Who should we take at #6? The new and improved version

[52520Andrew]

10 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

Well Ozzie is going to draft BPA. I mean we've ignored CB for 2 drafts now. We've ignored a true #1 receiver for a while too unless you consider Perriman the #1, but we have yet to see him take the field. I'm don't understand why you keep mentioning Orr as an UDFA I could care less about draft position as long as he can play

And how has that worked out for us at both positions exactly? You think if the Ravens could go back and add a player at either position the past couple years they would sit on their hands again?

 

And just so people don't get the wrong idea, I don't hate Orr. He has been good on special teams and if he earns the job good on him. I just think it would be stupid to hand him the starting job without making him earn it. Playing limited snaps over a struggling Daryl Smith(not full snaps either) and beating out Arthur Brown is not exactly what I would call earning the starting job.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, 52520Andrew said:

And how has that worked out for us at both positions exactly? You think if the Ravens could go back and add a player at either position the past couple years they would sit on their hands again?

 

And just so people don't get the wrong idea, I don't hate Orr. He has been good on special teams and if he earns the job good on him. I just think it would be stupid to hand him the starting job without making him earn it. Playing limited snaps over a struggling Daryl Smith(not full snaps either) and beating out Arthur Brown is not exactly what I would call earning the starting job.

But when shareece Wright earns a starting job by default he is praised as a welcomed addition. 

 

I personally don't support orr as the starter but there seems to be a double standard here. I think a guy like orr next to Mosley is much safer than Wright in our secondary

[52520Andrew]

12 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Considering depth at the position in this year's draft, I am sure we'll sign FA and look for the best value pick, regardless of the round. Unless of course someone like Ragland or Darron Lee starts dropping.

I mean even if Orr proves me wrong and goes out and does awesome this season, we have no real backup behind him and Mosley. If CJ gets injured this year, we are very likely looking at a long season at the ILB position. Would be pretty happy if Lee end up in our range to get as I think he could compliment Mosley well but I don't know either. My guess is we get someone in the mid to late rounds and probably sign a FA or trade for someone. If we are shifting to more of a Tampa 2 look, the ILB position becomes a lot more important from a coverage standpoint.

[52520Andrew]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

But when shareece Wright earns a starting job by default he is praised as a welcomed addition. 

 

I personally don't support orr as the starter but there seems to be a double standard here. I think a guy like orr next to Mosley is much safer than Wright in our secondary

The thing I will give Wright is that he played well for a good chunk of the season as opposed to just playing limited snaps at the very end of the season and the FO was comfortable enough to give him a fairly big contract extension so I'd imagine they are fairly comfortable with what he could do. At least we have proof that Wright can play, Orr is pretty much a crap shoot at this point. I agree though that another CB wouldn't be a bad thing to have given that Wright had his fair share of struggles in San Diego but I also value a deep secondary quite a bit as you are only as strong as your weakest link back there.

I think there are a fairly large group of people though who still have questions about the CB position as well. I think there are a few people who would not pass on a guy like Hargreaves in the first(just look at the poll above although I know the top 5 are all gone but still) and most mock drafts I have seen on here involve us taking a CB early.

[thieverycorporation]

48 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

The thing I will give Wright is that he played well for a good chunk of the season as opposed to just playing limited snaps at the very end of the season and the FO was comfortable enough to give him a fairly big contract extension so I'd imagine they are fairly comfortable with what he could do. At least we have proof that Wright can play, Orr is pretty much a crap shoot at this point. I agree though that another CB wouldn't be a bad thing to have given that Wright had his fair share of struggles in San Diego but I also value a deep secondary quite a bit as you are only as strong as your weakest link back there.

I think there are a fairly large group of people though who still have questions about the CB position as well. I think there are a few people who would not pass on a guy like Hargreaves in the first(just look at the poll above although I know the top 5 are all gone but still) and most mock drafts I have seen on here involve us taking a CB early.

I think you maybe right about the position and the player. The addition of Weddle probably offsets any concerns about size for Hargreaves as Weddle would probably cheat towards Hargreaves in obvious mismatches. Pick progress in the making. Two great hands DB in the same vicinity seems ideal. I don't by the Alexander pick cause he has none. As someone mentioned they noted numerous wobbly ducks were the penchant from QB's that threw his way most often.

I watching the drills now and Hargreaves is representing his skill set as elite in movements. If the challenge is to coach him up to not get beat then I think he would fair well as he is extremely smart and Weddle and company can help until he make the transition. I see honey badger potential all day and all night with Vernon. He's the only pick at six for me currently. There Linebackers that have pick capabilities in the second round. I would like to see a great/good hands team being fielded in conjunction with sure tackling, ergo safety/linebacker (Sua Creavens). I know many may say No. But have players that play the ball and not just the man seemly would produce turnovers.

Edited March 22, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Dewy101]

2 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

The thing I will give Wright is that he played well for a good chunk of the season as opposed to just playing limited snaps at the very end of the season and the FO was comfortable enough to give him a fairly big contract extension so I'd imagine they are fairly comfortable with what he could do. At least we have proof that Wright can play, Orr is pretty much a crap shoot at this point. I agree though that another CB wouldn't be a bad thing to have given that Wright had his fair share of struggles in San Diego but I also value a deep secondary quite a bit as you are only as strong as your weakest link back there.

I think there are a fairly large group of people though who still have questions about the CB position as well. I think there are a few people who would not pass on a guy like Hargreaves in the first(just look at the poll above although I know the top 5 are all gone but still) and most mock drafts I have seen on here involve us taking a CB early.

Wright was a horific player in SD, but he's progressed, I'm still not comfortable with him as a starter as Wright had a 116 passer rating when targeting him. Your logic of adding another player makes no sense. We skip BPA for need, is that what you're suggesting? Of course Ozzie and company would sit on there hands if that player isn't BPA they could care less about position of need. Reaching in the draft is not what they'll be doing. I can see them adding a veteran that gets cut. As of now Orr is the starting ILB. 

Edited March 22, 2016 by Dewy101

[52520Andrew]

54 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

Wright was a horific player in SD, but he's progressed, I'm still not comfortable with him as a starter. 

Well the Ravens are comfortable with him as a starter because they just gave him a big contract so we shouldn't worry about adding another CB to throw your logic back in your face.

As for my actual thoughts, I'll copy and paste it from the very comment you quoted.  "I agree though that another CB wouldn't be a bad thing to have given that Wright had his fair share of struggles in San Diego but I also value a deep secondary quite a bit as you are only as strong as your weakest link back there. " To break that down, I would be fine with another CB for 2 reasons. Reason 1 is because I am not sold on Wright either(wow, we agree) and Reason 2 is because I am not sold on the CB depth in general as Arrington has had his struggles and we sadly lost Tray Walker(R.I.P.)

37 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

 Your logic of adding another player makes no sense. We skip BPA for need, is that what you're suggesting? Of course Ozzie and company would sit on there hands if that player isn't BPA they could care less about position of need. Reaching in the draft is not what they'll be doing.

Where did I say we should avoid BPA? I think BPA is very important, especially with our highest pick since 2000. I have said numerous times on these boards that I don't really care what position we hit as long as it is an impact player. Here might be the part you got tripped up by:  "I think there are a few people who would not pass on a guy like Hargreaves in the first ". I did not say that I was among those who agreed with that logic, I just pointed out that there are people who think that in response to the comment I quoted about the need at CB potentially being overlooked on these boards. 

Personally I wouldn't take Hargreaves unless Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, and Buckner are all gone. Then he would be my BPA. 

45 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

I can see them adding a veteran that gets cut. As of now Orr is the starting ILB. 

If we don't address ILB in the draft then I think we will as well and probably should given that we don't have much depth at the position even if Orr does well this year.

46 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

As of now Orr is the starting ILB. 

Dominique Franks was a starting CB at one point for all that is worth.

I mean all that really says about Orr right now is that he is better than Arthur Brown(not exactly the biggest milestone out there).

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

I think you maybe right about the position and the player. The addition of Weddle probably offsets any concerns about size for Hargreaves as Weddle would probably cheat towards Hargreaves in obvious mismatches. Pick progress in the making. Two great hands DB in the same vicinity seems ideal. I don't by the Alexander pick cause he has none. As someone mentioned they noted numerous wobbly ducks were the penchant from QB's that threw his way most often.

I watching the drills now and Hargreaves is representing his skill set as elite in movements. If the challenge is to coach him up to not get beat then I think he would fair well as he is extremely smart and Weddle and company can help until he make the transition. I see honey badger potential all day and all night with Vernon. He's the only pick at six for me currently. There Linebackers that have pick capabilities in the second round. I would like to see a great/good hands team being fielded in conjunction with sure tackling, ergo safety/linebacker (Sua Creavens). I know many may say No. But have players that play the ball and not just the man seemly would produce turnovers.

The though of us running a 3-3-5 base has become very intriguing to me. Not that i love cravens or anything but I admit if we could work him in as a 3rd safety who covers and plays the run like a LB and even edge rushes on occasion then I'd be excited about a guy like him.

[thieverycorporation]

31 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The though of us running a 3-3-5 base has become very intriguing to me. Not that i love cravens or anything but I admit if we could work him in as a 3rd safety who covers and plays the run like a LB and even edge rushes on occasion then I'd be excited about a guy like him.

I think in certain situations teams have to have some sort of sub package or scheme design that effectively incorporates double duty players. The hallmark of our defense has been shifting towards hybrids with base being stout run defenders. Maybe the new norm is now Passing league type teams mandate speed, technique and sure tackling. But I see D.Smith release as a effort to shift into the aforementioned direction. Smith could tackle but offered no speed nor pass rush. The only concerns we are rush and backend. In a perfect draft J.Smith would have fit the bill. Multiple positional players on both ends of the ball is a template that I'm advocating. I remember your not as high on Cravens but his pick history and tape has me looking long term. Early predictions had him going to the Steelers. Don't know if it still rings true aka Polamalu type. If he's seemingly of that mold I'm all in. But I do understand your reservations. I recommend reading up on these prospects guys/gals and ATHLON SPORTS is at barnes and nobles currently. Good read.

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

I think in certain situations teams have to have some sort of sub package or scheme design that effectively incorporates double duty players. The hallmark of our defense has been shifting towards hybrids with base being stout run defenders. Maybe the new norm is now Passing league type teams mandate speed, technique and sure tackling. But I see D.Smith release as a effort to shift into the aforementioned direction. Smith could tackle but offered no speed nor pass rush. The only concerns we are rush and backend. In a perfect draft J.Smith would have fit the bill. Multiple positional players on both ends of the ball is a template that I'm advocating. I remember your not as high on Cravens but his pick history and tape has me looking long term. Early predictions had him going to the Steelers. Don't know if it still rings true aka Polamalu type. If he's seemingly of that mold I'm all in. But I do understand your reservations. I recommend reading up on these prospects guys/gals and ATHLON SPORTS is at barnes and nobles currently. Good read.

There are a ton of different ways we could go in this draft and unless there is a completely ridiculous reach or if we draft a player at a logjammed position then I'll be happy. If we take Cody Whitehair who I see strictly as a guard and an average one at that, in the 2nd, or a Hunter Henry in the 2nd, then I'll be quite upset, or if we trade back and take a freaking Reggie ragland I'll be furious as well.. But even prospects I'm not big fans of would have me excited, we could take zeke and cravens round 1 and 2 and even though I don't value them personally at that level for us, I'd be excited because of what they bring. I see a lot of unique players in this draft that could bring big change to the team if utilized properly

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The though of us running a 3-3-5 base has become very intriguing to me. Not that i love cravens or anything but I admit if we could work him in as a 3rd safety who covers and plays the run like a LB and even edge rushes on occasion then I'd be excited about a guy like him.

Imagine that but with myles jack in that role. That could be his best position in the pros other than the will. His skill set is exactly what that position requires, as would derron lee. 

[thieverycorporation]

50 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

There are a ton of different ways we could go in this draft and unless there is a completely ridiculous reach or if we draft a player at a logjammed position then I'll be happy. If we take Cody Whitehair who I see strictly as a guard and an average one at that, in the 2nd, or a Hunter Henry in the 2nd, then I'll be quite upset, or if we trade back and take a freaking Reggie ragland I'll be furious as well.. But even prospects I'm not big fans of would have me excited, we could take zeke and cravens round 1 and 2 and even though I don't value them personally at that level for us, I'd be excited because of what they bring. I see a lot of unique players in this draft that could bring big change to the team if utilized properly

I can agree. High/mid level ride the pines aren't what I'm envisioning either. All I know is we can make some strange selections (Cody, A. Brown) in the draft. Sometimes i'm POed after the draft. The truly test of my smoking cessation is in slightly over 30 days lol.

The first three selections need to make sense. And waiting and hoping their guys isn't plucked strategy stinks. I know we won't get them all but waisted draft capital we can't afford. Not looking stupid is also key in this retooling year. I hear rumblings of a Freeney signing maybe in the works. Serviceable which will aid them in not having to settle/reach for lesser. We'll see. 

Edited March 22, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Imagine that but with myles jack in that role. That could be his best position in the pros other than the will. His skill set is exactly what that position requires, as would derron lee. 

He very well could be gone though. Yes being seen as a top 3 value by teams like sd and jax

[Dewy101]

5 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Well the Ravens are comfortable with him as a starter because they just gave him a big contract so we shouldn't worry about adding another CB to throw your logic back in your face.

As for my actual thoughts, I'll copy and paste it from the very comment you quoted.  "I agree though that another CB wouldn't be a bad thing to have given that Wright had his fair share of struggles in San Diego but I also value a deep secondary quite a bit as you are only as strong as your weakest link back there. " To break that down, I would be fine with another CB for 2 reasons. Reason 1 is because I am not sold on Wright either(wow, we agree) and Reason 2 is because I am not sold on the CB depth in general as Arrington has had his struggles and we sadly lost Tray Walker(R.I.P.)

Where did I say we should avoid BPA? I think BPA is very important, especially with our highest pick since 2000. I have said numerous times on these boards that I don't really care what position we hit as long as it is an impact player. Here might be the part you got tripped up by:  "I think there are a few people who would not pass on a guy like Hargreaves in the first ". I did not say that I was among those who agreed with that logic, I just pointed out that there are people who think that in response to the comment I quoted about the need at CB potentially being overlooked on these boards. 

Personally I wouldn't take Hargreaves unless Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, and Buckner are all gone. Then he would be my BPA. 

If we don't address ILB in the draft then I think we will as well and probably should given that we don't have much depth at the position even if Orr does well this year.

Dominique Franks was a starting CB at one point for all that is worth.

I mean all that really says about Orr right now is that he is better than Arthur Brown(not exactly the biggest milestone out there).

A 3 year 13 million dollar contract with 4 million guaranteed isn't a big contract. If you want to play it that way Orr is still on the team, and Daryl isn't so they must be comfortable with what he provides to the team. You basically implied that we shouldn't take BPA because we've stuggled at CB and WR and now we're going to stuggle at ILB. All I'm trying to say is we're not going to address ILB in the draft unless that player is BPA. How many ILBs are you even comfortable drafting and stepping in right away? 

[JoeyFlex5]

after discussing it... I think a great move would be letting go the dream of orr being a starter and employ a S/LB hybrid such as cravens. That could be HUGE with the TEs we face every year. I like the idea of a 335 base package and a 425 nickel with the hybrid guy being the 2nd backer in the 425. 

 

After some thought, it is certainly a way to adapt to the modern nfl, it would be hard for offenses to find mismatches.

[52520Andrew]

3 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

A 3 year 13 million dollar contract with 4 million guaranteed isn't a big contract. 

4.3 mil per year is not 12 mil per but it is not a bad deal either. Wright also played far more significant snaps than Orr and still did well. You have questions about him because he struggled in another system but maybe a change in scenery is all he needed. It wouldn't be the first time that was the case with a player. Orr has not played significant snaps period and is a complete wild card. I have questions about both and have now said a couple times I am not sold on Wright as the #2 CB but I at least know that Wright has played significant snaps at a certain point and didn't look out of place. All we know about Orr is that he is good at special teams. We don't know how he will hold up over all the snaps he would get over the season as a starting ILB.

4 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

If you want to play it that way Orr is still on the team, and Daryl isn't so they must be comfortable with what he provides to the team. 

If Orr had the cap hit Daryl Smith had this might be a valid argument. Considering the Ravens said they would like to have Daryl Smith back however, I imagine they would have brung him back for Orr's salary. And considering Daryl Smith's age and the fact that he struggled towards the end of the season combined with the cap hit, his cut makes sense.

9 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

You basically implied that we shouldn't take BPA because we've stuggled at CB and WR and now we're going to stuggle at ILB. All I'm trying to say is we're not going to address ILB in the draft unless that player is BPA. How many ILBs are you even comfortable drafting and stepping in right away? 

"You think if the Ravens could go back and add a player at either position the past couple years they would sit on their hands again? "

"I get that there won't be value unless Jack is there but there are plenty of other ways to get a player and I would be shocked if we don't at least add someone either through a draft pick or a FA, potentially both. "

This is what I could find specifically on the subject. I think what you are missing is the fact that we can add players in other ways outside the draft either through trades or free agency. My point is not that we should ignore BPA and take Ragland at 6(in fact I would hate this and would not be a huge fan of Lee at 6 either) but that we should not feel comfortable with the position if it is not addressed with an early draft pick. At that point I would probably go out and sign someone to give Orr some competition. 

Also you bring BPA up a lot. If BPA is WR for every single round would you take a WR with each pick? BPA is great but it has it's limits and if I see a good ILB at a value later in the draft I wouldn't be afraid to pull the trigger if they are close enough to the top of the board. Even the Ravens don't do a pure BPA as they stack their board with need taken into account and they reshuffle their board after a certain period in the draft(forget the exact time) to account for who they have picked. I wouldn't be comfortable putting a late round rookie in at ILB by the way.

 

Look, my main point in this whole thing is that I am not comfortable with Orr being the starter with no real competition or our depth at ILB in general if we do not bring someone in. If we are on the same page here then there isn't much to talk about unless you want to discuss Wright or about the importance of BPA.

[thieverycorporation]

47 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

after discussing it... I think a great move would be letting go the dream of orr being a starter and employ a S/LB hybrid such as cravens. That could be HUGE with the TEs we face every year. I like the idea of a 335 base package and a 425 nickel with the hybrid guy being the 2nd backer in the 425. 

 

After some thought, it is certainly a way to adapt to the modern nfl, it would be hard for offenses to find mismatches.

Exactly. The good hands teams employed routinely and with scheme capabilities. Imagine the chaos and confusion that'd have on the teams that have elite receivers. The focal point would be to claim the box and make it a 50/50 shot at a deep completion. The middle is contested via pass rush effectiveness. Turnovers  abate marginal to medium progress and 1st downs. The cerebral players will remain in specific gaps unless a known cue thru tape study of tendencies alters the course. Weddle plays shift commander/reinforced by Webb currently. CJ, commands the middle with a draft pick in tow. We have serviceable stopgaps already on the roster. But do look for Ozzie to get another before or during training camp. Post june cuts have yet to occur. Innovation is always the wave of the future. Soon we may even be trend setters.

Edited March 23, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[thieverycorporation]

A backfield of Weddle/Hargreaves/J.smith/S.Wright/Cravens Hybrid-lb(safety)/Webb and those vying from the current roster and practice squad for the final spot would be a nasty proposition. 

Webb is the wildcard due to injury concern. He should be more durable not less at safety but I'd like an insurance policy.

[Edgar]

Noah Spence. Still my favorite edge rusher and fit for the Baltimore Ravens.

[thieverycorporation]

50 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Noah Spence. Still my favorite edge rusher and fit for the Baltimore Ravens.

Spence doesn't seem like a Ravens pick to me. I see reach with him totally. How does he sneak up from the mid second into the top 6.  That to means teams didn't know he played. Just not sold on the leap. Period. Nice player wrong spot. I think he could be had in the twenties. Trade back consideration only. JMO

Unless you feel he's the steal of the draft.  Boom or bust candidate if I ever saw one. I see bust. he's extremely slow to get around the tackle. The speed of the game and o-line technique is by far greater then his tape displays. No unique moves. Squat, nodda, nil.

Edited March 23, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Maryland]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

after discussing it... I think a great move would be letting go the dream of orr being a starter and employ a S/LB hybrid such as cravens. That could be HUGE with the TEs we face every year. I like the idea of a 335 base package and a 425 nickel with the hybrid guy being the 2nd backer in the 425. 

After some thought, it is certainly a way to adapt to the modern nfl, it would be hard for offenses to find mismatches.

I agree that hybrid S/LBs are the future, but I have to wonder how much Pees embraces this position. It seems like in the past his philosophy has been to stop the run first, which would mean favoring LBs who are stout vs the run and usually slower in coverage as a consequence. 

But Pees is probably a bit more welcoming of change than I give him credit for. 

/and I guess some of my doubt is generated by how Pees could never find a use for Arthur Brown, which probably isn't fair because Brown is a bust who lacks instincts, but physically he is the perfect build for a hybrid S/LB

Edited March 23, 2016 by Maryland

[sflegend89]

Who else is going to be super bummed out if we pick Stanley even though deep down you know it's probably a good pick?

[trevorsteadman]

10 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

4.3 mil per year is not 12 mil per but it is not a bad deal either. Wright also played far more significant snaps than Orr and still did well. You have questions about him because he struggled in another system but maybe a change in scenery is all he needed. It wouldn't be the first time that was the case with a player. Orr has not played significant snaps period and is a complete wild card. I have questions about both and have now said a couple times I am not sold on Wright as the #2 CB but I at least know that Wright has played significant snaps at a certain point and didn't look out of place. All we know about Orr is that he is good at special teams. We don't know how he will hold up over all the snaps he would get over the season as a starting ILB.

If Orr had the cap hit Daryl Smith had this might be a valid argument. Considering the Ravens said they would like to have Daryl Smith back however, I imagine they would have brung him back for Orr's salary. And considering Daryl Smith's age and the fact that he struggled towards the end of the season combined with the cap hit, his cut makes sense.

"You think if the Ravens could go back and add a player at either position the past couple years they would sit on their hands again? "

"I get that there won't be value unless Jack is there but there are plenty of other ways to get a player and I would be shocked if we don't at least add someone either through a draft pick or a FA, potentially both. "

This is what I could find specifically on the subject. I think what you are missing is the fact that we can add players in other ways outside the draft either through trades or free agency. My point is not that we should ignore BPA and take Ragland at 6(in fact I would hate this and would not be a huge fan of Lee at 6 either) but that we should not feel comfortable with the position if it is not addressed with an early draft pick. At that point I would probably go out and sign someone to give Orr some competition. 

Also you bring BPA up a lot. If BPA is WR for every single round would you take a WR with each pick? BPA is great but it has it's limits and if I see a good ILB at a value later in the draft I wouldn't be afraid to pull the trigger if they are close enough to the top of the board. Even the Ravens don't do a pure BPA as they stack their board with need taken into account and they reshuffle their board after a certain period in the draft(forget the exact time) to account for who they have picked. I wouldn't be comfortable putting a late round rookie in at ILB by the way.

 

Look, my main point in this whole thing is that I am not comfortable with Orr being the starter with no real competition or our depth at ILB in general if we do not bring someone in. If we are on the same page here then there isn't much to talk about unless you want to discuss Wright or about the importance of BPA.

When teams talk about BPA I think of the first 2 rounds maybe 3 rounds. If all of those are the same position so be it. After that the players are not significantly better than others that you can just draft to fill holes. It is usually the first two rounds, but there has been a couple of exceptions with like Carl Davis last year. We didn't need another defensive lineman, but that guy was projected late first to mid second and we got him in the third round. I think Orr would be solid at inside linebacker if he was put in for Smith's snaps during the end of the season, but I would rather bring in someone else to challenge for the job. This situation reminds me of when Bynes was our inside linebacker for quite awhile... Honestly it feels like whoever we plug in there they have success just depends on what degree. I think if Myles Jack is there at 6 (which I highly doubt is the case), then we take him depending on who else is on the board. I'm still very confident that the Ravens will bring in an inside linebacker late in the process like we brought in Daryl Smith a couple years ago during the post draft process. I think there are positions with more concern surrounding them than inside linebacker at this time.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, sflegend89 said:

Who else is going to be super bummed out if we pick Stanley even though deep down you know it's probably a good pick?

I'll be bummed and won't think it's a good pick. I'm of the group that believes the rumors about his lack of commitment to football.

[Clmraven]

3 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Who else is going to be super bummed out if we pick Stanley even though deep down you know it's probably a good pick?

I would honestly take Elliott at 6 over Stanley, but even if the big 5 are gone VH3 would be my guy.

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

I would honestly take Elliott at 6 over Stanley, but even if the big 5 are gone VH3 would be my guy.

VH3 would be my 6th guy as well. And another guy who I think would be a reach but I could understand us taking him is Lawson. I'm still iffy on Clemon defensive ends though because of all the pieces they had benefited from each other. But if I were to take a guy from Clemson it would be Lawson.

[Boddiebroadus]

Let's trade up with the Chargers and get exactly who we want. 

[Clmraven]

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

VH3 would be my 6th guy as well. And another guy who I think would be a reach but I could understand us taking him is Lawson. I'm still iffy on Clemon defensive ends though because of all the pieces they had benefited from each other. But if I were to take a guy from Clemson it would be Lawson.

I agree there's a lot of guy who might be reaches that I'd take over Stanley, I'm a big fan of Lawson, I don't really have a top 10 right now but I don't think Stanley would even be in my top 10

[Edgar]

11 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

Spence doesn't seem like a Ravens pick to me. I see reach with him totally. How does he sneak up from the mid second into the top 6.  That to means teams didn't know he played. Just not sold on the leap. Period. Nice player wrong spot. I think he could be had in the twenties. Trade back consideration only. JMO

Unless you feel he's the steal of the draft.  Boom or bust candidate if I ever saw one. I see bust. he's extremely slow to get around the tackle. The speed of the game and o-line technique is by far greater then his tape displays. No unique moves. Squat, nodda, nil.

Spence has very good Initial quickness and pretty good snap anticipation .

he gets the edge AND collapses the pocket which makes him special in this class. he appears to have gotten better at countering and I think he does have a nice rip and swim move.he also has a knack for turning the ball over.

I agree with you that 6 might be a little rich considering his off-field issues and the fact that he does need some work.  still he has tremendous upside and I like him very much as an edge rusher.

 

[Drew P]

40 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

I would honestly take Elliott at 6 over Stanley, but even if the big 5 are gone VH3 would be my guy.

No doubt about it. Please SD take Stanley off the damn board.