just lost Jenkins and McLeod and McDonald is kinda hit or miss as well. They're a bad team overall, but Gurley was certainly worth his pick.

I wouldn't say the Rams are a bad team or at least not last year. They are a 10 win team at least with good QB play. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I always see people say "X player is dominate" when they should say dominant, and it always irks me... 

 

And now I just saw the exact vice versa of that mispronunciation... And I am annoyed lol