Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[LordRavens]

2 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

The hype around Myles Jack being top 5 now is a joke.   

Buckner as well 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, LordRavens said:

Buckner as well 

If Jack and Buckner aren't top 5, then who is?

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, LordRavens said:

Buckner as well 

If buckner and Jack aren't top 5 it's because a qb is taken at 2 and tunsil bosa and Ramsey are too valuable for teams to pass up. Not because of a lack of talent.

[beanfigger]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Quite honestly, at #6, the only guy that I truly would be excited to draft at that spot is Ramsey. I'd still be happy with any of the other four...but this is a special pick for us (we never draft this high), and I think Ramsey is probably the best player in this class, who would also happen to fill a huge hole for us.

Ramsey is by far number one on my wish list. I don't think there's any chance, especially after he killed it at the combine and pro day. I think take one of the other four if they fall to us. If not, try to trade back. If a good deal can't be had with that, I wouldn't be overly upset with VHIII. Prefer him to Stanley.

[allblackraven]

54 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

If Jack and Buckner aren't top 5, then who is?

Lol, there are no top 5 this year, just top 3 and one QB out of necessity . Whoever drops to us, expect major collective disappointment.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

27 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Lol, there are no top 5 this year, just top 3 and one QB out of necessity . Whoever drops to us, expect major collective disappointment.

 

Disappointment among fans in the pick, not a disappointing performance. whether we take buckner, vh3, or zeke, I think we will be more than pleased with the results. Fans will complain about nearly everything, But i wouldn't classify that as real disappointment lol

[Underdogsontop!]

 1st round will come down to who slides to us which imo will be Bosa, Jack, or Buckner. Maybe our FO has VH3 ranking in the top 6... Who knows. After today I'm pretty sure Ramsey won't slide past 3 or 4.  Can't wait till the dam draft already! I just hope we go defense in the 1st.

[Boddiebroadus]

4 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Never thought he was a top 5.  I've voiced my opinion about him since last season.  

The guy can't stuff runs, whiffs tackles like a boss, gets injured even at the slightest touch.   I don't like him one bit.  Jmo though! 

Just watch

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Lol, there are no top 5 this year, just top 3 and one QB out of necessity . Whoever drops to us, expect major collective disappointment.

I think sarcasm is becoming a lost art as we get closer to the draft, ye be warned

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I think sarcasm is becoming a lost art as we get closer to the draft, ye be warned

Heh, no surprises there.

[Maryland]

I want to buy-in to the Buckner hype because he would finally solidify us at 5-tech, which has been lacking in talent for a few years now, but it seems like he can get stood-up pretty easily. 

[Jacquouille]

Cowboys not interested in Bosa, he really might come to us. Not my favorite but I won't be one to complain!

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

Cowboys not interested in Bosa, he really might come to us. Not my favorite but I won't be one to complain!

Now he has to slip past jax!

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Cowboys not interested in Bosa, he really might come to us. Not my favorite but I won't be one to complain!

I really wouldn't believe anything I hear before the draft....

[Jacquouille]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Now he has to slip past jax!

For some reason, I don't see them taking him. They might take Buckner over him, just because he fits better 

[RaineV1]

I'm pretty sure the Jaguars will take Jack or Ramsey if they're there. If those two are gone, then I'm not sure what they'll do.

[Jacquouille]

1 minute ago, RaineV1 said:

I'm pretty sure the Jaguars will take Jack or Ramsey if they're there. If those two are gone, then I'm not sure what they'll do.

Both will be gone according to my own mock (Tunsil, Wentz, Ramsey, Jack)

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'm pretty sure the Jaguars will take Jack or Ramsey if they're there. If those two are gone, then I'm not sure what they'll do.

In no way imaginable do I see Ramsey going past SD considering they just lost their 9 year safety veteran and can replace him with potentially the best talent in the draft.  

[ludy51]

12 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Never thought he was a top 5.  I've voiced my opinion about him since last season.  

The guy can't stuff runs, whiffs tackles like a boss, gets injured even at the slightest touch.   I don't like him one bit.  Jmo though! 

Good thing we pick at #6 then right? 

[GrimCoconut]

I've been telling people I don't think Dallas takes Bosa. I think he has question marks and he's not the safest pick out there. That said, I really think he'd play a role similar to McPhee when he played in his final year with us combined with Upshaw. He's like a cross between those two for me but more athletic and a touch less explosive than McPhee. 

It's either Bosa or Hargreaves, but I think Elliott is another possibility. That is unless Tunsil or Ramsey make it to us.

[beanfigger]

I think Elliot will be a fantastic RB. Having said that, I'll be upset if we take him at 6. I believe the days of that position being worth a pick that high are over.

[ellicottraven]

6 minutes ago, beanfigger said:

I think Elliot will be a fantastic RB. Having said that, I'll be upset if we take him at 6. I believe the days of that position being worth a pick that high are over.

Not if this guy can run for 2000 all purpose yards, block well and be a safety valve for Joe! Imagine the good it can do to our offense to have a potent running game that will keep defenses on their toes, compel them to stack the box and leave themselves vulnerable to Joe's deep ball with Wallace and Perriman on the flanks and Watson and SSR in the middle. Plan for that Defense!

Having said all that, don't underestimate the value of Elliott as our #6 pick. He may very well be picked by Dallas at #4. Not saying I'll be excited for the pick, because I want the Ravens to go D, but, either way it isn't as bad as you think it is. 

[ALI624]

In my opinion there are three players at six that can change our team on and off the field. Those are Ramsey, Jack and VH3. All three of them bring incredible skill sets and I believe leadership to our defense and our team that we have been missing since Ray Lewis retired and Ed Reed left. Weddle is a definite great addition and will also help in these areas, but I think that if you have an opportunity to draft another great talent and a player that can have a even greater impact on the way you play defense then I think you have to end up with one of them.

 

Ramsey and Jack more than likely won't be there at six, so that leaves VH3 and I would be very happy with that. VH3 may not be the "ideal" size for a cornerback, but I believe that he has the athleticism, football IQ and ball skills to be an outstanding corner and would excel within our system and under the coaching of Leslie Frazier. Also now that it looks like Weddle and Webb will be our safeties I think we are going to be running a lot of two deep safeties with would give VH3 more freedom to use his excellent ball skills to get interceptions, which we have sorely lacked the last two seasons, giving the defense and the offense a boost.

 

Some will site a couple of bad games down the stretch, but I don't think a few games should erase his whole career and if you look at other cornerbacks you will find bad games it is the nature of the position just like a quarterback throwing interceptions(see Goff throwing 5 in one game and still ranked in the top two), it is going to happen. I mean Patrick Peterson got toasted by the Panthers in the playoffs and Richard Sherman got beat by Kenny Britt and Case Keenum, does that mean they are no good, of course not, it happens, yes they were beat by NFL players not college, but like I said it's the nature of the position.

 

Like I said this is just my opinion, whether you agree with me or not. 

[Raven'evermore]

4 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Not if this guy can run for 2000 all purpose yards, block well and be a safety valve for Joe! Imagine the good it can do to our offense to have a potent running game that will keep defenses on their toes, compel them to stack the box and leave themselves vulnerable to Joe's deep ball with Wallace and Perriman on the flanks and Watson and SSR in the middle. Plan for that Defense!

Having said all that, don't underestimate the value of Elliott as our #6 pick. He may very well be picked by Dallas at #4. Not saying I'll be excited for the pick, because I want the Ravens to go D, but, either way it isn't as bad as you think it is. 

 I had been hoping for us to get him in a trade down with perhaps the Rams, but in recent mocks I've seen him going to Philly bout five times as well as other top ten teams.  If we can get him with our 6th I'll be more than happy.  Just try stopping us from scoring.  The only set back I see is the o line could be better, but Ozzzie ain't done yet.

[beanfigger]

4 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Not if this guy can run for 2000 all purpose yards, block well and be a safety valve for Joe! Imagine the good it can do to our offense to have a potent running game that will keep defenses on their toes, compel them to stack the box and leave themselves vulnerable to Joe's deep ball with Wallace and Perriman on the flanks and Watson and SSR in the middle. Plan for that Defense!

Having said all that, don't underestimate the value of Elliott as our #6 pick. He may very well be picked by Dallas at #4. Not saying I'll be excited for the pick, because I want the Ravens to go D, but, either way it isn't as bad as you think it is. 

Backs can't do it alone. Find me the last rushing champ to win a Super Bowl. Lynch is the only one in about a decade to win a ring after finishing in the top ten in rushing. Last year, only one of the seven backs to rush for 1000 even went to the playoffs. I think Elliot could very well do all the things you said, and it still wouldn't change my opinion on why we shouldn't draft him. It's not his fault; it's the way the game is now.

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, beanfigger said:

Backs can't do it alone. Find me the last rushing champ to win a Super Bowl. Lynch is the only one in about a decade to win a ring after finishing in the top ten in rushing. Last year, only one of the seven backs to rush for 1000 even went to the playoffs. I think Elliot could very well do all the things you said, and it still wouldn't change my opinion on why we shouldn't draft him. It's not his fault; it's the way the game is now.

Yep - even though Beast Mode played awesome, elite Seahawks D was who won the SB. We need to get tough on defense, then pick one of the monster RBs coming out next year, as @52520Andrew pointed out in another thread. Maybe we won't need to do that next year either, if our 2nd round pick this year proves he's the guy.

[Raven'evermore]

 There's a chance we don't make it to the  SB this year, but taking any one of EE, VH3, Bosa, Buckner or Jack (though that knee scares me) would be a big step in the right direction.  At least with Elliott we can put up enough points to keep a lead.  I expect our defense to actually be better than last year with Jimmy be being more healthier and also having Weddle in the line up.  There's also the chance of picking up a corner in the second round.  Perhaps move up and grab Alexander or Spence.

[Fernando suarez]

I really like the idea of Myles Jack being our first round pick. He is a freak at linebacker and it wouldn't hurt to see if he can work out in the secondary. He will be a great fit next to Mosley and the team.

 

[Jacquouille]

Ok so the "VH3 or Buckner" talk is all I have in mind recently. Assuming VH3 is the best corner to come out in 4 years (which I have read but can't really judge), my main concern is that he becomes Claiborne 2.0, meaning a talented guy that never reaches his ceiling because of injuries. Can anyone give me reasons why that won't happen, so I can evaluate better who's the best pick?

Thanks in advance

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Ok so the "VH3 or Buckner" talk is all I have in mind recently. Assuming VH3 is the best corner to come out in 4 years (which I have read but can't really judge), my main concern is that he becomes Claiborne 2.0, meaning a talented guy that never reaches his ceiling because of injuries. Can anyone give me reasons why that won't happen, so I can evaluate better who's the best pick?

Thanks in advance

I think the corner position is harder to do in the NFL from the college level and easier for a player to lose confidence and just fail...I think Buckner is the safer pick, but I think we end up with VH3.  But I like you am not good at judging this for myself so I just do my reading.