Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[January J]

45 minutes ago, Davesta said:

What's with this massive love for jack? He didn'twithanything at the combine due to  injury. Are you all just gauging on tape? 

Well tape doesnt Lie. His versatility And leadership could be extremely valuable. High character guy. And him paired With mosely? Pshh Forget about it.

[BmoreBird22]

32 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

He has a 1.64 split so I wouldn't say he has a slow get off, maybe just inconsistent or he has different responsibilities. His focus could have been on setting the edge and using that nasty spin move to rush.

This would be something not a lot of people seem to really know about. Clemson's defensive ends aren't your typical college defensive ends that just rush the passer and crash down the line. They have a massive playbook and are extremely well coached to sniff out screens, bootlegs, misdirections, set containment as spies, etc. They do literally about everything you could reasonably ask of a defensive end. It's quite a bit for a young defensive end to process when you consider that it was likely a very big jump from high school to college. 

To be honest, if he were allowed to just pin his ears back and go on every single play, I'm sure it'd be less of an issue to scouts, but he was asked to do far more than probably any other defensive end in college. And that's not to say it's a bad thing because he's already so well coached on everything he's going to have to do in the pros. It's a huge asset because he will very easy be a plug and play defensive end/OLB from day one.

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

What's with this massive love for jack? He didn't do anything at the combine due to injury. Are you all just gauging on tape? 

Yes. Myles Jack is straight up special. I think he's the best player in this draft and if we pass on this guy we are crazy.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

What's with this massive love for jack? He didn't do anything at the combine due to injury. Are you all just gauging on tape? 

Well tape is the best way to gauge and the combine is nothing more than a tool to confirm what you see on tape... Soooo what would be wrong with that?

[Edgar]

8 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree that it seems unlikely they all pass on them, but it's certainly possible:

1. Tunsil

2. Wentz

3. Buckner or Stanley (who knows)

4. Goff (Dallas trades back and Rams move up, or Dallas takes him regardless)

5. Jack

 

There you have it, your Ramsey & Bosa scenario. 

I really like Stanley. I don't get the dislike for him. Yeah, he isn't the strongest guy and doesn't play with that mean streak you want to see, but I wouldn't call him soft, either. He's plenty nasty out there and his pass protection is top-notch. I think Tunsil is better as both a pass protector and in the run, but Stanley is no slouch and he's better than every LT prospect that's recently come out. I do like that guy Spriggs, though, so maybe something happens there and we get him in the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised either way. 

I'd say Ramsey to San Diego. Agree Dallas goes QB. Bosa to Jacksonville and fingers crossed we take Jack

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This would be something not a lot of people seem to really know about. Clemson's defensive ends aren't your typical college defensive ends that just rush the passer and crash down the line. They have a massive playbook and are extremely well coached to sniff out screens, bootlegs, misdirections, set containment as spies, etc. They do literally about everything you could reasonably ask of a defensive end. It's quite a bit for a young defensive end to process when you consider that it was likely a very big jump from high school to college. 

To be honest, if he were allowed to just pin his ears back and go on every single play, I'm sure it'd be less of an issue to scouts, but he was asked to do far more than probably any other defensive end in college. And that's not to say it's a bad thing because he's already so well coached on everything he's going to have to do in the pros. It's a huge asset because he will very easy be a plug and play defensive end/OLB from day one.

Great analysis. When he pins his ears back you see a good first step and he gets to the corner at a very impressive rate for someone as huge and strong as him. He's no Vic Beasley but he is more comparable to a well rounded OLB like suggs or James Harrison. 

 

I like that lawson brings pass rush in a variety of ways and doesn't just rely on a bull rush or the bend, and i like that he visibly did not pin his ears back and still did everything at a very high rate. He is nearly everything you look for in a pro 34OLB

[ALPHA]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Great analysis. When he pins his ears back you see a good first step and he gets to the corner at a very impressive rate for someone as huge and strong as him. He's no Vic Beasley but he is more comparable to a well rounded OLB like suggs or James Harrison. 

 

I like that lawson brings pass rush in a variety of ways and doesn't just rely on a bull rush or the bend, and i like that he visibly did not pin his ears back and still did everything at a very high rate. He is nearly everything you look for in a pro 34OLB

I think his workouts show what he is capable of, he kind of reminds me of Upshaw but he timed like Justin Houston so that could be his ceiling. However I still like Kevin Dodds tape better he reminds me of Jared Allen.

[sflegend89]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Well tape doesnt Lie. His versatility And leadership could be extremely valuable. High character guy. And him paired With mosely? Pshh Forget about it.

 

This. Jack is going to be a problem at the next level. His coverage skills for a LB are out of this world, at a combine interview he was talking about how he has also played safety and CORNERBACK at UCLA (You know in addition to also being a really good RB). Just a ridiculously versatile player and he's no slouch in the tackling department either. If we take Jack to pair with Mosley there should be no complaints from anyone, even if it's not a huge position of need that's a home run pick and really it's a classic Ozzie BPA pick when we're all expecting us to go after a position of need.

 

[Davesta]

If we had the option to chose between bosa and Buckner, who would you pick? I see a lot of mock drafts with this scenario (bosa being our mock pick). 

[L.A.Ravens]

1 hour ago, Davesta said:

If we had the option to chose between bosa and Buckner, who would you pick? I see a lot of mock drafts with this scenario (bosa being our mock pick). 

Bosa

[usmccharles]

If HG3 is there when we pick and the others are off the board, I think that's our pick

 

 

Edited March 2, 2016 by usmccharles

[52520Andrew]

I think it is fairly obvious that one of the top 5 would be the pick if they make it. That is why we are going under the assumption that they are all gone, to see who we would take in that situation. It is in the bold print on the opening post guys.

[MrDelDante]

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php

6: R1P6

CB JALEN RAMSEY

FLORIDA STATE

36: R2P5

DE KEVIN DODD

CLEMSON

70: R3P7

WR WILL FULLER

NOTRE DAME

105: R4P6

OLB JAYLON SMITH

NOTRE DAME

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Great analysis. When he pins his ears back you see a good first step and he gets to the corner at a very impressive rate for someone as huge and strong as him. He's no Vic Beasley but he is more comparable to a well rounded OLB like suggs or James Harrison. 

Interesting to bring up that comparison because when I looked up scouting reports for comparisons (I hate doing those myself), I saw the comparisons were Courtney Upshaw and then Pernell McPhee. 

I think he's closer to McPhee, but he's certainly a damn good edge rusher like Upshaw. The only issue I had with the one comparing him to Upshaw is they seemed to say most of his sacks were effort sacks, but I honestly think that goes back to him really only using the bull rush. With his quickness, when he develops something like a swim move or a spin move, he'll be awesome because he's already extremely hard to outleverage and stay latched onto. 

And I like seeing what scouts/front office personnel say about players, but the one quote was from an ACC OC and he said they never ran at Shaq and it changed their entire offensive gameplan because they could not go his direction.

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, MrDelDante said:

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php

6: R1P6

CB JALEN RAMSEY

FLORIDA STATE

36: R2P5

DE KEVIN DODD

CLEMSON

70: R3P7

WR WILL FULLER

NOTRE DAME

105: R4P6

OLB JAYLON SMITH

NOTRE DAME

Outside of Fuller I love this draft

[Drew P]

3 hours ago, MrDelDante said:

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/draft.php

6: R1P6

CB JALEN RAMSEY

FLORIDA STATE

36: R2P5

DE KEVIN DODD

CLEMSON

70: R3P7

WR WILL FULLER

NOTRE DAME

105: R4P6

OLB JAYLON SMITH

NOTRE DAME

Dodd is projected as an early first rounder.

Ramsey could go one.

Fuller is a track guy.

Jaylon round 4 is wishful thinking.

[usmccharles]

16 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Dodd is projected as an early first rounder.

Ramsey could go one.

Fuller is a track guy.

Jaylon round 4 is wishful thinking.

Dodd could fall

Ramsey could fall

Fuller in the third? not bad, could go first round with that speed

Jaylon smith- anything is possible...

[mc_red23]

1: R1P6
DE SHAQ LAWSON
CLEMSON

 

2: R2P5
OLB LEONARD FLOYD
GEORGIA

3: R3P7
WR TYLER BOYD
PITTSBURGH

4: R4P6
CB JONATHAN JONES
AUBURN

 

Not sure how realistic this would be for a draft. 
 

Edited March 2, 2016 by mc_red23

[Drew P]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Dodd could fall

Ramsey could fall

Fuller in the third? not bad, could go first round with that speed

Jaylon smith- anything is possible...

Ramsey fall? Come on the guy won the combine, maybe fall to #3. He is electric a plug in and play day one starter at CB or S on any team. Worthy of a leap/trade.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

Ramsey fall? Come on the guy won the combine, maybe fall to #3. He is electric a plug in and play day one starter at CB or S on any team. Worthy of a leap/trade.

I was merely just saying we don't know.  I agree he's incredibly talented and could go number one, just think Tunsil makes sense, then a qb, then Ramsey.  But it is possible he makes it to Dallas/Jacksonville.  Anything is possible, likely? prolly not.  That's all im saying

[Ravens4Real]

18 hours ago, rudywasoffsides said:

VH3 no question. I think his combine performance shows he has a lot to offer and showcased that. I think he understandably got in his own head the back half of this year trying not to get injured and mess up his draft stock and made mistakes and played poorly because of it. After seeing what happened to Jaylon Smith, I don't blame him at all for this and think he is going to be the ball hawking corner we lacked last year. We take him and he gets no less than 4 picks this year for us and at least one pick 6. With that said, the players I want in order are Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, VH3. Ramsey is out of this world talented

 

Jaylon Smith got hurt in a bowl game. So saying VH3 had a poor second half of the season because he was thinking of Smiths injury, whenever it hadn't even happened yet, is wrong.

I remember watching Florida vs. Michigan in their bowl game and VH3 getting abused on double moves. He got beat for a touchdown by about 15 yards. He did not look like a shutdown corner.

He was also getting torched in the SEC championship game.

Many here may not want to hear it, but he wasn't even the best CB on his own team this year. Jalen Tabor will end up being a better prospect than him.

Edited March 2, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

 

Jaylon Smith got hurt in a bowl game. So saying VH3 had a poor second half of the season because he was thinking of Smiths injury, whenever it hadn't even happened yet, is wrong.

I remember watching Florida vs. Michigan in their bowl game and VH3 getting abused on double moves. He got beat for a touchdown by about 15 yards. He did not look like a shutdown corner.

I think what VH3 said (during the interviews) was that he intentionally slowed down at the end of the season to avoid an injury.  He was more focused on the NFL than the opponents in front of him.  Then people compared that to Jaylon, who did get injured at a very bad time for his pro career.  So I think people were making the connection in their head.  It's a comparison, but not what motivated VH3.  Hope that makes sense. 

[Jaybirds]

With the way free agency is going, I'm not sure we have a choice at #6.  I think it's pretty clear we're going to lose KO, and there's rumors we'll cut Monroe as well.  If either of those happen, I think we have to take Stanley assuming he's there.  I just don't see anyone else who could start Game 1 at left tackle.  Well... Tunsil, but we're not that lucky. 

[PolishRifle]

3 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

With the way free agency is going, I'm not sure we have a choice at #6.  I think it's pretty clear we're going to lose KO, and there's rumors we'll cut Monroe as well.  If either of those happen, I think we have to take Stanley assuming he's there.  I just don't see anyone else who could start Game 1 at left tackle.  Well... Tunsil, but we're not that lucky. 

Is the difference between Tunsil and Stanley so big?

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, PolishRifle said:

Is the difference between Tunsil and Stanley so big?

I don't think in the long run it is, but as far as immediate impact Tunsil is more pro-ready from what I have read (seen) as well. 

I wouldn't mind the Stanley pick at all.  Just unfortunate that we could have such a dominant line if we kept KO and took Stanley, but defense is a very pressing need. 

[Jaybirds]

Just now, PolishRifle said:

Is the difference between Tunsil and Stanley so big?

No idea.  I'm crap at player evaluation.  But the market value is that big, yes.  Stanley is likely to be there for us at #6.  Very few people have even imagined Tunsil falling that far.  I don't know, maybe if literally every team in front of us went defense or QB?  Doesn't seem likely though. 

From the evaluations I've read, it does seem like Tunsil has a higher ceiling and will make more impact in the NFL.  Stanley seems like a safe bet, but a bit boring.  I'll gladly defer to others here, though. 

[PolishRifle]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I don't think in the long run it is, but as far as immediate impact Tunsil is more pro-ready from what I have read (seen) as well. 

I wouldn't mind the Stanley pick at all.  Just unfortunate that we could have such a dominant line if we kept KO and took Stanley, but defense is a very pressing need. 

Joe comes back from a major injury and we never solved that LT position. All we're left with is an injury prone Monroe and James Hurst, if KO leaves in FA. Sounds pressing to me. Also, really good LT will be hard to come by in the 2nd round. Quality CB on the other hand? Plenty, imho.

[Jaybirds]

6 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

Joe comes back from a major injury and we never solved that LT position. All we're left with is an injury prone Monroe and James Hurst, if KO leaves in FA. Sounds pressing to me. Also, really good LT will be hard to come by in the 2nd round. Quality CB on the other hand? Plenty, imho.

Exactly. It looks like all the starting left tackles will be gone in the first round.  KO pretty much forces our hand. 

I think that's what the front office meant when they said they have it down to two guys for our pick.  Stanley if KO walks, someone else if he doesn't (guessing Hargreaves). 

 

Edited March 2, 2016 by Jaybirds

[January J]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

Dowoyules  is projected as compl eyelyirst rounder.

Ramseyroundld go one.

Fuller is a t rack guy.

Jaylon round 4 is wishful thinking.

I thought the same thing but the Word is he has serious nerve damage ontop of Everything Else, and many teams have deemed him completely Undraftable. I find it hard to believe someone wouldnt take a chance on him by Round 4 Or 5 but who knows. I know i Would.

[ALPHA]

43 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

Is the difference between Tunsil and Stanley so big?

Neither played in a pro style so could have run blocking issues, but Tunsil is stronger and anchors better.